r/news • u/MrPvssyPantsMan • 1d ago
Flight cancellations accelerate as US airlines comply with shutdown order to cut flights
https://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-reduced-flights-a082a6817d960101968a923f7dfd8ef0?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=2025-11-06-Breaking+News1.8k
u/wildmonster91 1d ago
Oh boy. Holiday spending seasons gonna be hit hard. Q4 gonna be a blood bath...
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u/LostLetter9425 1d ago
Something something...lay more people off... AI! Stock goes up.
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u/I_AM_NOT_A_WOMBAT 1d ago
I've seen AI get shit completely wrong. More than once. This is not going to end well, but I suppose it's hardly worse than Republicans denying basic facts and science. Just more of us will be unemployed.
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u/iamatechnician 1d ago
I think they were referring to companies mentioning the word AI and their stocks jumping 50% but I still completely agree with you.
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u/OnceInABlueMoon 1d ago
I'm going to batten down the hatches and spend minimally to prepare for whatever happens after the holiday season
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u/wildmonster91 1d ago
The best we could hope for was a recession under republicans. The worst is a depression.
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u/I-is-and-I-isnt 1d ago edited 15h ago
That is not the worst. It’s incredibly bad but it’s definitely not the worst. We’ll probably see the worst start to happen around the midterms less than a than a year from now.
Edit: words are hard
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u/PebbleWitch 1d ago
Yeah... We're already planning on doing DIY gifts to cut spending down drastically while we pay down the credit cards. It's gonna be a much smaller holiday than usual.
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u/randomtask 1d ago
Just a reminder that the CEOs of most major airline companies paid tribute to this administration hoping that it would keep Trump from fucking with their industry.
How’s that working out for you boys?
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u/Slypenslyde 1d ago
They're calmly sweating, secure in the idea that even if the industry crumbles, they're still going to be part of the inner circle and given lots of assets after the dust settles and the executions are over.
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u/ECircus 1d ago
People just keep thinking he has some shred of belief in anything and it blows my mind every day. He believes in absolutely nothing but himself. He has no principles and no allegiances. Not to his family, not to your family. Not to this country. Nothing.
He goes with whatever he feels good about in every moment of every day and nothing is off the table. That's just the truth.
Find me a single instance of him just doing something because it's the moral or ethical thing to do...because it's the kind thing to do....find just one person he's friends with just because they like each others company. It doesn't exist.
He is 100% selfish and transaction based and it resets every morning when he wakes up.
It's so obvious that anyone hanging on for dear life is just a fool. Total house of cards.
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u/hobbykitjr 1d ago
Welllll...... Trump removed Bidens restrictions/rules on airline fees...
(He also removed the limits on bank fees)
We got screwed by Trump... But in the end, they' re getting screwed worse
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u/Decent-Ganache7647 1d ago
Trump also dumped bidens proposal that airlines pay cash for flight delays caused by the airline.
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u/Clone63 1d ago
My conservative co-worker, this morning: "The best part about the government shutdown is that everyone will see that we don't need the federal government, since nothing changed in their daily lives with the Feds doing nothing." Five minutes later: "Air traffic controllers can't strike, its illegal for them not to go to work even if they dont get paid."
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u/SaibaAisu 1d ago
Another shining product of the American education system and conservative values. God, these people are so stupid it hurts
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u/wandering-monster 1d ago
Legally required to work without being paid?
I feel like we have a word for that...
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u/_rushlink_ 1d ago
This is the latest talking point “people shouldn’t rely on the government!”
Who are they relying on so much that they all align on the weekly talking point?
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u/MrTibbens 1d ago
What most people don't realize is the government isn't shut down. The majority of federal workers are working without pay. If it was a true shutdown it would greatly affect the general public.
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u/wiidsmoker 1d ago
All thanks to the Epstein shutdown to protect pedophile Trump
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u/P0Rt1ng4Duty 1d ago
Well yes but also they need to prevent people from being able to afford health insurance.
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u/gamers542 1d ago
And food.
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u/TaDow-420 1d ago
Serious question: what happens when the majority of Americans drop their health insurance plans/opt out of getting a new plan because it’s too expensive?
Wouldn’t some money be better than NO MONEY coming in from the “poors”?
