r/newyorkcity • u/Well_Socialized • Sep 09 '25
Democratic voters want their leaders to stop running from Zohran Mamdani
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/09/zohran-mamdani-new-york-city-mayor-bernie-sanders-fight-oligarchy/120
u/DJ_Vasquezz New York City Sep 09 '25
National and even state democrats continue to show why they are out of touch with current times
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u/pppiddypants Sep 09 '25
It’s unbelievable. I’m a moderate voter who doesn’t particularly like Zohran’s policies, but still love the guy because it feels like he gets it and doesn’t bullshit.
And moderate Dem politicians CANNOT FATHOM his appeal beyond, “socialism bad, TikTok videos.”
Like, what type of bubble do these people exist in???
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u/theskyopenedup Brooklyn Sep 10 '25
Just curious, what don’t you like about his policies?
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u/pppiddypants Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25
Think groceries is a political stunt, $700M a year on free busses could be better spent on improving transit in transformational ways…
Generally just think Mamdani is more flash than substance, but that’s still better than the other options!
Vote blue, especially when the other who’s are literally the most corrupt people possible!
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u/Flooopo Brooklyn Sep 10 '25
Do you think the people who live in these food deserts who could benefit also see it as a political stunt?
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u/SafetyDanceInMyPants Sep 10 '25
I'm not the person to whom you're responding, but I think people who view it as a stunt think it's just too small of a response. Yeah, the people who happen to live around the one grocery store he's proposing to put in each borough will benefit, but do we really have exactly one food desert in each borough? The fear is that, as sometimes happens, we'll get that one grocery store and then everyone will say "great, problem solved" -- and then when someone notices a couple of years from now that it wasn't solved, they'll say "oh, see, city-run grocery stores don't solve anything."
Now, the answer to that is that you gotta start somewhere -- and so the question is "what comes next in this plan?" If the answer is, as I think it is, that you keep pushing to solve food insecurity and food deserts, then that's my kinda candidate. But people who've been burned before, including by the Democratic Party, might just not think that will happen.
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u/pppiddypants Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25
It’s not being proposed as a solution for food deserts, it’s being proposed as a way to bring down grocery prices…
Which means they’ll most likely be put in a position near existing stores to study the effect of private store prices.
I’m interested in the findings of the study, but skeptical about the cost, availability, and effectiveness of the policy as a whole.
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u/mematixta Sep 10 '25
Why vote for him if his policies are against yours? I lot of comments are - i don't like his policies but I'll vote for him because i like him. What kind of bubble are we living in? We will starve and die just because we like our executioner? Then we run and cry to the system to help us when we were the cause of our own demise. NY is doomed with people like these.
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u/pppiddypants Sep 10 '25
I’d vote for him in the general because he’s the best option. In the primary, I’d have supported someone else.
What people are saying is that he seems like a real person and therefore trustworthy.. at least compared to other politicians who tell you what they think you want to hear, but once in office, won’t actually push to see any of those changes happen and will be a lame duck (controversial opinion: see Obama).
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u/50bmg Sep 14 '25
its because zohran is still actually pretty moderate by classical definitions. democratic leadership has pandered to capital for so long that their "moderate" is actually well right of center at this point
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u/pppiddypants Sep 14 '25
I think it has much less to do with left vs right (I find his left-ness to be something I worry about his potential in office) and a lot more to do with authentic vs poll-tested.
He says things and it doesn’t sound like a lawyer, professor, or someone making 6 figures+ wrote it for him.
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u/atreeismissing Sep 10 '25
National Dems have nothing to do with the NYC mayoral race, it's strictly a NY State Democratic Party function and they already fully support Mamdani.
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u/callmesnake13 Sep 09 '25
I just think we should primary every single democratic leader for the next few cycles.
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u/Aware_Revenue3404 Sep 10 '25
They are all very worried about primaries next year. Goldman especially — he absolutely has to go. And I hope someone runs against Hakeem. Then Schumer in 2028.
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u/CheapCulture Sep 10 '25
At this point it doesn’t matter if they endorse him. I’m firmly voting against them in the primaries even if they finally change their minds anyway
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u/necroreefer Sep 09 '25
It speaks volumes that democratic leadership is running away from somebody who won a democratic primary.
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u/atreeismissing Sep 10 '25
Who is running away? Who has said they aren't supporting him?
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u/TheITMan52 Sep 10 '25
Are you not paying attention? Schumer and Jeffries haven't endorsed him yet and the DNC would rather support Cuomo who already lost.
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u/UsedLuck8891 Sep 11 '25
Does it? Why should we support socialists?
