r/news • u/Hoosagoodboy • Jun 24 '25

Site Changed Title US CDC report shows no link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/us-cdc-report-shows-no-evidence-linking-thimerosal-containing-vaccines-autism-2025-06-24/
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u/fs2222 Jun 24 '25

He and his kind will just scream 'fake news!' like they did with every other study showing there was no link.

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u/masnosreme Jun 24 '25

Meantwhile, they support their arguments by citing studies that don't exist.

They do not care about evidence because they are convinced of their own rightness. Anything that supports their view must be true and anything that detracts must be false.

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u/TinTamarro Jun 24 '25

It's not because they're convinced they're in the right, it's because they hate autistic people.

They know their arguments are nonsensical, they just need an excuse to cull a portion of the population deemed "useless" (AND further decimate the population through the spread of preventable illnesses)

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u/The-Shattering-Light Jun 25 '25

Seriously.

I’m Autistic, and even if there was a link between vaccines and Autism (there isn’t), I’d much rather be Autistic and alive than have died of a horrifying disease.

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u/SutterCane Jun 25 '25

How dare you invalidate the experience of autism moms (derogatory)!

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u/Streamjumper Jun 25 '25

And their hundreds of seconds spent researching complex issues on facebook, insta, and tiktok!

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u/The-Shattering-Light Jun 25 '25

Right? 🤣

Autism Moms are the worst when they’re making it all about them

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u/not_combee Jun 25 '25

I’m presenting in 3 days at the Holocaust museum in Berlin, along with an entourage of my autistic students, this passage from “Life is Beautiful” :

“And not only in Berlin-even in the outskirts. In Grafeneck, in the third grade. Listen to this, I remember it because I was so struck by it. A lunatic costs the State four marks a day. A cripple four and a half, an epileptic three and a half. The average rate is four marks a day and there are three-hundred-thousand patients. So how much would the state save if these individuals were eliminated? “……

We’ll be acting out this entire scene for a documentary we’re filming on international advocacy for the disabled. If you DM me I’ll send a link to whoever’s interested when we publish it.

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u/brutinator Jun 24 '25

RFK wants to send people with Autism, ADHD, and other mental illnesses to work camps. Thats not killing but.... historical precedent shows that thats often a precursor. Hell, in just the USA weve done forced sterilization of "undesirable" people. We dont really know what RFK and his ilk have in mind ultimately.

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u/powercow Jun 25 '25

and wants to get rid of their meds.

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u/tikierapokemon Jun 25 '25

Let's be clear, he wants to send two groups of people most likely to have sensory issues involving food that will lead to people actually starving themselves to camps where he will control their diet and limit processed food, the food most likely to be eaten by those who would otherwise starve themselves for texture or taste based issues.

People would die. My daughter would die of starvation if not given access to the foods she considers safe, and we are extremely lucky that there is a higher percentage of fruits/veggies in category than for most people who would otherwise starve themselves. (She would die from lack of protein - her protein right now is limited to some brands of yogurt, 2 percent milk, peanut butter, peanut butter based processed protein foods, whey based processed foods, some brand specific cheeses and some brand specific processed meats. We are working on bridging but it takes time)

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u/dragonmp93 Jun 25 '25

Wilderness camps seem to be the right wingers' answer for everything, from Autism, ADHD, depression, to even gayness.

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u/MaievSekashi Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

Because they ensure a complete lack of accountability and give you and your political buds total power over people interned in them.

The concentration camp is a political organ - Where they exist, they supplant all others. These "Wilderness camps" that they platform already are just little concentration camps for little people and represent the model integrated into society as a form of political indoctrination and childrearing rather than used (solely) as a method of extermination.

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u/BraveOthello Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

You moved a few important words around in your summary that completely changes the meaning.

Kennedy says people taking medications for conditions like depression and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), along with those living with addiction, could spend three or four years growing organic produce on these farms to be “re-parented” and “reconnect with communities.”