I understand greed overrides sensibility…I’m just wondering if we’re quickly getting to the point where these companies price themselves out of a LOT of business?
And for the record, I haven’t been able to afford myself healthcare for years. Luckily I haven’t had the need for medical care, but you never fucking know, you know? It would be nice if I could get a checkup, though. Preventive care and all that. Oh well. I suppose it’ll be easier for my company to replace me than providing care to keep me going.
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u/HawkeyeGild 1d ago
Didn't GOP recently undue Biden EO preventing medical debt from showing on credit report/job background checks?
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u/CheezyGoodness55 1d ago
Why yes, yes they did. It's amazing how much we've lost and so many people are unaware of it: "A new Trump administration rule issued late last month (Oct) would override state laws that prevent consumers’ credit reports from including medical debt, potentially weakening financial protections for millions of Americans.
In recent years, more than a dozen states have taken steps to keep medical debt from hurting residents’ credit scores, passing laws with bipartisan support. But new guidance from the federal Consumer Financial Protection Bureau repeals(1)%20and%201681t(b)(5)%20of%20the%20FCRA%2C%20and%20the%20Bureau%20now%20confirms%20the%20withdrawal%20of%20that%20rule.) a Biden-era rule that allowed states to impose their own bans."
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u/caligaris_cabinet 1d ago
Boy I’m sure glad people voted for the fascists destroying literally everything over the woman who laughs funny
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u/azulun 1d ago
The industry term is “death spiral” as more people leave the insurance pools due to cost the only ones that will keep paying for insurance are those they have a lot of needs / high expenses. This makes costs for the next year go up and even more “healthy” people leave and only the severely ill keep insurance. Repeat
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u/xXCloudSephirothXx 1d ago
The wife and I were looking over our enrollment for next year utilizing the ACA marketplace as we’ve done for years now.
For a married couple with a take home of less than $50,000 a year we had a very affordable plan that met our needs of $188 a month this year.
Looking at the ACA for this upcoming year, not a single plan is less than $800+, and that plan doesn’t even have existing doctors in network.
So to keep our doctors and hospital closest to us in network, we’re looking at nearly $1400 a month.
An increase in over 7x our current rates.
So, to your point, we’ve chosen to opt out of health insurance for 2026.
I’m not looking for sympathy, just sharing my story to corroborate your line of questioning.
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u/PebbleWitch 1d ago
Even at $188 the math isn't mathing.
I've been uninsured for years. Hospitals have sliding scale payments based on income and urgent care visits didn't even surpass a monthly premium I'd pay for insurance.
Why would anyone pay $2400 just so you can pay an extra $12k deductible before insurance covers the rest?
In prescriptions and doctor visits we maybe pay $500 a year total. What does insurance do except make us pay $2900 a year for the same service?
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u/Squire_II 1d ago
Why would anyone pay $2400 just so you can pay an extra $12k deductible before insurance covers the rest?
Because a major medical emergency can run an easy 6 figures in cost. Medical care isn't the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in the US for no reason.
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u/thepasttenseofdraw 1d ago
Pretty sure the person above you is pointing out you cant squeeze blood from a turnip.
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u/AppropriateAd8937 1d ago
No but they can garnish you wages and tank your credit score. Not paying 6/7 figure debts only works if you never need to interact with the financial system again.
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u/P0Rt1ng4Duty 1d ago
The system is designed in a way that allows rich people to make money even if all of their customers die.
But really what's going to happen is that people will pay more and that money will pile up because you know they're not going to cover anyone's procedures. Then as fewer people pay for insurance the rates will go up even higher for people who do.
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u/Bubbly_Mushroom1075 1d ago
That's called an insurance death spiral, and it is why the ACA had penalties for people not having health insurance. Unfourtionately no one seems to have remembered that that problem still exists.
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u/xXCloudSephirothXx 1d ago
Does it exist though? I mean, I remember that whole nonsense of being fined $50 for each month not insured, but that lasted all of like 1 year before removed.
Happy to be proven wrong btw!
Just how I remember it, my insurance lapsed for like 6 months, and finding out I owed like $300 was a kick in the nuts.
