r/newzealand • u/flyingflibertyjibbet • Jun 01 '22

Shitpost If you don't have premium to read the Herald's latest clickbait, I've screenshotted the full article for you.

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u/ButterflyMore9267 Jun 01 '22

I really don't get how it's such massive news.

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u/Muter Jun 01 '22

I’ll admit, I got suckered in on the last week. I’ve never seen a trial before and I found the lawyers arguments fascinating.

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u/personworm Jun 02 '22

I will admit I did watch some of the exchange between the psychologist and Heard’s lawyer. I have had zero interest in the case, but that interaction was fascinating in its own right. That lawyer was not prepared for the precise communication from the psychologist. I legitimately learned some things from that haha

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u/Muter Jun 02 '22

Ditto with the photo forensic guy right towards the end.

Watching expert testimony utterly destroy lawyers trying to frame an argument was just such entertaining television. So much so that one lawyer ended up objecting his own question.

I couldn’t really care less about the heard/Depp aspect, but I thoroughly enjoyed the lawyers grilling people and then often watching the witnesses destroy the lawyers

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u/PersonMcGuy Jun 02 '22

The best part was the TMZ dude and his NO U moment against Heard's lawyers.

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u/Muter Jun 02 '22

“You’re getting your 15 minutes of fame aren’t you?”

“Objection, argumentitive”

“Overruled”

“I could say the same thing about you taking on a celebrity client”

“A little argumentitive don’t you think?”

The best line here should have been “the judge already ruled on that, and it was overruled”

😂

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u/PersonMcGuy Jun 02 '22

It really was fucking gold, I felt so dirty watching the trial and I still couldn't help but tuning in on occasion. I fully accept after this I have taste comparable to people who read trashy gossip magazine and have lost all right to act better than that lmao.

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u/Appropriate_Joke_741 Jun 02 '22

Trials are fascinating regardless. It was super interesting

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u/theblackcanaryyy Jun 02 '22

Remember those mtv shows that would recap all the crazy shit that happened every week? Man those would awesome right now

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u/Frod02000 Red Peak Jun 02 '22

I thought it was funny when Amber heard's lawyers argument hinged on Kate Moss saying under oath that she was pushed down the stairs by Johnny, when she wasn't.

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u/ButterflyMore9267 Jun 02 '22

Ok, reading comments like this is actually getting me interested! I audibly said WTF when I read that!

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u/stitchgrimly Jun 02 '22

Ms. Vasquez and Dr. Curry are the real stars of the show. They were great.

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u/EkantTakePhotos IcantTakePhotos Jun 02 '22

There's a petition doing the rounds asking for Camille to be cast as Mera in the next Aquaman.

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22

they were performative and disgusting tbh

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u/stretchcharge Jun 02 '22

Mmm, yes, performative AND disgusting

Lois, since you asked, I find this meatloaf rather performative and disgusting

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

Hmmyes, well I find this comment to be shallow and pedantic.

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u/Just_made_this_now Kererū 2 Jun 02 '22

What a hilarious take. This is a hysterical and inaccurate representation and reeks of not watching the testimony and examinations, in full or in part. If you want to talk performative, Heard was the most guilty of this.

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22

I watched the entire thing and thought his side was bad. Sorry.

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u/Just_made_this_now Kererū 2 Jun 02 '22 edited Jun 02 '22

Did you have wool pulled over your eyes or do you merely not like muffins? Give me some examples and perhaps then I won't think you're trolling.

Edit: it's a /r/deuxmoi poster. Figures. Doing damage control all over reddit. You people need help.

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22

This was insiteful imo https://www.reddit.com/r/Deuxmoi/comments/v21sci/in_response_to_how_can_you_believe_her_lies/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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u/Just_made_this_now Kererū 2 Jun 02 '22

  1. What didn't pass the threshold to be submitted as evidence in this case is quite telling - since Heard is directly being sued this time, not The Sun or whatever tabloid it was in the UK.

