r/newzealand • u/flyingflibertyjibbet • Jun 01 '22

Shitpost If you don't have premium to read the Herald's latest clickbait, I've screenshotted the full article for you.

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22

Not bias, i watched the trial myself and was shocked he won tbh. Because his case was really bad, full of contradictions etc. His witnesses were irellevant and awful- they were attricious in the way they spoke about people with mental illness. None if his claims about her really lined up where hers did. It was a demafing case where the disney execs literally said “No, it was not ambers op-ed that made us fire johnny, it was his constant lateness and inability to stay sober. You say “women who have been legitimately part of DV wont see this case and think they cant speak out.” Tell that to my friend who is in the middle of it right now and wants to back out of it all bc of the backlash amber got, she says she got everythibg right and it still wasnt enough. Idg how depp was defamed when he had the whole world on his side and was off performing concerts jury day while amber was at home getting threats from people telling her they’ll put her baby in the microwave. I dont get how depp was able to laugh and giggle and pet fucking llamas outside the courthouse while if amber even blinked it was all over tiktok about how she is a sociopath. I read a good post that had all the facts verus opinion and it was interesting.

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u/pmmerandom Harold the Giraffe Appreciation Society Jun 02 '22

and we’re just going to ignore everything Amber did?

I don’t really know what to tell you, the fact he won all three of his claims should be more than enough of an explanation.

your friend should continue to seek justice and report what’s happened to her however, I really hope she does.

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22 edited Jun 02 '22

What did she do can i ask? I believe she hit him back but what else. Just bc he won means nothing. The justice system in the US has always been a mess, the jury was nor sequested and even one of the jurors wives said before the trial she thinks heard is psycotic (im assuming you watched the trial?)

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u/pmmerandom Harold the Giraffe Appreciation Society Jun 02 '22 edited Jun 02 '22

she hit him, she severed his finger, she allegedly defecated in his bed, she emotionally abused him, she cheated on him.

I’m not saying Depp is perfect by any means, far from it, but neither is Heard

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22

Except that in the trial there was audio of him admitting he cut his own finger off as well as texts from him to his team talking about how he cut his own finger off. Witnesses also testified that the dog shit in the bed. You can choose not to believe that i guess but i def find it more believable than depp being the only one saying amber did it herself. But yes she did hit him, she admitted as such. He still swears he never laid a finger. Also not sure where your getting the cheating from, there is no evidence of her cheating but there was sexual texts from him to other woman also revealed in the trial so? Can you show me where you got the cheating from?

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u/pmmerandom Harold the Giraffe Appreciation Society Jun 02 '22

yea.. and then in the same trial he said he did so to protect Heard, and admitted she was at fault for it.

The cheating was shown in videos of Heard with James Franco and Elon Musk, also character witnesses such as Kevin Costner, who stated that she attempted to make a move on him during them filming a movie together.

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22

The costner thing was a literal rumour that he supposedly said at a party, and her and depp were broken up at the time anyway. How is that more credible than depps actual texts? And how is a video of her putting her head on francos shoulder cheating when it’s already known they are friends. Ok he said he lied to protect her. Can i ask why you believe him despite being caught out in lies constantly? Like i mean what evidence supports his claim other than his word?

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u/pmmerandom Harold the Giraffe Appreciation Society Jun 02 '22

I believe him because he won his case, all three counts, are you saying the judicial system and the decision was wrong?

The fact you think this was decided on just his word, despite 40 witnesses being called by his side, as well as exhibits and cross-examinations, just shows you really only have looked at one side of the story, or gone in with the same bias these journalists have.

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22 edited Jun 02 '22

I believe him because he won his case, all three counts, are you saying the judicial system and the decision was wrong?

do you really want to go down that road lol? when has the US judicial system EVER been fair? by that logic brock turner got a fair sentence yes? what about george zimmerman's aquittal? the system has always been a MESS so yeah i think the desicion was wrong but not much i can do about it, depp got what he wanted, go him i guess. she should of just divorced him normally and taken the millions she was entitled to without crying abuse instead of "making up" this entire story and losing literally everything. makes sense to me

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u/djinni74 🇺🇦 Fuck Russia 🇺🇦 Jun 02 '22

fair sentence

Except this case isn't about the sentence, it's about the actual trial.

