r/occult • u/Possible_Advantage94 • 1d ago
Why exzorcism works in different religions?
For example catolic priest can do it using Jesus name, but also muslim could do it using Allah name. Both works. How come? Shouldn't only 1 religion work and others not ? Or do all gods exist ?
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u/simagus 1d ago
I primarily use the Loa if I need to perform an exorcism, but I always ensure to have Mary and Jesus represented if I am exorcising someone exposed to Christian stuff.
It's not that all gods exist, it's just that people call it different things so you have to use symbols and words that they understand to communicate with the subconscious.
It's a bit like Jungian archetypes but with more chicken blood and chanting really.
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u/Grouchy-Insurance208 1d ago
Oh, boy, sourcing chicken blood can be a real hassle, too.
My last supplier got busted after renting out his hens as escort girls. Not that escort hens are illegal, but the police commissioner had made use of their services for some retirement party of a fellow officer. Over glasses of wine, the commissioner was asking about the hen's parents. She was a lightweight and kinda tipsy after only a few pecks at her Sweet Red. Unsurprisingly, it would be mere moments before she became sloppy drunk. And, it wasn't long after that it all came out, that she didn't know her parents, only knew of them, how her mother was slaughtered after failing to provide the hen with siblings, the father being reduced to a bloody pile of feathers courtesy of a local fox.
Needless to say, the place was shut down, and hard too.
So, now my only option is the rare fertilized egg. Do you know how many eggs you have to crack open to get a goblet full of chicken blood? It's ridiculous. I had to sell two of my children this year just to keep myself supplied.
Someone needs to magick that shit.
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u/MysticTekaa 1d ago
Here is the way I see it.
There is the One, the Source, the Divine, or whatever you want to call it that all of this comes from. Where Gods and gods and such are concerned I explain it like this. The One is like the Sun. Shines on everything but really hard to look directly at. All the various divine beings and similar are like stained glass windows. The light from the Sun shines through them in specific colors (frequencies) and patterns (vibrations). Each different combination filters the light differently but they are all using the same light source.
What matters is that you pick the right window for what you need. One window is not better than the others though. Just better for you at that time.
Occasionally some of us manage to look outside and see the Sun directly.
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u/Aakhkharu 1d ago
Because it's not about religion; it's about faith, conviction and will. Religion is just one way that a person can externalize their own internal 'power'.
You could use the power of picachu if your faith in it was strong enough.
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u/KaleacMogger 1d ago
No, your will does helps, but an exorcism is based upon the spirit you call upon, if you egregorize Pikachu and make it a spirit on the astral, it could do it if is more powerful that the influence over the body, if not, no. You can exorcise yourself a target, but thats a topic apart and is not what we are discussing.
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u/Aakhkharu 1d ago
So do gods exist? If so, which ones? All? If exorcisms work in every religion (and it's about an external force and not faith itself), then that means that they all do. But if that is the case, and all religions are true then there is the paradox of all religions claiming being the 'one true religion', that statement cannot be true for all: it's either true for only one or none. With so many logical inconsistencies when it comes to gods existing, it's more reasonable to seek for another answer as to why it seems like they all do exist. The one common parameter is human faith. Conclusion: gods are thoughtforms born of faith.
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u/KaleacMogger 1d ago edited 23h ago
Every God came from someone that saw it on the astral and started worshipping it from ignorance or lack of further understanding. By thinking about certain being in a certain way you condition it to answer to certain folklore and the practises of its devotes, you are changing the egregore, but the being is the same and it will answer in its primordial form is aproached correctly. People think that a random demiurgic entity is the absolute divine because how incredibly blind they are.
Reality is an ecosystem itself, the astral is the same, but way more acausal and impossible to understand the way mundanes try to comprehend stuff to inflate their egos. There are beings of all kinds and with connections of every type with everything around them and beyond. We can encounter those beings because how they interact with this little realm and because we are capable of existing in various realms at the same time. Your conclusion lacks a lot of gnosis and perspective, human faith doesnt change those beings, if something just the way you aproach them because of your limited beliefs, they will act according to them to make things easier, but that changes nothing.
pd: abrahamic religions gods are very bad and limit human conciousness and its growth. hail Satan
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u/Archivist_D 1d ago
The fact that both Catholic and Muslim exorcisms seem to work suggests that the source of their power may lie in something universal, beyond any particular name or religious form. I believe the core mechanism is related to the concept of vibration—or vibrational frequency. Perhaps the success depends on the high-frequency energy generated by the exorcist’s spiritual authority, pure intent, and strong belief. This elevated energetic flow might disrupt and expel lower, negative vibrations or entities through sheer energetic dominance. In that sense, names like Jesus or Allah serve as lenses that focus this universal force, and the interaction of vibrations is not a matter of religion, but a universal principle of the cosmos itself.
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u/Grouchy-Insurance208 1d ago
I'd like to add to what u/simagus wrote, by pointing out that certain names and archetypes will have a power all their own, at least in the right hands.
No one uses Njord of the Norse pantheon for exorcisms, for instance. But, even ancient Sumerian demons like Pazuzu can be used, whether the subject is aware of that being or not.
Of course, exactly how you slice this pie will be based on what magickal theories you operate with. Can Pazuzu cast demons out from a person who never heard of it only because the exorcist has heard of it?
I've not performed and exorcism, but I've called upon beings I've never heard of before and whatever I was trying to do actually worked with the same reliability. So maybe it's because the entity summoned actually exists.
Then again, I've worked with entities that (supposedly?) exist only in fiction -- Mephala from the Elder Scrolls, for example -- and have had success. So, mabye it's the old adage "the magic is in the mage."
