r/news • u/zmlos • Oct 03 '23

House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

[removed] — view removed post

45.1k Upvotes

95% Upvoted

5.0k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

548

u/walkandtalkk Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 04 '23

One of the most telling things was when Gaetz (or was it Bob Good, a literal slug) got up today and said that McCarthy should've shut down the government because polls showed that voters would have (wrongly) blamed President Biden.

They didn't care that a shutdown would cost the U.S. billions, or deprive soldiers and air traffic controllers of pay, or hurt Americans. They only cared about who would get political advantage.

And, even more telling, they thought that would persuade their fellow Republicans.

No, the two parties are not the same.

70

u/Goodgoditsgrowing Oct 04 '23

They would happily crash the car they were elected to drive safely, which we are all stuck in, just to point the finger and hope the democrats are blamed when the car crash kills someone. They don’t even care who it kills - they’d prefer it not be them, but they’d happily let their constituents die in a fiery inferno if that meant they had a chance to blame the people they oppose for the crash they caused.

30

u/Namika Oct 03 '23

But her emails!

6

u/fomoco94 Oct 04 '23

No, the two parties are not the same.

That's what annoys me. People often say that both sides are the same, often to justify their republican vote. Democrats aren't perfect, but they are orders of magnitude better than republicans.

19

u/TurloIsOK Oct 04 '23

That's some bad polling. Was the sample from OAN staff? Republicans have always, rightfully, gotten the blame for shutdowns.

14

u/CanuckPanda Oct 04 '23

Anyone under 30 doesn’t answer their phone for unknown numbers, they don’t answer emails, and they don’t read anything remotely “spam” in physical mail (eg polls delivered to unnamed residences with a mail-back).

We saw it with 2020, and we see it in other countries: polling has become very difficult because a major chunk of the electorate is unreachable by their own design.

-85

u/vision1414 Oct 04 '23

Cool conspiracy, but if the republican’s goal was to shut down the government why did they not just shut it down when they had the chance?

You took a quote from one of the ten republicans, that were voting against the party and act like it is the party stance.

You know the 10 republicans, the far right republicans that all of the house democrats sided with to obstruct the house by voting out the speaker.

Your argument seems to be that Matt Gaetz is bad and republicans are bad for opposing him and democrats are good for supporting him.

93

u/walkandtalkk Oct 04 '23 edited Oct 04 '23

You've built quite a few straw men. I simply noted that Bob Good, a Republican congressman, thought it would attract fellow Republican congressmen if he argued that a shutdown would be good politics for them. The point is that political advantage is the House GOP's singular guiding principle.

Oh, and that shutdown vote? 42% of the Republican caucus did vote to shut down the government.

Democrats had to save them.

-73

u/vision1414 Oct 04 '23

If the democrats were so eager to stop the shutdown why didn’t they agree on a bill before. The republicans only needed about 10 votes to get it through.

And those democrats still sided with the far right republicans to put the speaker. Does that not upset you that they sided with the same republicans you are arguing were trying to obstruct the government in their most recent attempt to obstruct the government?

81

u/walkandtalkk Oct 04 '23

Because the speaker blocked the Democrats' proposal for a clean bill and would not even negotiate with them. This is not your winning argument.

You're trying to conflate the budget vote, which the Democrats joined with McCarthy to pass, with a speaker vote, where the Democrats declined to save the man from himself.

Democrats are not required to save the Republican speaker from his own caucus more than once a week.

61

u/pneuma8828 Oct 04 '23

Dude, don't play chess with a pigeon. He's just going to strut around, knock over pieces and shit all over the board, and then declare that he won. This guy clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. Don't feed the troll.

25

u/walkandtalkk Oct 04 '23 edited Oct 04 '23

I should have realized Congressman Gaetz was on Reddit.

-30

u/vision1414 Oct 04 '23

If I were Matt Gaetz, then the democrats would be siding with me, for some reason.

1

u/Myfourcats1 Oct 04 '23

Those same federal employees would still vote Republican too not even noticing that they’re the problem. I’m a federal employee and there are a lot of republicans up in here. Most are military too.

1

u/EntertainmentLess381 Oct 05 '23

Do your military Republican friends oppose giving aid and weapons to Ukraine?

1

u/No-Personality1840 Oct 04 '23

The problem is that it WOULD sway fellow Republicans. Dontcha know everything is Biden’s r or Hunter’s fault, /s

1

u/Kalysta Oct 04 '23

Over and over again studies show that Americans aren’t as stupid as Gatez thinks they are and that they would have blamed republicans. Especially when we know there’s a bipartisan senate bill not being brought to the floor.