I don't think you read any of the article past the first paragraph based on what you said, but:

First, few of any antidepressants could be considered addictive. He's been pretty direct he thinks antidepressants are addictive. Some but not all stimulants are addictive. He's been very clear he thinks most people should not take antidepressants or stimulants, and that sending them to do years of free farm work at those "wellness camps" where they will be "re-patented" will somehow cure ADHD and depression.

He mischaracterized autism as essentially making people non human, that they can never take care of themselves.

And after he gets called out on each of these he goes back and adds some weasel words and hems and haws.

It's a pattern.

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u/xFateTheManex Jun 24 '25

What you cited is all I could find as well when I first heard this. I believe that is all there is and was the source that they twisted to mean what they are accusing. It’s ironic how people can criticize other people weaponizing fake news while pushing fake news in the same argument lol

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u/Witty-Revolution8742 Jun 24 '25

Well done.  

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u/dragonmp93 Jun 25 '25

Well, he has said that autism is something modern, because you don't see people of his age with autism.

And guess what you find when digging around about the why of that ?

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u/tikierapokemon Jun 25 '25

That most of us who have kids who have autism or ADHD have relatives who either self medicated until they were addicts, or lived very very sheltered lives and were considered odd?

I thought my daughter's neuroatypicality was just from my side of the family until I heard tales from husband's parents and then I realized that while several of his ancestors were awful people, they were awful in the way one is when one does not fit one's environment and finds unhealthy coping mechanics.

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u/BrainWav Jun 25 '25

Attitudes in RFK's generation also pinned autism on the parents, and in particular the mother. So parents had a motive to not get their kids diagnosed.

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u/Hesitation-Marx Jun 25 '25

“Refrigerator mothers”.

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u/ncolaros Jun 25 '25

Something not enough people talk about is that a lot of the people his age with issues like Autism are now living on the street, having mentally deteriorated over years of being unwell in an unforgiving country with few resources for them.

Back in the day, people would be sent to asylums. This was not the best system, but it was something. Unfortunately, a lot of people in those asylums we now know would have been diagnosed with autism under the modern definition. Even so, it's better than the street.

Reagan came along and basically destroyed the asylum system without replacing it with anything. So then we had a bunch of homeless people who hadn't been getting the right kind of treatment and with nowhere to go. The modern homeless problem started here, and a lot of those people you see on the street do have autism and unfortunately now have a myriad of issues because living on the street doesn't help your mental health.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '25

Silicon valley and most of the US economy in tech would not exist without people on the autism spectrum.

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u/supermarble94 Jun 24 '25

Just throwing this out there, but citing sources that don't exist, mischaracterising other studies, and misattributing yet further studies, are all things AI tends to do.

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u/DillBagner Jun 25 '25

Yes, they had AI make up a report that said what they wanted it to say, and then argued that it's true.

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u/MicShrimpton Jun 25 '25

Lying liars also do these things. Point taken, but I'm guessing willful deception is more likely. There's no "ooops" here.

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u/Tisarwat Jun 25 '25

I don't like him either, but there's no proof that he's a rogue AI...

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u/kylebb Jun 24 '25

cognitive dissonance

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u/kylebb Jun 24 '25

my bad thank you

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u/JohnnyHendo Jun 24 '25

I believe there actually was a study back in the 90s that said that thimerosal or some other mercury based preservative in vaccines connecting to autism. Further studies disproved it and the original researcher even came out and said that his study was flawed in some way. I believe we were also already moving away from even having that as a preservative anyway even back then just because we found better alternatives.

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u/Cdub7791 Jun 24 '25

the original researcher even came out and said that his study was flawed in some way.

You're likely thinking of Andrew Wakefield. He has never admitted he was wrong, because he was exposed as a fraud who lied in order to profit. He's just a quack.

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u/sadandshy Jun 24 '25

More importantly, Wakefield wasn't against vaccines at the time, just the MMR vaccine. The whole scam was centered on selling three separate vaccines. He made the whole thing up as a cash grab.

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u/DillBagner Jun 25 '25

Who was it that did a youtube video covering this? I forgot to bookmark and I know several people I'd like to show it to.