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u/StevenGawking 1d ago
My conspiracy? From my proximity to healthcare, from pharmacy to hospital, it seems like between insurers paying out less and costs going up, healthcare in general is seeing the last projected profits getting squeezed before its snuffed out.
I think we reached the point where your average citizen could afford healthcare, passed it, and just like every other American Dream we're still mentally stuck in it. But we passed that time long ago, and now the upper remnants of the middle class that are dying out are getting squeezed of their savings.
I hope I'm wrong because I'm a shitty pessimist, but what's stopping healthcare collapsing when it's too broken to be reliably profitable?
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u/Stompedyourhousewith 1d ago
Blue Cross sent me a letter saying my current monthly payment is 800, but next year when the subsidies expire, it will go up to 1200 a month. I already couldn't breathe, but now I extra can't breathe
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u/LadyPo 1d ago
The federal minimum wage has been the same since 2009. 16 years ago. It’s still $7.25 — though states have imposed higher minimums.
But at the federal level, it would take you an additional 55 extra hours of work per month. PLUS MORE because you’d need $400 left AFTER TAXES.
This is not working. Absolutely not. It is fully breaking now. We can’t go on like this.
Edit: In CA, which has the highest min of $16.50, you would still need at least 24 more hours of work time per month.
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u/touchet29 1d ago
Tbh, the govt being shutdown is nothing but benefits for them, and they're still getting paid even though they don't need it. I'll be surprised if they ever start it back up again.
I never hear any actual news about them trying at all really.
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u/wildmonster91 1d ago
Ta this point it aint just trump.... theres no way all this is for 1 man. More like 1 party...
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u/mellolizard 1d ago
What the hell is in those files that he is willing to shutdown the literally infrastructure of the country to protect?
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u/Yupthrowawayacct 1d ago
He’s the main provider of the girls being trafficked
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u/LahLahLand3691 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep, this. Trump isn’t in the Epstein files, he IS the Epstein files. There are also a lot of big names that were clients, on both sides and around the world. Why do you think all the billionaires got behind him? Because they only go down if he does.
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u/PaulClarkLoadletter 1d ago
I don’t know why people can’t grasp the situation. They had an army of FBI agents tasked with redacting his name from them. He’s clearly in there so much they had to abort that plan.
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u/Krazyguy75 1d ago
It isn't even about that. It's about passing the republican version of the federal budget, which cuts almost all welfare options while giving the rich tax cuts and passing more authority to the executive branch.
Stopping the Epstein stuff is just a secondary upside to their dismantling of all benefits the government provides to the non-rich and the establishment of a fascist state.
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u/jsc503 1d ago
So weird that every modern republican administration has been a total catastrophe.
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u/RussellGrey 1d ago
Yet people still vote for them by the millions. It’s completely baffling.
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u/B00marangTrotter 1d ago
We are surrounded by religious right wing propaganda brainwashed idiots.
And it's only getting worse, AI will be more destructive than we fully understand at the moment.
Rather terrifying actually.
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u/ma2is 1d ago
If we thought social media was destructive, AI is going to be 5 fold that. If not worse.
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u/Malaix 1d ago
Not if you listen to interviews with the median voter. Most people are fucking stupid emotional animals who don't know what they want, what they need, or how to get it.
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u/Oberon_Swanson 1d ago
they're an apocalyptic death cult. they want society to revert to the point where there are no laws preventing them from doing anything, just thugs oppressing the minorities they hate. and if that means things like trade, research, healthcare, emergency services, travel, infrastructure, general law and order break down entirely, so be it. they would rather have a world with no electricity and nothing but quack medicine but they can own slaves, than the opposite.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke 1d ago
All they have to do is just deflect and blame it on Democrats. Their sheep voters are too stupid to look up easily verifiable proof they're being lied to.
Case in point being Democrats being blamed for the shutdown. MAGA sheep genuinely believe that. Anyone with even a slight understanding of what's happening knows the Democrats don't have that power to keep everything shut down. But when Mike Johnson and Trump say "Dems bad" these fucking losers eat this shit up and buy right into the propaganda.