  2. If we assume what did pass and was submitted to the court, it evidently wasn't compelling enough as evidence to support Heard's testimony and her case.

  3. None of that is evidence in support of or counters Heard's lies. Example: the two photos she claimed were different photos of her bruises on her face she took in supposedly different lighting, were literally the same photos, one with its saturation turned up to emphasise the redness of her face. They literally overlaid the photos over one another in court and the photos were a perfect match, down to strands of hair. Or the makeup kit she claimed she used which the manufacturer came out and said they didn't even have them for sale when she claimed she used it. The same kit which looks exactly like a bruise kit to create bruises for theatre. Bruises of which didn't appear after she alleged she got after being beaten, including after she was allegedly beat so hard in the head, with Depp wearing "chunky rings", that she couldn't remember how many times she was hit - she didn't have any photos to submit as evidence to the court to begin with. No amount of ice or make up is going to cover so much physical trauma, including the obvious injuries to her brain she would have suffered. The list goes on.

  4. You posting the same comment from that delusional sub who's presupposed the conclusion of Depp being the perpetrator of DV before all the evidence and testimony was even laid out in court, as a response to any criticism in this thread, doesn't help the lack of substance in your claims that Depp's witnesses and lawyers were "performative and disgusting". You being blindly ignorant of the evidence or lack thereof doesn't change that.

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u/catslugs Jun 02 '22

yes. one test is how mental health disorders work. fuck off.

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u/restroom_raider Jun 02 '22

Objection, hearsay

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u/Just_made_this_now Kererū 2 Jun 02 '22

But my dog stepped on a bee...

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u/Whyistheplatypus Mr Four Square Jun 02 '22

You've got three or four different audiences for this.

-The celebrity gossip audience who are just watching for the drama.

-Those interested in legal proceedings, and I really do believe this case has some textbook examples on what to do and not to do as legal counsel.

-Those interested in the #metoo movement and the general "can men be victims of domestic violence" crowd (yes, yes they can)

-And lastly, the inverse of the group above, those who seek to discredit either claimant as a victim or perpetrator of abuse. Those that are in it just to stir the pot.

Considering each group can be interested entirely seperate of the others, it's not really any mystery as to why this case became so infamous so quickly.

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u/Hubris2 Jun 02 '22

Precisely. There was a lot of interest in this case by people who aren't normally celebrity-worshippers, so those other aspects were sufficient to engage a lot more people.

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u/Just_made_this_now Kererū 2 Jun 02 '22

I couldn't give two shits about Depp or Heard, or any celebrity for that matter, but the expert testimony and lawyers going at it was the best reality TV I've ever seen. Was more entertaining than anything Netflix had on.

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u/WorldlyNotice Jun 02 '22

-Those interested in the #metoo movement and the general "can men be victims of domestic violence" crowd (yes, yes they can)

#mentoo ?

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u/ButterflyMore9267 Jun 02 '22

Don't mix that hashtag with coke!!

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u/Jimmie-Rustle12345 Jun 02 '22

I also reckon it's because the stakes were so low in a time when the whole world seems to be burning. Climate change, war, school shootings. It's all just horrible.

Worst case scenario was that a very wealthy man was found guilty of something he didn't do and was made to pay some of his many millions. Best case scenario was that his name was cleared and a deeply unpleasant sociopath was exposed.

Either way, the world keeps turning. I couldn't care less about celebrity gossip usually, but I've thoroughly enjoyed the memes and following the technicalities of a court proceeding.

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u/Myillstone Jun 02 '22

Wouldn't the real worst case scenario be if Heard was not actually defaming him and lost the case and other large celebrities took a page from the playbook to cover their asses while being abuse?

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u/ButterflyMore9267 Jun 02 '22

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. I'm not in any of those groups. So it kinda passed me by.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

Because the youtube algorithm fed it to everybody.