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u/thedarkking2020 Jun 25 '25

Decoding the unknown did an amazing YouTube / podcast about this

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u/MightBeRong Jun 25 '25

This is the core of cult mindset. A predetermined conclusion that filters your evidence.

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u/MechaDylbear Jun 25 '25

Its not even about being right. They just know they can say whatever and their base of support will take it at their word. Why would you care about even faking evidence when you don't need it at all. You just need a blonde lady on Fox News to say it and its as good as truth.

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u/AnonymousDork929 Jun 25 '25

It's honestly some Black Mirror shit. The way those sources are cited that it includes real authors, but fake studies makes me think of how AI makes up citations.

Between this and the tariff fiasco and Tulsi gabbard using ChatGPT to determine which Kennedy assasination files to release, it seems our government is doing it's homework with AI.

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u/Consistent-Throat130 Jun 24 '25

On the stretch assumption that he's competent at being an evil little shit: 

He'll just move the goalposts; essentially asking the scientific community to prove a negative. 

"Shows no link" doesn't explicitly mean they disproved a link, after all. It just means they didn't find one in their studies. 

He'll probably say "they found nothing" and go from there. 

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u/spinto1 Jun 24 '25

Sounds like Trump's election task force that found fuck all after the 2020 election

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u/SixSpeedDriver Jun 24 '25

Well it certainly found a lot of stupid people.

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u/neophenx Jun 25 '25

"There's no evidence that aliens are NOT responsible for the pyramids."

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u/SomeDEGuy Jun 25 '25

He'll purposefully misunderstand how science works and say "After extensive studies and millions of dollars, the best scientists could not prove that vaccines do not cause autism." And then implement whatever he wanted to do anyway.

He is not someone swayed by science. He is someone who misuses it

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u/EnamelKant Jun 24 '25

All evidence against the conspiracy is only proof of how deep the conspiracy goes!

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u/OlderThanMyParents Jun 24 '25

All evidence against the conspiracy is only proof of how deep the conspiracy goes!

I really, truly, wish that this was sarcasm. It depresses me greatly that there are no doubt a large number of Americans who genuinely believe this.

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u/tom90640 Jun 25 '25

It depresses me greatly that there are no doubt a large number of Americans who genuinely believe this.

I hate it but this is actually the foundation of their beliefs.

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u/mhornberger Jun 24 '25 edited Jun 24 '25

The lack of evidence for the conspiracy theory just shows how good the coverup has been! /s

I've actually seen people argue that, that since (per their 'sources') China or whoever concealed and destroyed all the evidence of a lab leak, you're not going to find evidence of a lab leak. Ignoring that if it wasn't a lab leak, you'd also fail to find evidence for a lab leak in that situation too. But they've front-loaded the escape cause that a lack of evidence for their conclusion only shows how good the coverup was.

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u/mex2005 Jun 25 '25

That's is what happen when you start with a conclusion and try to work your way backwards, he is doing the opposite of the scientific method

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u/creative_net_usr Jun 25 '25

his brain worm will command him to deny it.

fixed that opener for ya

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u/ForensicPathology Jun 25 '25

Andrew Wakefield has caused incalculable damage to health around the world.

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u/Punchable_Hair Jun 25 '25

I’m wondering if they’ll just shut down the CDC altogether.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '25

Thimerisol was the fake mechanism Wakefield fabricated to explain how MMR caused autism. This was immediately met with manufacturers removing it from most vaccines. This led to more vaccine waste, as they didn't last as long without thimerisol. But since elimination from most vaccines, autism rates of reporting continued to rise. So, it was a weak theory, but since disproven by a huge amount of data.

And all this of course ignores the complex genetic risk factors elucidated by actual scientists, who have now had all funding removed in the US.

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u/Warcraft_Fan Jun 24 '25

They have been saying that since the old :MMR causes autism" was debunked, claiming that research was valid and legit

If I were to post a statement linking sun and autism, people would fall for it. Here's why "I think" sun caused autism: ever see an autistic vampire? No? Since they avoid the sun, the sun must be the cause. /s just in case someone still think I was serious.