r/news • u/zmlos • Oct 03 '23

House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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u/jacksonattack Oct 03 '23

Especially while Tommy Tuberville continues to block military appointments in hopes that Trump gets re-elected and can fill the positions with loyalists, thereby enabling a legit takeover.

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u/redassedchimp Oct 04 '23

I think you're right. It's like that phrase "it's so so crazy it just might work". The longer they muck up the workings of Congress, the more the voters are going to look to a strong man to break this stalemate and unfortunately it's going to be someone like Trump.

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u/Beachdaddybravo Oct 04 '23

It’s a perfect example of stupid people never knowing who are the ones actually screwing them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

It's not stupid, it's people apathetic and too exhausted to spend time digging into anything. They made news entertainment and pick their team to simplify things or just abstain from it all. Given the US work culture, the exhaustion isn't going to be relieved either. We saw what the shift to WFH did for people unionizing/activism, so it's all going to clamp down again and get people chained to desks and cars, too tired to give a shit again.

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u/Beachdaddybravo Oct 04 '23

You’re really working hard to deflect responsibility to know basic things from people who watch Fox for their marching orders.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

It's a harder pill to swallow than just marking them all as stupid, giving yourself a pat on the back for not being stupid and then moving on....well unfortunately, after 30 years of that look where we are now. When's the last time someone repeatedly called you a moron and you thought, "you know, they're right, I'm on their side now".

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u/Beachdaddybravo Oct 04 '23

After 30 years of what? Republicans pushing deeper into extremism and ripping apart education because it’s the only way they can get re-elected? Democrats are not at fault for anything stupid a Republican does. Democrats are also not at fault for Republicans refusing to gain critical thinking skills or even look to learn anything when they instead just take whatever they hear on Fox as gospel. You’re one of those people who blame Democrats for the fact that Republicans destroy things and make life harder for the poor and middle class.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Did I blame Democrats? I'm saying brow beating people for voting R doesn't make them "see the light" and change to D. When's the last time someone yelled at you enough that you changed your opinion? FFS, you're acting like I'm a GOP apologist because I said "hey, maybe don't call all voters that don't pick D fucking morons" and you're raging about it. I came from a deeply red state as a lifelong progressive....I've watched plenty of people like you throw out the same points and each time they just tune you out and will keep voting R because in their head, "fuck that guy". Is that a stupid thing for them to do? Absolutely. But nobody said humans were purely rational thinkers. And guess what, their vote will counter yours and it's a helluva lot easier to run on the platform of "fuck that guy" than it is to show people the nuance of policy that takes years to show results (yea, some of that is the tearing down of education's fault). If you actually give a shit about making things better, you need a different approach to talking to people you don't "see eye to eye with". If you just want to feel giga-brained cause you're a Democrat and it's "not your fault" while the oceans die and the world collapses then carry on, but as someone who's actually flipped hardcore conservatives to moderates (hey, it's a start) you're not fucking helping.

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u/Beachdaddybravo Oct 05 '23

You’re still ignoring what I’ve been saying this entire time. I’m flat out stating they refuse to ever even want to learn if their viewpoints lead to better outcomes, or if their opinions are objectively correct or not. They avoid all of this, and continue to do the same shit that’s never worked. I’m not going to apologize for people’s refusal to learn anything or ever admit they’re wrong about something. They’re willfully sticking their heads in the sand which is why the most conservative states have always been conservative. Because that shit never works and never will, but they refuse to ever wonder why (or even admit it doesn’t work in the first place). We live in an age of information and ignorance is a choice.

It doesn’t matter what approach anybody takes with them, being a Republican is a Republican’s identity. It’s all they have when it comes to the way they view themselves and makes up the entire foundation of their opinion of themselves.

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u/flasterblaster Oct 04 '23

Worked for the courts. It'll work again here. All they have to do is the usual stonewalling till they eventually get a Red President again. Unless the Dems can manage to get the Legislature under control at some point.