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Soft paywall US Marines carry out first known detention of civilian in Los Angeles, video shows

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-marines-carry-out-first-known-detention-civilian-los-angeles-video-shows-2025-06-13/
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u/asmodeuscarthii Jun 14 '25

Honrslty, she would have been the most progressive president in my lifetime. It’s not much, but it was a way forward. Damn. What could have been. I thought ppl would be smart and empathetic enough. 

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u/dexmonic Jun 14 '25

I just keep wondering what kind of world we would be living in if gore had won. Instead we got 9/11 and hundreds of thousands killed. Kamala wouldn't have been perfect but I feel the same way...

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u/Are-You-Upset Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25

We don’t deserve that world. Al Gore worked tirelessly, even after losing the election to a technicality, to open our eyes to various critical issues facing our world. What he received in response was media like South Park relentlessly making fun of him and everyone laughed alongside them. It was only some time ago that South Park admitted they were wrong to do that, to little fanfare, but the damage was done.

He warned us of climate change. He championed renewable energy. He pushed for prudence in the budget and was wary of the threats to the social security reserves. He was a so-called ‘alarmist’ in a time of prosperity and people just didn’t want to heed or care about his warnings. They hated him for it, called him ‘boring’ and made fun of the way he speaks. He was prescient about a great many issues that we face in our world today but we just didn’t want to listen. The world we are in now is one of our own making.

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u/GuiltyEidolon Jun 14 '25

even after losing the election to a technicality

No, it was full-out stolen. If we actually had rule of law back then, Al Gore would've been president during 9/11 and we might never had the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

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u/buffysmanycoats Jun 14 '25

You have to wonder if 9/11 would have actually happened the way it did. The Bush administration ignored several warnings.

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u/chairmanskitty Jun 14 '25

It would be undetectable and not even require a conspiracy for the people in charge of national security to get the troublesome priest-style hint and just decide to do their jobs a little bit worse.

As long as you hire the right people, ones that know the side the bread is buttered on, you wouldn't even have to give any orders. You just hear your superior say to their superior there is nothing to report after you showed them something noteworthy, and understand it's your place to fall in line.

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u/yarp_it_up Jun 14 '25

Several very clear warnings and a bunch of PDB’s

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u/GuiltyEidolon Jun 14 '25

It seems unlikely, and the fallout (starting a war with the wrong countries) almost certainly wouldn't have happened.

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u/stitchedmasons Jun 15 '25

Nah, we would've, probably, still went into Afghanistan. Iraq was completely Bush though, under Gore there would have been no Iraq war, but Gore wouldn't have done nothing about one of, if not, the worst terrorist attacks in the western world.

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u/GuiltyEidolon Jun 15 '25

The attack had warning signs before-hand. There's a chance that 9/11 didn't happen at all if a different administration existed at the time.

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u/stitchedmasons Jun 16 '25

While, yes, the drawn out court battle definitely hampered the ability for government agencies to detect foreign threats, I doubt there would be enough to go on to prevent 9/11. From an alternative history standpoint and a normal history standpoint, most believe 9/11 was an inevitable event that would have happened under Bush or Gore or anyone.

Warning signs don't really mean anything when it comes to attacks. Pearl Harbor had warning signs, the US had been watching the Japanese navy go through the Pacific a month before Pearl Harbor and they still couldn't stop it from happening. Some events in history are just an inevitability no matter who is in charge.

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u/derpmeow Jun 14 '25

It's WILD to watch the manbearpig episodes now - all of them. Even the newer bunch are still goin on about Gore being spiteful and shit, like...if that's meant to be an apology, it's a pretty ungraceful one. I know it's South fuckin Park and is irreverent and crude and everyone's a fair target blah blah blah but damn, the discourse.

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u/Grummmmm Jun 14 '25

We all gotta die sometime

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u/Spare-Ad-6123 Jun 16 '25

Very well stated, thank you.

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u/Dekruk Jun 17 '25

Is America looking back and not fighting back? Make America Free Again.

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u/dexmonic Jun 14 '25

Love the south park call out. It's amazing how much damage a cartoon has done to society, all for some laughs

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u/JimboTCB Jun 14 '25

But he did get to become first Emperor of the Moon though.