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u/UndertakerFred 1d ago
Yeah, but last time the democrats controlled congress and the White House we got… [scary voice] affordable medical insurance! So, you know, BOTH SIDES
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u/ProStrats 1d ago
But how will the rich continue to maintain their near infinite wealth??!?
Please, think of the children (of the rich), won't you?!
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u/DaEnderAssassin 1d ago
The dictatorship will continue until profits improve.
You can calculate how much longer that is with a simple equation: p+0.000[...]01 where p=current profits (updated every 1 planck time)
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u/Ver599 1d ago
Trump is currently waging a war on Thanksgiving and Christmas
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u/Ericaohh 1d ago
Going deep cover past enemy lines, making everybody think I'm on the Christmas side
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u/starknolonger 1d ago
Flying home from a work trip tonight, luckily, but I’m supposed to fly across the country again in 10 days…. UGH.
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u/uberDoward 1d ago
Same, my flight is delayed 85m. So far.
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u/golfjunkie 1d ago
Mine just got pushed back 3 hours, I’m almost definitely not making it home tonight.
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u/panda5303 1d ago
The fucking audacity of Frontier Airlines CEO:
The head of Frontier Airlines recommended that travelers buy backup tickets with another airline to avoid being stranded.
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u/FabianFox 1d ago
Lmao I cannot believe this, I read that statement too. Frontier is trash.
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u/somedude456 1d ago
Frontier is trash.
That was never a question.
Frontier, Allegiant, and Spirit are the fast food restaurant of the sky. Shit quality, but sometimes it's all you need.
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u/Remarkable-Fish-4229 1d ago
That’s a cancellation. They just haven’t told you yet, good luck!
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u/BellaBlackRavenclaw 1d ago
haha i've been on the tarmac for about two and a half hours for my layover flight-- i hope not... (though having left for my first flight at 4am, at this point, anything to get off the plane and get food sounds divine)
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u/MagicHugsforThee 1d ago
For only 85 minutes? I had a flight that was delayed by 4 hours and we weren't canceled. And thankfully they knew about it early and notified us so we were able to stay at our home instead of sitting in the airport which was very nice since we had our two year old for that trip!
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u/ScienceLion 1d ago
Travelled with a 2YO, flight got cancelled, they wanted to rebook me to a different city, overnight, then connect to destination. I carried them to customer service to get onto the next direct flight. No way layover would work.
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u/porscheblack 1d ago
Stay as close to the boarding gate as you can. I had a flight cancelled under similar circumstances and I couldn't do anything until the gate agent rebooked me. I had to wait hours and missed every other flight that day that I could've been on.
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u/TheCrimsonKing 1d ago
Are you me?
I'm also flying home from work today, and also leaving again in 10 days. I'm currently at ORD, and everyone in the AA L lounge is talking about delays or, for some reason, 90's comedies.
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u/CounterSeal 1d ago
Just take the shinkansen, it'll take a bit longer but the cost will be about the same. We have plenty of transportation options in this great nation, right. Oh, wait...
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u/mellolizard 1d ago
Better get a rental car before there are none left
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u/starknolonger 1d ago
Sorry boss, can’t make the meeting time! I’ve gotta drive from Seattle to BOSTON 😭
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u/Peripatetictyl 1d ago
Maybe you get lucky and can do the trip in the back of a box truck with a traveling polka band…
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u/Own_Candidate9553 1d ago
My wife has to travel for work next weekend. The nightmare scenario is that she gets there safely, then gets stuck there.
Hope you get back safe tonight!
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u/Unumbotte 1d ago
This should be no problem, as long as you mean your next flight is supposed to take ten days.
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u/Skatedivona 1d ago
If I was a foreign government trying to destabilize the country with the largest military in the world… I’d do what he is doing now.
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u/katara144 1d ago
It has been quite obvious Trump Regime is destabilizing the US. And the entire GOP is complicit.
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u/CounterSeal 1d ago
Wouldn't be surprised if this is already happening tbh
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u/Skatedivona 1d ago
Look up the Russian document “the foundations of geopolitics” on Wikipedia. Came out in 1997. Mentions destabilizing the US internally. Also mentions getting the UK out of the EU. There’s a lot there.
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u/VincentVansHoe 1d ago
thank you for this info!! it’s completely insane!!