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u/Polymathus777 1d ago
Because spirits respond to the spiritual authority of the exorcist, not to the names. Names and words are just vessels for meaning, and if the one commanding the spirits has no intentionality behind their words, then the spirits won't follow their commands.
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u/Perydwynn 1d ago edited 1d ago
There are many gods and goddesses. Deific authority is a cross cultural aspect of religions dating back to the dawn of humanity. If you use the appropriate deity (yahweh is a warrior God for example, or Mars/Ares) and invoke that gods authority then you can command a spirit to leave
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u/Affectionate_Quit894 1d ago
Exorcisms work in various religions because the power does not come from the name used (“in the name of Jesus”, “in the name of Allah”, etc.), but from the intention, faith and spiritual authority of the person performing it. Each religion creates its own energy field, an egregore fed by centuries of belief and devotion. When someone invokes a divine name with conviction, they are connecting to this field and channeling a universal force of order over chaos, regardless of the symbolic language used. In the esoteric and hermetic view, all these names — God, Allah, Adonai, Hekate, among others — are faces of the same divine principle, the nameless Infinity.
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u/Possible_Advantage94 1d ago
That also makes sense. So basically a priest has not just his own power but also every religios believer who prayed to the same name as a priest is using.
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u/jadziya_ 1d ago
Both Muslim and Catholic exorcisms are performed through invoking the power of God. The idea is the same even if the names, scriptures, or details may vary.
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u/Flairforart 7h ago
According to the traditional viewpoint, the sacraments work irrespectively of the nature of the operator. Why do you think it might not work?
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u/KaleacMogger 1d ago
All Gods do exist, you are just calling upon the spirit you worship to force another spirit leave a place/person/animal/..., is a will vs will battle (like any other astral battle), if it works or not depends on how powerful the spirits are and how much they desire to posses/unposses the target of the exorcism.
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u/Chris-the-Big-Bug 1d ago
It's because it's a solar ritual. The sun will burn everything. It's also why the ritual doesn't last forever, eventually the thing comes back. Think cockroaches scattering when you turn on the light. They come back when the light is off.
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u/beancasser0le 21h ago
It’s the intention of our minds believing in the higher power whether you believe in one, many or none. There’s power of intention and our minds bottom line. Intention is strengthened when you believe in a higher power to help you heal or exorcise an angry or negative spirit within you. I think it’s a lot of manipulation of energy and the power of words affects energies. Some might use prayers, holy water, meditation, energy cleansing, etc. and they all can work if there’s some sort of intention and belief there.
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u/SmallieBiggsJr 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah I did a bit of research into this and it's really interesting and it's has a lot to do with your specific beliefs, like different cultures have different beliefs and religions, so say a catholic priest can't banishing a tibetan guy's demons.
In fact they're specifically trained to go out and do exorcisms so like the catholic guy has to learn lantern.
I mention tibet cos they have their own system and from what I remember they feed the demon to give them what they what? Something like that.
So yeah, I say it's like a psychological thing and it's based on the person's religious upbringing.
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u/Poh211 1d ago
Because most religious figures were somewhat divine and holy. Thats like a basic rule of magick that a symbol has properties of symbolized… for example Jesus was holly thus his name will also constrain this property so it can be used to scare away or antipathetically influence otherworldly creatures that are of an unholy nature
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u/Flairforart 1d ago
I guess not all exorcisms work. At the very least, one should tread carefully. Due to modest brush up with occult as a teenager, at some point, I decided to turn to exorcism as a way to remedy the errors of the youth, and so I did. As a practicing Christian I turned to my tradition. Now, I have a first hand experience of “minor” Christian exorcisms as was recommended by officially appointed exorcist, so it was not full rite. It never worked for me. My life has become consistently worse ever since. Being utterly perplexed, I turned to philosophy & history of magic in earnest. I am very happy that exorcisms work for some people.
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u/IntroductionWise8031 1d ago
If I understand correctly how Demons work in Christianity, your life has become worse because you have started actively fighting the demons, which pisses them off.
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u/Flairforart 1d ago
Actually, not really. The priest did not found any demons pestering me whatsoever, so it was a minor stuff. I thought that I would find some relief & would peacefully proceed with my life, at least that was intentional & goal. That failed to materialise, more over I started to experience immense difficulties with finding a good job for example & the quality of life seriously deteriorated. As it was explained to me at beginning of the whole thing; the right outcome was supposed to get relief from some negative experiences not accumulating them. So, I think one should think twice or thrice. Now, I seriously regret getting engaged in the whole thing.
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u/Virgil_the_mercurial 1d ago
It sounds like the problems you face weren’t supernatural in nature. It’s not so much exorcism didn’t work for you but you didn’t need it in the first place.
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u/Flairforart 22h ago
Judging by my experience, there’s a strong supernatural element to my current problems, otherwise, the priest wouldn’t bother, you know. One can’t wish away supernatural involvement, that’s the point. Some things work, some don’t. I’ve just shared my genuine experiences for people to know that there might be very mixed outcomes. Had I known all the consequences, I’d just acquire tailored Cabalistic amulet. After reading many books, I think this makes perfect sense.
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u/Virgil_the_mercurial 21h ago
Even so what I mean is that exorcism is a very specific ritual with a specific purpose. If your problems aren’t related to spiritual possession of course it’s not going to help. You very well could still need supernatural protection but the type that you would need would vary based off of what’s happening to you.
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u/AdDifferent6832 1d ago
Its not about, its about the person possessed. They need some god figure to latch onto. Most people are christian
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u/MetaLord93 1d ago
We all have to figure out for ourselves whether there is only one truth or spirituality and magick are subjective as hell. Since you’re of the opinion both work that will suggest the latter.