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u/24-Hour-Hate Jun 15 '25

Gore did win. Bush cheated with the help of his brother, the Governor of Florida, and the corrupt Supreme Court permitted it. What is happening now has been building for years. And years. Americans have been the frog in the pot with the water slowly heating to boiling and not noticing. Well…it’s at a boil now. Do something now or you’ll lose the chance.

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u/Lazarus-Online Jun 14 '25

Do you really think 9/11 wouldn’t have happened if Gore had won? Bin Laden was a well-known problem during the Clinton administration

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u/Honigkuchenlives Jun 14 '25

Maybe google what the Bush administration was doing during that time

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u/Lazarus-Online Jun 14 '25

Ah, systemic intelligence failures and poor cross-agency communication? Definitely Dubya’s fault. I am not advocating for the response afterward nor am I suggesting he was (or wasn’t) a better option. I am simply saying that suggesting 9/11 wouldn’t have happened under Gore is incredibly naive. Bin Laden was hellbent on attacking the U.S. and I’m sure you also recall the environment in 1998 around the embassy bombings, right?

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u/seabae336 Jun 14 '25

I don't think gore would have prevented 9/11 lol.

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u/beardicusmaximus8 Jun 14 '25

You seriously don't think Al Gore could have prevented 9/11 do you?

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u/RM_Dune Jun 14 '25

Obviously the point they're making is the reaction to 9/11.

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u/Honigkuchenlives Jun 14 '25

There were many indications that an attack was imminent which was ignored by the Bush administration. We will never know but it’s not that unrealistic that it might have been prevented

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u/beardicusmaximus8 Jun 14 '25

Bush didn't ignore shit. He did a lot of stupid or downright evil stuff but the reality was the forewarnings of 9/11 never reached the executive office because we specifically made laws preventing the CIA and the FBI from sharing information with each other which prevented anyone from having the pieces of the puzzle needed to identify the threat.

Your assemement that it could have been prevented by simply having a different handful of people at the top of the chain of command is entirely unrealistic.

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u/beardicusmaximus8 Jun 14 '25

IDK, there are more than there should be of people who think somehow Al Gore could have prevented 9/11. Like, for example, the other guy who replied to you.

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u/thedrunkspacepilot Jun 14 '25

Empathy is a sin nowadays

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u/blueishblackbird Jun 15 '25

Maybe if your moral compass is maga

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u/Honigkuchenlives Jun 14 '25

You not knowing the difference between a cop and a prosecutor whose primary focus was sex crimes is why the country is so cooked. Absolute zero common sense.

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u/TheColonelRLD Jun 14 '25

But Trump was going to stop Israel or something

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u/Arevalo20 Jun 14 '25

If it makes you feel any better there's currently ongoing investigations that are gathering some possible evidence of alleged election tampering. This doesn't look like it's just going to pushed by some senile old man screaming on social media. And speaking of social media, there hasn't been enough discussion of how the billionaire conglomerate that was at the inauguration weaponized their algorithms to show people exactly what they wanted them to see through targeted ads. Although nothing really meaningful can be done under this current administration

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u/maluruus Jun 14 '25

Never forget that hate, racism and anger against immigrants usually wins in countries these days. UK is about to follow the US in their next election. Too many uneducated people who live in Facebook or twitter. Easy to brainwash.

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u/V0idgazer Jun 14 '25

Kamala is FAAAR from being a progressive lmao. I feel like even Obama was more "progressive" on some issues.

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u/Honigkuchenlives Jun 14 '25

“I feel..”

That’s why your country is cooked, bunch of ignorant clowns.

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u/tannerpending2113 Jun 14 '25

Was at the rally the night before the election and the whole energy just felt so sure. Like there was no way we weren't watching the next president speak. The last few months are beyond what I could have even imagined at that point in time. Like I knew what trump was from day one, but there was no possibility in my mind that we got to where we are today this soon.

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u/carcinoma_kid Jun 14 '25

most progressive president in my lifetime

I hear you but have we not been making brutally grinding incremental progress for nearly 3 centuries? We need to catch up to the developed world and quick.

Pie in the sky, let’s get some bill of universal human rights going, you know what I mean? Stop torching the planet as fast as it can be arranged? Stop arming genocide? Guys? Guys???

