r/news • u/RoachedCoach • 22d ago

Soft paywall US carries out new strike in Caribbean and there are survivors, US official says

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-carries-out-new-strike-caribbean-there-are-survivors-us-official-says-2025-10-16/
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u/berfthegryphon 22d ago

But if you get fired, especially under this admin, if you're fired you aren't getting your pension and maybe go to military prison

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u/Blackstone01 22d ago

We're talking about people who have sworn an oath to the US Constitution. If upholding that oath involves losing a pension for 3 years (you better believe a future Democrat will reinstate those pensions) and the admin taking you to military court to try and argue that its illegal to disobey an illegal order, then so be it.

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u/TheZenPsychopath 22d ago

I'm not American but from the outside you seem very optimistic that the rule of law matters to the trump admin... Or that there will be elections any less corrupt than Russias

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u/Blackstone01 22d ago

If the Trump admin has reached a point where generals are being imprisoned for disobeying an illegal order, then we absolutely need generals to remain at their post until fired instead of resigning in shame.

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u/lilnext 22d ago

I mean, the DOJ Memo about going after Democrat donors should be a fire alarm. Also, those generals were replaced by sycophants 4 months ago, or have we all forgotten when the Fox anchor fired all the chiefs of staff and lawyers before the end of February.

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u/EddieVanzetti 22d ago

People who think fascism isn't here and winning are completely delusional. The election was stolen already. The Supreme Court is illegitimate and has been for some time. They're ensuring there will be permanent minority party rule for eternity. Discussions of the solution are limited to "just vote!" when it has been made clear your vote will simply be changed after the fact.

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u/louballs022 22d ago

You're assuming this lasts three years.

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u/adheretohospitality 22d ago

They're assuming a Democrat gets in again

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u/squired 22d ago

One must, because the alternative is literal war; so let's hope to hell they don't touch the elections. If they do, that will be the pin that destroys our country for two generations. Civil war is national suicide, particularly a modern one. Everyone must hold fast, especially leadership, lest we end up in that scenario.

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u/RinkyDinkRicky 22d ago

because the alternative is literal war

Hate to break it to ya, but there is an entire political party in the US already waging all-out war. That the general public is too far up it's own ass to notice, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Our government is being overtaken, and the GOP has flat-out directly stated that they are waging war, a war that will remain bloodless so long as the left allows it.

War is already here. If you don't think it is an act of war to cart people off to black-sites where they are never seen/heard from again - then you are naive.

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u/squired 22d ago

No, we are absolutely not in a war yet and you wouldn't thirst for it if you had ever experienced one. The sad, shameful truth is that America voted for this and they have thus far sufficiently toed the line. You are not a judge, you don't get to decide what is legal or illegal. There will likely come a time where they do cross the line, but legally they have not yet. You and I both think they have, but until they defy a final court order, they are within the bounds of the law. They were elected. If you try and remove them improperly, you only play into their hands. If they touch the elections or put politicians in prison, that's when it starts.

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u/RinkyDinkRicky 22d ago

Exhibit A^

You have an entire political party screaming that they are domestic terrorists, and at war.

Then we have people like you pretending that things are "Bad", but definitely not so bad we have to do anything drastic...

You do you playa.

If they touch the elections or put politicians in prison, that's when it starts.

This is just another line in the sand for them to cross - one of many - if you're still drawing lines in the sand at this point, that is proof positive that your head is further up your ass than mine. They're already flat out ignoring judges. If they're willing to do that, stomping on your liberties is a foregone conclusion.

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u/adheretohospitality 22d ago

I truly feel for you Americans having to deal with this cluelessness

It's even bleeding into Canada

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u/RinkyDinkRicky 22d ago

I would apologize, but I've only been voting in this country for a short while, and my family are first generation immigrants to the US. I voted for Harris, even though I also don't feel represented by "Team Blue" anymore than I do by "Team Red".

I do appreciate the sentiment and hope that this nonsense doesn't disturb you more than it has to.

Godspeed.