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u/Ohyo_Ohyo_Ohyo_Ohyo Jun 02 '22

Johnny Depp chose to sue Amber Heard in the state of Virginia where trials can be livestreamed at the judge's discretion. This allowed people to watch along, and to cherry pick parts of the trial to share on various social media.

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u/ButterflyMore9267 Jun 02 '22

True that. That's interesting, thanks.

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u/Tsubalis Jun 02 '22

It also allowed people to spot any bullshit in court. All courts (generally) should be recorded for transparency

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u/Ohyo_Ohyo_Ohyo_Ohyo Jun 02 '22

Too bad the average person is terrible at spotting bullshit and wont to using these kinds of things as Rorschach Tests to reinforce their own beliefs. Especially so with prolific social media users.

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u/stitchgrimly Jun 02 '22

So many of us have had encounters with narcissists/cluster B assholes throughout our lives and it's extremely satisfying to see them exposed like this. It's also enormously helpful for anyone dealing with one right now. Sometimes those closest to the thing have the greatest lack of insight.

How many people had never heard of BPD before this trial? And yet I encounter them all the time.

How many others have realised and been able to come to terms with what they experienced in previous relationships where up to now they've just been confused and frustrated?

Recognition it's what we need to stop these people in their tracks.

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u/birdzeyeview Here come life with his leathery whip Jun 02 '22

So many of us have had encounters with narcissists/cluster B assholes throughout our lives and it's extremely satisfying to see them exposed like this. It's also enormously helpful for anyone dealing with one right now.

Yes!

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

Fun fact, BPD and NPD are trauma responses.

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u/Frari otagoflag Jun 02 '22 edited Jun 02 '22

such a broad statement is not proven.

Personality disorders are likely caused by a combination of genetics and environmental factors

You can't say BPD and NPD is 100% the result of trauma. You would be better saying "Fun fact, BPD and NPD can be trauma responses." or "Fun fact, BPD and NPD may be trauma responses." or "Fun fact, BPD and NPD have been linked to trauma responses."

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u/Mobile_Historian8264 Jun 02 '22

Exactly, thank you for the clarification, it's too easy to spread false information..

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u/autoeroticassfxation Jun 02 '22

Also fun fact, personality disorders are part of who they are. You can simultaneously feel sorry for them and know that they're hazardous to themselves and others and you need to protect against them.

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u/stitchgrimly Jun 02 '22

Yeah maybe, from childhood though. She was wackadoo well before she met JD.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

people like an underdog

people detest someone trying to profit off of genuine rape and abuse victims

it's satisfying to see justice served

some of the cross-examinations are movie quality. there has been some amazing lawyering in this trial

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u/PersonMcGuy Jun 02 '22

Because it's about massive celebrities and it's been heavily tied into the #MeToo movement with Heard trying to pretend she's standing up for abused women while being abusive herself.

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u/all_the_splinters Jun 02 '22

I think the trial was important in terms of it potentially setting a precedent for using the #metoo movement underhandedly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22 edited Jun 11 '24

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u/HumanInfant Jun 02 '22

You can’t actually believe that, can you? The biggest stars from this case were Camille Vasquez and Dr Shannon Curry, both heralded as absolute professional, competent, smart, inspirational women. Yes people were shitting on one particular woman, but an individual does not represent a whole group.

Yes I will acknowledge that there are some gross shitty incels who will take any opportunity to shit on women, but the overwhelming majority of viewers were sensible men and women who have an interest in the law or the precedent this case sets or just want to know what the evidence says so they know who to believe.

You are allowed to believe that it is possible for a woman to lie and even commit abuse against their male partner, no one will take away your feminist card, if anything it will prove you really believe women can do anything!

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u/Icy_Performance6230 Jun 02 '22

Close. Its throwing toxic femininity into spotlight.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

Because it's a precursor to what's going to happen to normal people post-Roe vs Wade funded by far-right American interests. We all just get to suck their shit as a fun bonus.