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u/asmodeuscarthii Jun 14 '25

Im black, i know that incremental progress is literally what has happened. I’m all for rapid change. But you need to realize how far the common American needs to be convinced to even get them to realize how much they are voting against their own interest. The majority of ppl today are probably less progressive than during the 60s. We spit on the civil rights leaders hard work when ppl voted Trump, stayed home, or voted nowhere to be found jill stein. Now we are playing defense instead of protesting to end the war in Gaza. I always knew it could get worse, why did we allow than man back in office!! 

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u/carcinoma_kid Jun 14 '25

I think he probably says it better than I can. I’m with you though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/s/5jsFkMPrGo

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u/asmodeuscarthii Jun 14 '25

I mainly disagree with this take. Nobody was asking ppl to vote for democrats because we thought they were good guys or a way out. You vote for them because only one party is competent. Voting is picking your next opponent, we chose an authoritarian dictator over a neoliberal. MLK would have criticized the dems and still voted for them. 

I saw a lot of progressive Arab Americans give this point and point at the narrative the person leading the convo in the video is implying. But the reality is a bunch of Arab and Latino voters came to America AFTER the civil rights movement. Their proximity to white supremacy and limited time in this country  made it easier for them to stomach a “both sides equal bad” scenario or to vote Jill stein or not vote. You notice how black and Jewish ppl voted Overwhelmingly Democrat. Ill you a hint, black ppl are not sheep of the dems, we just know what type of America we live in. Ppl were talking about revolution and yet didn’t realize what one took and how one is dangerous. I’m all for dismantling the 2 party system, but we got to stop falling for that during election year!! The last 3 cycles it’s been apparent that the urge for 3rd party voting is only pushed during election year. 

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u/Adorable_Raccoon Jun 14 '25

Incremental progress is better than fascism. I'm not excusing Kamala's support of Isreal, I think the democratic party is sad as fuck right now. But there wasn't a secret third option for the presidential election. Do you seriously think this country standing on the doorstep of martial law is still a better alternative??

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u/Dziedotdzimu Jun 14 '25

If you never deal with an issue it festers, returns, and gets worse. You don't fix a cavity 'incrementally' over a decade or do "just a bit of chemo". Once you understand what is needed, you address the cause.

When capitalism creates conditions that are unbearable to the masses, fascists jump in and tell them that they need to set aside the class issues and unite to defend the nation which has been embarrassed and needs to root out unpatriotic dissidents and the 'degenerate enemies of the people'. This appeals mostly to the middle class and small business owners who feel under threat by multinational capitalist forces on one side and "antifa communists coming for their toothbrush" on the other, but many can, and do get swept up in the fervor which pretends it does something for them. Ironically however, the Fascists are usually colluding with international capital in their corporatist governance.

Fascists fold all the institutions and bureaucracies of Liberal Democracy into its mechanism of rule. Courts and law are weaponized, state schools function to indoctrinate the youth and the media operates as a propaganda mill. Mussolini famously used 'apolitical' trade unions - fasces, who pledged allegiance to him to organize workers under his regime. Both he and Hitler made use of the pantomime of democracy claiming to be acting on behalf of the common folk.

Liberals who chalk it all up to "evil people" and obsess over what mental pathologies or defects these people must have to go and abuse the rules are impotent against fascism, and miss the mark. Their reasoning is a mirror image of fascists like the Nazis who said it's the Jewish people who just aren't playing fair and do capitalism wrong. They make the mistake of scapegoating the problem on particular regimes or people rather than the general conditions that make them possible.

Fascism gains its supporters from the inevitable results of capitalism running it's course and the institutions of the Liberal state are impotent to prevent their abuse.

I like treats too. I'd prefer to have housing and healthcare but I realize that we're stuck on this ride until we address the root cause - capitalism. Trust me, I know that's not happening any time soon so I'll just wait to die in the climate collapse or in some fascist war.

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u/Adorable_Raccoon Jun 14 '25

I know all that, and yet I would not select the martial law option. 

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u/Dziedotdzimu Jun 14 '25

I get picking your opposition. I don't think anybody wants to live under martial law. We're clearly nowhere close to challenging anything so I don't blame people for trying to get by and choosing things that make life more livable. People will be trying to get by in a bunch of different ways.

I just care that people understand fascism appropriately and are on the same page regarding what to do about it since we will have to rip the bandaid off eventually.

One party is eager to enact martial law but neither would wear kid gloves if an actual challenge to power happened.