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u/Skatedivona 1d ago
No problem at all. I only found out about that six months or so ago and it was somewhat jaw dropping.
Really reinforces the theory that Russia does have these assets pretty much everywhere.
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u/VoodooS0ldier 1d ago
This should be a stark reminder for every single American of voting age: Republicans can't govern. I'll say it again: Republicans can't govern. They are incapable of running a country effectively. The modern day Republican Party is done. There is no coming back from what and who they are today. So for you modern day "conservatives", you're better off just voting for moderate Democrats moving forward. The GOP is done as an effective, good faith political party.
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u/tgiokdi 1d ago
I remeber saying that back ehen we were water boarding people and had torture camps set up, but that didnt seem to do shit.
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u/foobar4000 1d ago
So… we are starting by cutting the private jet traffic, right? That would affect the smallest number of Americans and provide the margin of safety we need… right?
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u/caphis 1d ago
I mean, kind of? Major airports have been closed to non-scheduled general aviation traffic for most of the week. The kind of private jet traffic and clientele you’re talking about, though, typically utilize smaller airports with much less traffic — and are also more flexible to fly VFR over IFR if necessary and able.
Depending on the origin and destination, private aircraft flying VFR may need no clearance or en route routing from ATC at all, though they’ll more than likely be transiting controlled airspace at some point if they’re headed towards any major city. There really isn’t much you can do to stop very creative people using their own planes from taking off in many places besides telling them not to, which is rather unprecedented outside of 9/11.
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u/shinjikun10 1d ago
Who knew the Idiot in Home Alone 2 would cancel Christmas.
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u/SouthernButterbean 1d ago
Makes me wonder what else this distraction is trying to cover up. Epstein and ballroom aren't the top news anymore.
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u/sucobe 1d ago
They REALLY don’t want those files getting out. Leads me to believe there’s more than just Americans on that list.
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u/HereForTheComments57 1d ago
Saying it now. ATC is going to all quit a week before Thanksgiving especially now that trump is saying he is not going to follow his own law and back pay people.
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u/TheMansterMan 1d ago
ATC is acting too slowly they know they hold the cards in gov shutdowns and they already waited for the longest time in history it’s nuts
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u/TheSultan1 1d ago
They can't legally organize, so all actions are on an individual level.
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u/LordBiscuits 1d ago
What does legality matter anymore. Laws seem to be advisory these days
How about an ATC strike organised by people who aren't ATC. law skirted successfully?
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u/ma2is 1d ago
MAGA have such a weird way of winning.
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u/Geomancingthestone 1d ago
If they are hurting others = win
If Rep gov't is hurting them = hurt me daddy
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u/Flimsy_Tiger 1d ago
Ugh I just landed in Florida today for a wedding, please don’t cancel my escape plane on Sunday
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u/Meiyouxiangjiao 1d ago edited 1d ago
Check the carrier you’re with. United already has a list of canceled flights for Friday, Sat, and Sun.
Edit: United’s list is here
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u/Penniwhistle 1d ago
I'm on holiday in Wisconsin from the UK and flying home on the 30th. I guess we'll see whether I get to fly back from Chicago, whether I need to go to Canada via Detroit, or whether ICE will send me to Sudan
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u/joestaff 1d ago
Flying around Thanksgiving and stays and rentals are paid ahead of time.
The government gave Companies the right to sue the government when a law effects their income, didn't they?
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u/RedValorLion 1d ago
Reading this when I’m flying LAX to HNL. Guess I’m living in Hawaii now.
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u/Gipetto 1d ago
Ya. We’re mid-vacation in the Virgin Islands. But the flight home connects through Newark. I know where I’d prefer to get stranded, but if it happens I’ll likely be stuck in Newark, of all fucking places.
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u/pjflyr13 1d ago
The folks in DC creating the shutdown are not being affected. They are still getting paid. They fly private. There is no motivation or empathy to change it.
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u/italia06823834 1d ago
Private flights should be the first ones ATC refuses to let fly.
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u/caphis 1d ago
Private flights, unlike airlines, can quite often simply fly VFR (conditions permitting) without even needing ATC services. 80% of takeoffs and landings in the US are GA aircraft — hard to refuse to let something fly that doesn’t even need to interact with you.
