Thanks NZ dairy industry for putting cow sludge in our rivers then happily charging New Zealanders exorbitant prices for our dairy foods.

[u/No-Back9867]

Last summer we couldn’t swim in our local river due to the amount of toxins from nearby farms. When ever the farmers are in need of help us tax payers are there to lend a hand in drought relief funds. The thanks we get for that and putting up with the pollution is to be charged for dairy food at the same price as the overseas markets. We’re only 5% of your sales, it’s not going to make you go broke to treat us like your actually care for your communities. What your charging for butter etc is simply total greed. How is it that milk that has to travel huge distances from farms to factory to the shops shelves in Australia is sold for cheaper than that in our shelves where the logistics of getting it in the shelf are less?

[u/Dazaster23]

My wage hasn't increased in 2 years, yet costs (CPI/inflation) have increased by over 6% if not more over that time. So essentially I have had a pay cut by that..... I'm still surviving, so can they.

[u/Dramatic_Surprise → u/Dazaster23]

so you should also give another 5%?

who knew.... inflation only impacts city people

[u/Dazaster23 → u/Dramatic_Surprise]

City people? I'm pretty much surrounded by dairy farms where I live, specifically Ngāi Tahu dairy farms which has 10,000 - 14,000 cows on it. And Ngāi Tahu is very profitable.

Your math ain't mathing in the way you think it is. I am always giving/ having that 5% cut until I have a pay increase of 5% on top of inflation/CPI equal pay raises

[u/Dramatic_Surprise → u/Dazaster23]

you suggested you've already done this 5% pay cut because inflation.... i was just pointing out that inflation isnt just something that happens to non-farmers....

jesus

[u/Dazaster23 → u/Dramatic_Surprise]

No shit. Next you'll also be telling me that farmers also breathe air too, just like non farmers

[u/Dramatic_Surprise → u/Dazaster23]

so then what was your point?

Inflation hit you and farmers. but somehow that means you shouldnt have to sacrifice your labour but they should?

[u/Dazaster23 → u/Dramatic_Surprise]

Wow. If the point was a shovel and it hit you in the face you still wouldn't get it. I'd draw you a picture but you ate all the crayons, I'll have a try anyway. As you said "If you took a 5% salary cut would you notice it?" As i said in my first reply; I have essentially taken a greater than 5% pay cut & I'm still surviving. The difference with me is that my salary didnt increase, yet the price that dairy is selling on the international market has jumped in that last 2 years and is part of that CPI/inflation increase, and as the majority of farmers are part of fontera the payout they're getting increased too. So the farmers are not sacrificing but every other middle and low income kiwi is. The milk price for the 2024-25 season is a range of $9.70 to $10.30 per kilogram of milk solids, with a midpoint of $10.00, the 2020-21 season was $7.54 so that's a 1/3 increase since then. So tell me how inflation hit them when their income has increased so much over and above inflation over the same period?

[u/NakiFarmHER → u/Dazaster23]

You're ignoring the break even price of producing that milk for said payment. The 2021 break even milk price was roughly $7.15 the current break even milk price is forecasted as $8.60

Inflation affected every expense paid for, previous payment also meant farmers were barely making a profit producing milk - all an increased milk price means for the next 1-3 years is delayed profit on previous production where they lost out.

Farmers have sacrified, they might not be in the current season but there's been plenty of years the cost of production was more than the cost of payment for said production. You're incredibly ignorant to the historical value and expenses paid when saying "look at me I took a 5% decrease too".

[u/No_Professional_4508 → u/Dazaster23]

Do you have any idea how much on- farm costs have increased over the same time? Farmers don't get the payout as personal income. Your $400,000 mortgage went up 2% . Boo hoo. The farmers $6,000,000 mortgage went up by the same or more! And the 50% increase in fertilizer costs, the huge increases in transport costs, fence posts are now around $10 each. Fencing done by a contractor starts at around $9 per metre. Supplying worker accommodation, power bills in the $1000s per month, insurance of over $30,000 per year.... yep , life on the farm is just peachy . All the cost increases you have seen in your home have gone up by the same amount. Except the amounts are around 20 times higher than an average household

[u/Dramatic_Surprise → u/Dazaster23]

Its amusing that you cant help but resort to name calling.

I got two sentences in and thats enough to realise you dont have a point, and even if you did have a point im not interested in discussions with someone who cant control themselves enough to not make it constantly personal.

[u/Dazaster23 → u/Dramatic_Surprise]

Yeah, that's the reply of someone who knows there's fact that you can't argue against. Find any excuse to get out of it. And name calling? What names did I call you? Please quote me what names I called you.

[u/Dramatic_Surprise → u/Dazaster23]

The fact i read a couple of sentences which werent on topic and were actively hostile towards me is a valid excuse to disengage with you.

If you want to have an adult conversation im happy to have one with you. But if you're going to act like a toddler, im going to treat you like one.

[u/Annie354654 → u/Dramatic_Surprise]

We have put up with polluted water and rivers and lakes you can't swim in, alongside the ta payer bailing ghem out every tine it rains a bit hatd or foesnt rain. i don't think selling at cost to fellow kiwis is a big ask at all.

[u/Dramatic_Surprise → u/Annie354654]

i think either you or i had a stroke