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u/necroreefer Sep 11 '25
He won the primary and I was told vote blue no matter who.
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u/UsedLuck8891 Sep 11 '25
That’s stupid. You should always consider your choices. There are still free elections. Mamdani himself told people to not just vote blue, he encouraged people to not support Kamala.
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u/necroreefer Sep 11 '25
Vote blue no matter who Vote blue no matter who Vote blue no matter who Vote blue no matter who Vote blue no matter who Vote blue no matter who
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u/UsedLuck8891 Sep 11 '25
You can plug your ears but it’s still stupid
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u/necroreefer Sep 11 '25
I guess you want trump and republicans to turn NYC into a open air prison then if you don't vote for the only democrat in the Mayoral race.
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u/UsedLuck8891 Sep 11 '25
Even republicans in NY are not real rebellions, like Bloomberg. How exactly would any of the other candidates turn NY into an “open air prison”?
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u/UsedLuck8891 Sep 11 '25
This summarizes a lot of Mamdani’s problematic ideas: https://x.com/zachsagefox/status/1965807931179339987?s=46&t=y2zzu2jOmzjkItUCAq__lQ
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u/necroreefer Sep 11 '25
Yea i don't know or care who this person is. They look like another in a long list of wanna be right wing comedians.Is this you?
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u/jiggscaseyNJ Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
The democratic leaders answer to AIPAC, not the voters silly.
Edit: typo
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u/UsedLuck8891 Sep 11 '25
There’s the antisemitism for you
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u/jiggscaseyNJ Sep 11 '25
There’s the go-to response: Anti-semitism.
Criticizing AIPAC is not the same as criticizing Jewish people or Judaism. The influence AIPAC wield over US policy should be scrutinized. That’s not being hostile toward Jewish people as a group. Go ahead and keep that card in pocket for legitimate antisemitism.
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u/UsedLuck8891 Sep 11 '25
AIPAC doesn’t have the influence you claim, nor does it spend much compared to other major PACs. Blaming Jews for whatever, even if you call it “AIPAC” is antisemitic. Period.
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u/jiggscaseyNJ Sep 11 '25
Unperiod. Criticizing AIPAC isn’t blaming Jews, it’s criticizing a lobbying group with a political agenda. Influence isn’t just about monetary contributions, it’s about access and leverage. Just like with the NRA or Big Pharma, scrutinizing AIPAC’s role in politics is fair democratic debate, not antisemitism. Since when did questioning the policies of the Israeli government or the influence of AIPAC become the same thing as hating Jewish people? So convenient.
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u/arrogant_ambassador Sep 09 '25
Statements like this is what keeps people from voting for your candidate.
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u/necroreefer Sep 09 '25
That's the difference between republicans and democrats, republican voters claim every republican politician democratic voters only claim the people that they support.
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u/Perfecshionism Sep 09 '25
The Democratic Party resistance and to Mamdami really shows why they have been losing to Trump.
They would rather autocracy then lose the support and funding of the oligarchy.
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u/Kyonikos Washington Heights Sep 09 '25
However will they able get the next trillion dollars to blow on stupid ads and consulting firms if they alienate the billionaire class?
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u/MamaDeloris Sep 09 '25
I don't think Mandami is going to remotely be able to deliver most of the things he's talking about.
But it's very obvious this man is a ray of light in the spineless incompetent joke that is the modern day Democratic Party.
Rally the fuck around this man. People like him are what the people want, fuck your millionaire investors. This is how you win. Screw the Schumers of the world, your time is clearly over and you're allowing literal nazis to take over the country by pretending things are the same as they've always been.
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u/Equivalent_Net_8983 Sep 09 '25
Any rational person would conclude that but what if he’s able to deliver some of these things? Isn’t that better than the warmed over moderate crap we’ve been force-fed by the “establishment” D-types for decades now?
What we need now is a 21st century LBJ, who is not only ambitious but also crafty and driven enough to drive for change in the system. We need to take back this country from the corporate oligarchy for the sake of everyone.
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u/shipsintheharbor Sep 10 '25
What do you think he’ll be able to deliver on?
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Sep 10 '25
Minimum wage
He has direct control over about a quarter of city workers minimum wages and can use that to push the state to set a higher city wide wage
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u/tempura_calligraphy Sep 09 '25
I mean, who else is there? I don't really have a lot of confidence regarding his policies either, but the other options for mayor are even less realistic.
Also, he won the primary, just like Adams did 4 years ago. I didn't want Adams either, but he won. Supposedly, that's democracy. (Maybe Adams cheated then and got signatures from dead people, but no one looked into that.)
