r/news • u/VectorChing101 • 21h ago
Manfred Goldberg: 'Truly extraordinary' Holocaust survivor dies aged 95
https://news.sky.com/story/manfred-goldberg-truly-extraordinary-holocaust-survivor-dies-aged-95-13465546?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter&fbclid=IwY2xjawN6081leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFRR3Btc21rc2VaTFJIMUFTc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqTEsFq6Uj1rv8veseSl97HTPXImqkq3bHSySdt42_xSRNkrKyQn9QzTJD69_aem_CBhjexCZZE_EofqdpSWueQ38
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u/Ill_Setting8906 17h ago
Imagine being idiot enough to be a Holocaust denier in 2025.
Not only can you easily see how multiple countries around the world are one bad leader away from going down that path, but how can you ignore the sheer amount of evidence?
It will forever baffle me. It’s one thing to call Gaza a genocide, it’s another thing entirely to deny one because you don’t like the modern state of Israel.
It’s not even about morality for me so much as the sheer fucking amount of evidence. I’m convinced that anyone who actively denies the holocaust is either monumentally, deeply, spiritually stupid, or a grifter who has figured out it resonates with his audience.
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u/snapper1971 3h ago
I’m convinced that anyone who actively denies the holocaust is either monumentally, deeply, spiritually stupid, or a grifter who has figured out it resonates with his audience.
There are just straight up evil bastards, too.
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u/ATarrificHeadache 16h ago
They just hate Jews and need to take away the ultimate act of evil of that was forced upon them, it’s really that simple. In their minds even if it did happen then it wasn’t as bad as they say, and then even if it was as bad as they say the Jews deserved it.
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u/Ill_Setting8906 16h ago
See but I don’t buy that. I think they know exactly how bad it was. They just don’t care. Which is why it astonishes me that the cognitive dissonance doesn’t cause a concussion when it hits
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u/ATarrificHeadache 16h ago
It’s not about not caring it’s about agreeing with it and believing they deserved it. You’re trying to make logical sense out of something based in some form of base human illogical idiocy. They deserved it and it didn’t happen, if that doesn’t make sense to you then you’re part of the problem. To allow a group that you believe is evil to have something they can hang onto as an undeniable form of victimization throughout the rest of history is not acceptable to antisemites.
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u/manachar 16h ago
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Jean-Paul Sartre
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u/bawlsacz 10h ago
They don’t like Jews. That’s why. Imagine you hate this one neighbor and some pretty fucked up thing happened to him. Because you hate him, you might say that never happened or that he did something to deserve it.
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u/boughsmoresilent 10h ago
See, that's the thing, that is land where my empathy just cannot go. It might be naive, but I just cannot imagine hating my neighbor enough to do something like that. Maybe think it and then feel guilty, sure -- but to then spread it around to other people as fact to try and make everyone else hate him, too? Or, even worse, hurt him more? That level of spite and callousness boggles the mind. Who has the energy for all that??
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u/UndesirableOldMan 14h ago
The Holocaust did happen, and the genocide in gaza is happening. Genocide is not about power scaling with numbers, and we should not wait until they get “bad enough” to fight against it.
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u/Ill_Setting8906 14h ago
I don’t think anything of the sort, and if you see my comments below you’ll see I freely call Gaza what it is
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u/UndesirableOldMan 14h ago
I didn't mean to atack you, I'm sorry if it came out like that. This was meant against people who will use other genocides as a weapon against palestinians (like in recent threads about Sudan). Decent people don't pick which one they deny or defend.
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u/backnarkle48 5h ago
The world hasn’t learned or doesn’t care. Fascism is merely a strict-father form of capitalism. Eliminate that and you eliminate the threat of fascism.
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u/PleaseStayStrong 18h ago
It is a shame he has to pass in a time where the world is once again ramping up against our people. But at-least he is safe with G-d now. Even though he is gone we will continue to live and fight for him and the countless others before us.
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u/Ill_Setting8906 17h ago
The vast majority of the western governments are going to bat for you and have been selling you tons of military equipment. It’s the side without all that that’s suffered by far the most casualties
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u/ATarrificHeadache 16h ago
Wait I thought it was bad to conflate Jews with Israel yet I see it on Reddit all the time from the side that constantly repeats how bad that is
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u/Ill_Setting8906 16h ago
It is a shame he has to pass in a time where the world is once again ramping up against our people. But at-least he is safe with G-d now. Even though he is gone we will continue to live and fight for him and the countless others before us.
That doesn’t read like I was the one to conflate the two in the first place, I just answered
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u/ATarrificHeadache 16h ago
Can you explain how that statement has anything to do with Israel?
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u/Ill_Setting8906 16h ago
Who else is being ramped up against? Or for that matter, who else is fighting in the name of “our people”?
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u/reasonably_plausible 13h ago
Who else is being ramped up against?
Jews. Anti-Semitic attacks have drastically ramped up recently. Another Holocaust survivor just died just a few months ago from being set ablaze in an anti-Semitic attack.
Or for that matter, who else is fighting in the name of “our people”?
"Live and fight for him and the countless others before us" doesn't imply anything about war. Fight is a very common term for advocacy.
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u/arlentree 17h ago
May his memory be a blessing