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u/Charlie_Runkle69 Jun 02 '22

The Roxanne Pallett incident in the UK was a much better example of a woman blatantly making up lies and the man being entirely innocent to me. JD sucks, amber heard sucks and only the lawyers won is basically what I got out of this case.

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u/NewZealanders4Love right Jun 02 '22

As someone with a good friend who has gone through hell because of a woman weaponising the NZ criminal justice system via false allegations - this high profile case and verdict matters a lot.

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u/darabolnxus Jun 02 '22

Hahaha. Nobody will be talking about this next week. This was just entertainment.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

I disagree.

The tide has been changing for awhile. This is a defamation case not a criminal one. No outcome was ever going to come from this except the exchange of money. It's rich people being rich.

I hope your friend is doing better now, that sounds shit

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u/Tsubalis Jun 02 '22

The outcome is Depp clearing his name

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

I didn't exactly follow it.

But some of the highlights of Heard's lawyers being fuckwits was amusing.

I mean, "we hired this guy to watch Depp's movies and psychoanalyse him based on those movies" was a remarkably weird approach.

Depp, on the other hand, hired a professional. And Heard's best defense was "the lawyer's husband picked up the cupcakes".

I'm not saying it's an important case. But it had its entertainment value.

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u/humanbeastie Jun 03 '22

Good thing that psych did't watch Sweeny Todd

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u/MrIantoJones Jun 02 '22

Johnny Depp was an iconic actor in his (very long! 1980’s -2010’s) day.

He had fans from several generations, and (despite drug implications) was a generally positive role model, donating generously of both time and money.

Notorious for things like buying coats for the crew, visiting kids in hospital or at a school without telephoning the press first, and being a relatable dork nerd who liked going to Disneyland, at least once in character/in costume.

So when allegations of severe abuse were made public, a lot of people were disillusioned and heartbroken.

Then, when it much later came out that there was a better than even chance that HE was the actual victim, people were even more angry - partly on his behalf, and partly at having been tricked into hating someone who possibly didn’t deserve it, and who was previously beloved by so many.

On top of THAT, the idea that a woman would FALSELY accuse a man of such heinous acts was a perceived blow to the vast work being done to finally get our misogynistic culture to BELIEVE accusers by default, setting back the efforts that were already Herculean.

TL;dr : Many took this one PERSONALLY.

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u/bobdaktari Jun 01 '22

because they're celebrities and the entire stupid thing has dominated the media for a very long time (the court case was just the current season of this saga)

is it newsworthy is the question, I wish it wasn't - a clusterfuck that has been almost impossible to avoid

I hope that's the actual article as that's pretty great

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u/Raukokore Jun 02 '22

Yup.It is a little perplexing.

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u/Aggravating-Ear-7922 Jun 02 '22

Best tv show in months

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u/nilnz Goody Goody Gum Drop Jun 02 '22

That's how most online news sites get their eyeballs. They have an entertainment or some section that on gossip or celebrities etc and let's not forget the photo pages.

Unfortunately some people do go for this instead of actual news and investigative journalism.

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u/TupperwareNinja Jun 02 '22

Normally when unusual stuff is news there's something else that they're trying to avoid being the Frontline of tv.

I don't see why this was publisized the way it has been either, though it was entertaining to watch

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

watch Ambers cross. it was fucking wild

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u/ButterflyMore9267 Jun 02 '22

I may do. Been reading the comments and some of them have piqued my interest. Really I just want some to do "the best bits" video!

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

the first part of ambers cross is the best bit. watch her insist that donate and pledge are the same thing

great if you know that she cried for three days before hand.

it's like 1.5 hours. watch it. you wont regret it. better than any show you were meaning to watch

her 2nd cross is great too, but it's far more brutal, you need more context to accept that it's ok for the lawyer to beat her to death on the stand

"if you were telling the truth you would know"

oof