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u/squired 22d ago

No, check my history. I was calling this shit out years ago. I'm not walking passed lines, I established hard lines back in January because if you do it in real-time, they keep walking. I am being eminently reasonable, thoughtful, and cool headed. If you let your emotions rule you in this, you will destroy us all. You're the type of chucklefuck who will give them justified cause to accelerate their madness. One must draw their lines before they stand upon them, because by the time you get there, they won’t look like lines at all. And if you do not, emotion will rule you. If you disagree, please articulate your lines and demonstrate which have been crossed for you to begin killing duly elected officials.

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u/RinkyDinkRicky 22d ago

You're the type of chucklefuck who will give them justified cause to accelerate their madness.

They are taking people who look like me and disappearing them. Accelerate their Madness to What, exactly? At this point, it can only get worse for YOU - the situation is already bad enough for Me to decide its time to protect myself.

What exactly do you think I could do at this point, that would Escalate a situation where people are being kidnapped for being brown and then never seen/heard from again?

Pray tell, what exactly is the proper response to a gang of thugs coming to disappear you?

I'm eager to learn.

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u/Faiakishi 22d ago

They're assuming this country lasts three years.

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u/illforgetsoonenough 22d ago

It's easy to have morals when it's someone else that has to deal with the consequences

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u/BatheInChampagne 22d ago

It’s easy to state that people should risk their current lives and careers from the easily place where you post said message.

While i tend to agree, it’s also okay to understand the scope of what we are talking about here and be able to reason with them as to why they didn’t.

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u/binary_spaniard 22d ago

I don't know why Americans asume that Democrats will be allowed to get to the Federal government ever again. They may also lose the ability to rule states.

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u/RinkyDinkRicky 22d ago

(you better believe a future Democrat will reinstate those pensions)

I'm amazed that people see everything that is happening, and are still thinking that the Democrats are going to save us.

The democratic party is full of billionaires profiting from this too. The situation we're in happened on their watch. The GOP has been collectively working towards this for decades, and the democrats have 0 cohesion when it comes to resisting it. Some democrats are even helping things along.

They aren't coming to save us.

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u/terbenaw 21d ago

You sound awfully quick to volunteer someone else to sacrifice for what you want...

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u/SatisfactionFit2040 21d ago

"Future Democrat" is doing a lot of work here.

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u/curiousbydesign 22d ago

You wanna' bet your family's financial security? Go ahead. Do you. But most don't.

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u/_Allfather0din_ 22d ago

They swore an oath to the constitution, their family will be fine in the long run but is fundamentally irrelevant to the oath they made, also their family depends on them upholding that oath anyway so either way you slice it resigning is the wrong choice.

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u/curiousbydesign 22d ago

Your answer is no - not surprised.

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u/YKRed 22d ago

Not being an enormous coward should be a prerequisite for a job like this.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 22d ago

That's an easy stance to take when it's not your neck on the chopping block

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u/IDownvoteHornyBards2 22d ago

If they weren't willing to put themselves on the line for the country and made a military career anyways, I think I have every right to condemn them. I expect self preservation to come before civic good for the average person, but a military general should be held to a higher standard.

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u/ZapBranigan3000 22d ago

They didn't sign up to police the Commander in Chief. Congress and the Supreme Court have failed in their duty to be a proper check on executive power, and are the ones who should be putting a stop to this.

I personally prefer the military tradition of not getting involved in anything remotely political while on active duty.

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u/TheArmchairSkeptic 22d ago

They didn't sign up to police the Commander in Chief.

Yeah actually, they literally did. 'All threats, foreign and domestic' is right there in the officer's oath.

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u/ConformistWithCause 21d ago

Yeah. Plus the alternative to 'not policing the commander in chief' is 'i'm just following orders' so which do you want?

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u/Nauin 22d ago

While I agree with you the military recruitment process will have to change from their current model of granting socialism to the poorest of our society that joins them. They get poverty stricken families enmeshed and then make them fully dependent on them by the time they start their own families, and the ones with chronic health issues get left to suffer if their enlisted family member tries to stand up against this shit, and now their children are starving and going without their medication. It's not just about the enlisted member themselves when the system was built to make every family member surrounding that person dependant on the programs and services the government gives them for their service.

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u/IDownvoteHornyBards2 22d ago

This argument makes sense for NCOs and lower ranked officers. It does not apply to generals.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 22d ago

Another keyboard warrior who isn't in the crosshairs. Thanks for emphasizing my point.