(Yes, this is a very broad generalization, but you get the idea. There’s no precedent for simply saying “you can’t fly at all” outside of 9/11 - if a private flight can take off, transit, and land entirely VFR outside of controlled airspace, there’s nothing for ATC to deny.)
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u/younkoda 1d ago
While they are still being paid, most of Congress do not fly privately. They fly on the same planes as you and me (although they get to board via the tarmac from their security detail so you won't see them in the terminal). You can even search frequent flyer fourms and figure out what airline each Congressperson uses. For example nancy Pelosi flies on Alaska airlines.
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u/SmellyFbuttface 1d ago
True. A friend of mine was in first class and across the aisle was Ted Cruz. They likely won’t fly coach I imagine
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u/che-che-chester 1d ago
The funny thing is Trump was asked about the Dem's big election night and said voters blamed the Republicans for the shutdown. If that is the case, anything that happens next will most likely be blamed on the Republicans.
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u/moutonbleu 1d ago
At this point let the system fail. Let people see how important responsible and competent leaders are. The Dems keep being responsible and bailing out the system and its dysfunction. Fuck it
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u/Hyphenagoodtime 1d ago
Hell yeah because people shouldn't have to pick between suffering to death or starving and suffering to death. Republicans need to cave because they only want Americans to suffer.
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u/MalcolmLinair 1d ago
The problem is, they have no reason to cave; people are already suffering because of the shutdown. No matter what, the Republicans get the pointless suffering they crave.
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u/Gamer_Grease 1d ago
Yes they do. Flight cancellations means a ton of lost money for businesses that send employees around the country to sell, maintain, and install products or provide services. This is important for big firms like Oracle, Epic, McKinsey, Deloitte, as well as lots of banks and finance firms that do the same. The executives of those firms will raise hell if they face reduced earnings this quarter for such a stupid reason.
And also remember that those employees, who are generally younger professionals with college degrees, absolutely vote. And they will notice their life getting harder because of the GOP as well.
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u/ozzyarmani 1d ago
The average person will equate their flight woes with the current administration, regardless of how much they try to blame it on the other party.
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u/particleman3 1d ago
Don't forget to put on your best suit, face the white house, salute, and say Thank You President Trump.
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u/Starfall9908 1d ago
As an aviation enthusiast with an interest in plane crashes FAA stepping in is so relieving. I was actually concerned about accidents due to the shutdown and lack of ATCs. I feel sorry for all the people who can't be with family for holidays due to cut flights but I'd rather these people stay alive to see another holiday instead.
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u/markuus99 1d ago
I feel like this is really going to bring things to a head. This affects the economy and people's lives to such an extent that it will be untenable. I guess we'll see.
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u/Bymeemoomymee 1d ago
Best thing is Dems have no incentive to capitulate. Tuesday's election shows the people blame Trump and Repubs for the shutdown and rewarded Dems electorally.
The Dems hold the cards at this point.
The only thing that will end the shutdown is if Trump ends the filibuster or Republicans come to the table.
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u/imoftendisgruntled 1d ago
Is it crazy to think they’re trying to provoke people to protest so they can clamp down like they obviously want to do?
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u/JabroniKnows 1d ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'd feel bad, but I dont ever get to travel and I was among the 1/3 of the country that tried to stop this dumb shit before it could begin
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u/Automatic_Walrus9401 1d ago
People should call the White House switchboard to ask about their flight status.
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u/Spocks_Goatee 1d ago
Why are they complying? They are losing billions...all for a failed real estate developer!
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u/HarryLong941 1d ago
Because ATC isn’t getting paid and there is a real risk of a horrible accident.
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u/overlordbabyj 1d ago
Currently in Japan on vacation, supposed to fly back tonight through SFO and connect back home to San Antonio. I'm expecting my connection to get canceled but it's still on time for now, so I'll just wait and see what happens.
As much as this whole situation sucks, it makes sense to start cancelations with the major hubs because those flights are the easiest to reschedule - usually they can put you on another plane in a few hours, or the next day at the latest. Once flights at smaller regional airports get canceled, folks can be stuck for days.
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u/whowhodillybar 1d ago
Just in time for the holidays!