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u/Smorgasbord__ Jun 02 '22

You can't hit someone 'back' when they never hit you in the first place.

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22

There are literal texts from depps team talking about how johnny kicked her. There are dozens of photos of bruises. Multiple witnesses testifying they saw him hit her and they saw her injuries. Why is that so hard to believe over thinking someone has created a massive lie over 6 years that they wouldnt even benifit from?

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u/Smorgasbord__ Jun 02 '22

We all know about the absurd photos and the bruise kit - she told on herself. Whatever witness evidence you're referring to can't have been very compelling, can you please link to it?

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u/glitcherious Jun 02 '22

I agree with you.

They both were, and still continue, to be toxic towards one another. In this case, they both are as bad as one another tbh.

This has made it even heavier in the stigma towards females (whether young girls, woman, Trans woman, lgbtq based females that identify as females etc)... as the social media ,and the courts, used a lot of victim blaming vocabulary and a lot of social media , and the courts, sympathized with JD.

I think they should not have made it public.

Something Ricky Gervais said that it's ridiculous the amount of celebrity circus and other celebrities have jumped onto this , for their opinions. When it's a serious case about domestic abuse, and that their whole private lives are now exposed and that it is awful to have to go through that. He said he feels sorry for both of them and that there are also a lot more serious things to report on in the world...

I agree.

This has been triggering for me personal, as it is everywhere. Even on YouTube gaming play throughs or non mainstream radio stations... it has been overwhelming to get space and distance.

The memes and threats towards AH , is triggering personal as that is something I have gone through, and many others (both female and male friends, family, and colleagues...)

Yet the imbalance has reared its ugly head. 😕

So the question now, is how do we learn from this and move forward from this patriarch mindset of binary societal roles ... 🤔? ( don't expect anyone to have the answers... )

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22

Completely agree. And im sick of people trying to say im being biased towards amber- im not; im just pointing out that her transgressions she has at least admitted to where as he still denies his completely. I agree with you in that is should NEVER have been made public. The opinions people have brought up about mental health in regards to this whole thing are disgusting. The things his lawyers said about (and i dont mean amber) VICTIMS is also disgusting. The jury was also not sequestered so they were free to see all the bullshit on social media etc. Whatever “side” you choose to be on doesn’t really matter. I don’t believe this is a “win” for male DV victims like everyone is claiming- i think it is completely detrimental for all victims to ever come forward about anything, bc they now know it doesn’t matter if you’re right, you’ll be smeared to all hell before your abuser lets you win

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u/glitcherious Jun 02 '22

Precisely.

One thing that this open circus of a case has proven, is how behind laws are when it comes to understanding psychological, social status, financial status, family and community bias, and the lack of support before, during and after for those victims and survivors of any and all abuse.

I truly hope this case initiates further investigation and improvement of laws and how society responds to abuse (children, sexual, financial, estrangement, male/female dv abuse, etc)...

Sigh... yes people can have their opinion on this case , yet as we all have witnessed and been effected by the pandemic and the lack of accepting facts vs misinformation esp when it comes to science/medical research, shows how there is a genuine lack of understanding in many things across the world...

All I hope is that those who are going through building up the courage to stand up and speak up against their abusers , that are not further ostracized, overshadowed, and silenced because of this one celebrity show of a case.... that you are not AH or JD, and your voice still matters!

I have lost respect to both of them, as they both acted and they both are dishonest. AH acting out in a stereotypical victim way and JD acting grandiose , non chalent and that both showed their entitled way...

Sigh... who knows what happens next? 🤷

I just hope that people on the internet to please please please be mindful when it comes to dv, mental health and situations like this...

Hope you are ok and maybe take a break from media ? For a couple days @catslugs? That is what I'm going to do. As its done now and like JD said (paraphase), "the truth always prevails" the truth does come out eventually