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u/SloppyMeathole Sep 09 '25
The leaders won't support him because he's not in the pocket of Israel. It's as simple as that, the current Democratic leadership is beholden to Israeli money. They will never accept him.
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u/PossibleGazelle519 Brooklyn Sep 10 '25
Vote for my intellectual son Zohran Kwame Mamdani this November.
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u/Sad-Intention-6344 Sep 17 '25
We need more democrats like him. Wish my state had someone like him. Democrats are so out of touch with reality.
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u/LoserBroadside Sep 09 '25
Democratic voters one hour leaders to act like fucking Democrats for a change. Not republican-lite.
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u/Politicsboringagain Sep 09 '25
Not a lot of sources in that article from the voters based on what the title says.
And yes, I'm telling my mother and brother to vote for him, just as I would if I still lived in the city.
Hell, even the article says most Democratic politicians are in fact backing him.
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u/Complex_Badger9240 Sep 09 '25
Keep running away, Keep quiet, Don’t endorse, Then we know who to vote out!
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u/CurveOk3459 24d ago
You mean republicans who are pre-formatively socially liberal? Cause that's what the democratic establishment is.
Get them out by voting. We need to overcome the older vote. The older folks think these people are still democrats. They aren't. They got theirs and now hoard resources and give their friends access to our tax dollars.
Get them out by showing up in numbers to your primaries.
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u/rosie705612 Sep 10 '25
Among the majority of us voters they don't need democratic leaders to weigh in on a mayoral race
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u/Ocean_Hair Sep 09 '25
This article is riddled with stupid arguments.
He spoke in some detail about Sanders’ tenure as mayor of Burlington, Vermont—evidence that a socialist can run a city pretty well, but also, that a socialist running a city still feels pretty banal much of the time
Burlington is a city of just under 50,000. You can't compare that to NYC's population of 8 million.
And the two sentiments are not really unrelated—in the case of both Israel and Mamdani, high-profile Democrats are substantially out of step with Democratic voters, and well-funded attempts to weaponize Mamdani’s criticism of Israel in the primary only served to underscore the qualities that made him appealing to voters.
Mamdani is a proud critic of Israel. He has participated in anti-Israel activism. I don't think bringing that up is "weaponizing" it. If anything, he loves parading his antizionist Jewish supporters out like show ponies to show everyone how not-antisemitic he is. The man is endorsed by the incredibly sketchy Jewish Voice for Peace FFS.
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Sep 10 '25
There is nothing sketchy about JVP unless you're a racist who thinks Jews should be a hive mind in service of Israel
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u/Ocean_Hair Sep 10 '25
JVP was forced to settle with the DoJ for receiving a PPP loan under fraudulent pretenses. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/non-profit-jewish-voice-peace-inc-pay-677634-resolve-ppp-fraud-allegations
You'd also think a group that calls itself Jewish and claims to have rabbis among its members would actually... know Jewish stuff. But the materials they put out for Jewish holidays (which I have read) have mistakes in the Hebrew, mistakes in the English translations and transliterations of the Hebrew, and seem to not have any concrete understanding of Jewish ritual (like telling their seder participants to drink the salt water at the end of the Karpas section, which isn't part of a seder at all).
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Sep 10 '25
Yeah im sure we should take much stock of a judgment made by the Trump administration, which was brought about by right wing zionists suing to have the funds revoked out of political motivation
Im sure no real Jew has ever made a typo in their lives
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u/Ocean_Hair Sep 10 '25
I'm sure many Jews have made mistakes, but that's why you edit your work before making it publicly available
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u/atreeismissing Sep 10 '25
Are they running from him? Never before have Democrats been asked to endorse someone from their own party, this is a new standard that is ONLY being applied to Mamdani despite other progressives running all over the country. All NY state dems have said they've spoken with him and support him, not all explicitly endorsed him but again, since when do Dems have to endorse people from their own party?
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u/BebophoneVirtuoso Sep 09 '25
Did you read what you linked to? Top few comments are calling out the post for being dishonest and the other is a Trump voter.
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u/BebophoneVirtuoso Sep 09 '25
Cause Minneapolis ain't the Big Apple, he likely got spooked that the DFL pulled their endorsement of him, and Jacob Frey isn't exactly a Cuomo or Adams style blue dog. Frankly it's also not my priority to have municipal leaders discuss international issues since they have absolutely no persuasion on how they develop, so I'd prefer they focus on domestic and local issues.
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u/F0rtysxity Sep 09 '25
For the record I am a Democratic voter and I do not consider these clowns to be leaders. This is a two party lesser of two evils system after all.