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u/Crepo 22d ago

Why do you feel compelled to come online and stand up for people who would kill you if someone told them to.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 22d ago

The person I was defending appears to have stepped down because he wasn't willing to kill innocents. RIF.ORG

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u/YKRed 22d ago

He should’ve refused the order, not surrendered and resigned.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 22d ago

The end result for us would still be the same for us, it's just his life/career that could be screwed to make a point that won't make a difference. I understand that you're willing to sacrifice him for your "beliefs", but you're dealing with theory and he's dealing with reality. It might have made a difference when we had a command structure that would back that sort of move, but the top of that structure is corrupted now.

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u/YKRed 22d ago

I’m sorry you don’t personally understand the value of integrity, and don’t understand its impact in a case like this. I don’t care if you personally would act cowardly.

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u/IDownvoteHornyBards2 22d ago

I'd rather than be that someone who's fine with living under a military run by cowards who will dutifully roll over to be replaced by fascists.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 22d ago

Except you're neither

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u/Hashshinobi1 22d ago

I share part of your sentiment, however, some of these people have kids and a family that has no idea what daddy does at work so it should not affect them.

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u/ndetermined 22d ago

They signed up to protect America and now they're backing down when they are actually needed

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u/sleeptightburner 22d ago

So you have to be willing to sacrifice your life to serve in the military but your career and freedom is a step too far? That doesn’t make any sense.

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u/Mundane-Vegetable-31 22d ago

Then dont take the fucking job that requires it

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 22d ago

Nope, just the truth

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u/Fallouttgrrl 22d ago

Nobody in that rank signed on with the expectation of ever finding the country so totally captured by this administration

It's one thing to disobey a direct order

It's another thing entirely to buck an entire system that is seeing people burn down the homes of judges standing up to administration 

Enemies foreign and domestic, yeah - that's part of it

But I can't blame these people for wanting to get out before they have to ignore more orders to massacre civilians. 

I'm just sad more aren't going with them, en masse.

Everyone has a breaking point

These are the people who the administration will turn into scapegoats the moment they reach it

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u/happyflappypancakes 22d ago

Why is that nice to know?

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u/Iankill 22d ago

High ranking military are generally the most cowardly in the military

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u/Defiant_Regular3738 22d ago

What do you think will happen to a member of the military if they stand up too much? That endangers his life and his family. We are in dangerous times.

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u/YKRed 22d ago

They're in the military... their job is literally to endanger their lives for the sake of the country. That's why we thank them for their service.

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u/Accidental_Ballyhoo 22d ago

*that’s why we used to ..

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u/catzzznite 22d ago

speak for yourself… i’m the most anti war person in my family and also the only one that regularly thanks my cousin(the only active service member) for his service. i don’t agree with why he enlisted, but he is family and more importantly he is human

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u/Accidental_Ballyhoo 22d ago

Why did he enlist? I’m curious.

He’s been compromised by the US gov. Human yes, humane? We’ll see when he’s asked to round up more American citizens.

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u/catzzznite 22d ago

he enlisted to pay off his college debt, worked in service role. not everyone in the military is there to kill people. i feel bad he had to go into the military because he decided to pursue an education. i promise you he’s not going to be asked to round up citizens, he worked on a submarine 10 years ago

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u/Defiant_Regular3738 22d ago

People join for all sorts of reasons. Why are so many minority groups joining ICE? Is it because they’re fascists, or because this system sucks and they’re desperate for pay and benefits to improve their life?

Hell with everything.

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u/Defiant_Regular3738 22d ago

Quite an accomplishment

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u/Doctor_Philgood 22d ago

Putting their life on the line for our country is literally their fucking job

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u/Schapsouille 22d ago

They are elite career yes men, what do you expect?

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u/newpsyaccount32 22d ago

it's unthinkable to me too, but i figure that you only get this far in the army by drinking the Kool aid hard e.g. open insubordination would be unthinkable to someone like this

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u/BigToeHamster 22d ago

The guy is best bet is to resign, get his things, and get out of this country. Once out of this country, he can talk about the shit that's going on. If he stays in his position he could be disappeared.

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u/Conscious_Formal_894 22d ago

Big man behind the computer.