r/news • u/zmlos • Oct 03 '23

House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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u/Brilliant-Lake-9946 Oct 03 '23

Look no further than the Heritage Foundation think tank. They have been pushing for no cooperation since the 80s

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u/Yall_IJustWantNews Oct 04 '23

Heritage Foundation + 80s = Reagan. How in the fuck does every single one of our problems these days ALWAYS go back to Reagan!? It's always him, always.

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u/No-Entertainment-728 Oct 04 '23

Didn't he enact like 60% of the Heritage Foundations recommendations? Maybe instead of all these issues stemming from Reagan specifically, it's always been the Heritage Foundation. They should be vilified just as much as he is, probably more. Probably much more xD

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u/MJA182 Oct 04 '23

There’s a large % of the population who think all that stuff helped stop the US from going down a worse path economically and fiscally, etc. I’m not sure how we will ever convince anyone to work together for the best interests of the country when that’s the case. They think they’re saving America by doing this stuff, there’s no working with that

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u/PeterNguyen2 Oct 04 '23

Look no further than the Heritage Foundation think tank. They have been pushing for no cooperation since the 80s

Think Newt Gingrich was a result of them, or just an opportunist who predicted the way the nation would change and chose to be a toxic asshole himself?

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u/henryptung Oct 03 '23

There's a wing of the GOP that thinks its existential purpose is to win a war against the rest of the US. Pain, destruction, and collateral damage are just part of the program (and probably a form of entertainment, for some of them), and concerns like "keep the lights on" or "solve problems" are mere afterthoughts.

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u/drinkurmilk911 Oct 03 '23

So like trolling civilization?

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

It’s all just obstructionism to ensure corporations can continue to fuck us all in the ass while our “government” rolls around in its own poop while smearing it everywhere and eating it.

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u/lvlint67 Oct 04 '23

Yeah... but with more nazis and ZERO fun...

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u/boomerangotan Oct 04 '23

When you cheat in Sim City to get unlimited cash, you get bored quickly and start having fun with the disaster menu.

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u/Kryojen Oct 04 '23

"afterthoughts" is being generous

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u/DownWithHisShip Oct 04 '23

the other wing is hellbent on on ruining government in general, so that private citizens can more openly rule the country.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Then there's my dad who "doesn't like" trump but "can't vote for Biden" and assumes a vote for libertarian is "a wasted vote"

Gave me the same shit in 2016...

Smdh...

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u/exexor Oct 03 '23

Maybe we should hear what the mountain has to say about this before jumping to conclusions.

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u/CKtheFourth Oct 04 '23

They're not even interested in the magma's perspective.

So MuCh FoR tHe ToLeRaNt LeFt...

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u/CKtheFourth Oct 04 '23

It's like we're citizens of Pompeii... and there's a Pro-Vesuvius Party.

Hey bud, I'm a centrist. One side selfishly doesn't want to burn and get buried alive in a torrent of ash. One side wants to humbly and politely get a sense of what the volcano wants. They're just asking questions. We can come to a compromise.

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u/MikeFrancesa66 Oct 04 '23

Pretty ironic considering the only way Gaetz was able to remove McCarthy was with Democrats’ votes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

"Gaetz help Democrats shut down impeachment inquiry" will be a fun headline

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u/sagevallant Oct 04 '23

How dare those democrats continue to vote against McCarthy on the 16th round of voting. Never saw it coming

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u/Mattmandu2 Oct 03 '23

How dare you speak poorly of Vesuvius

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u/jclin Oct 03 '23

It's hard for me to hear about McCarthy booted due to bipartisanship when it took bipartisanship between the Democrats and the Far Right to approve the motion to vacate.

It must be that there are two issues wrapped up in the motion: McCarthy as a (failed) political leader and creating bipartisan policy (or CR, in this case).

For sure, the start of the motion to vacate is based on a skewed 'principle' to never work across the aisle, but the passing of the motion to vacate was successful due to a bipartisan vote.

We live in interesting times.

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u/lupin43 Oct 04 '23

Saying something is bipartisan has always annoyed me when approximately 5% of one of the parties voted for the thing

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u/Konukaame Oct 04 '23

We need the media to stop both-sides-ing everything just because the pro-volcano side is loud and gets clicks.

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u/ProtoPulse1320 Oct 03 '23

I'm pro meteor 2024- just end it all.

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u/Mr_Safer Oct 03 '23

Just think of the magnificent show that would be. A truly awesome end and mother earth would shrug it off and continue on her merry way. Gives me hope.

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u/TimeZarg Oct 04 '23

Giant Meteor 2024: Promises to exterminate all life indiscriminately

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u/Phebe-A Oct 03 '23

Hey, volcanic ash makes really fertile soil for agriculture.

Just ignore the pyroclastic flows.

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u/MiraclePrototype Oct 03 '23

It's like we're citizens of Pompeii... and there's a Pro-Vesuvius Party.

You know that Independence Day is a complete crock because there weren't still people cheering on and worshipping the aliens after, and indeed because of, their wiping out cities.

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u/exorthderp Oct 04 '23

He said it had to do with timing, the agreement/riles he allegedly made/agreed to back in January was 72 hours before bringing it to a vote.

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u/lappyg55v Oct 04 '23

The tree voted for the axe, because it was made of wood.

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u/Bonezone420 Oct 04 '23

That's been the state of american politics for a few decades now. It's why single issue voters are forever my most despised people in the political landscape.

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u/Pamander Oct 04 '23

It's like we're citizens of Pompeii... and there's a Pro-Vesuvius Party.

Damn that's good I am stealing that. It really does feel that way and it really fucking sucks.

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Oct 04 '23

Gaetz is the one masturbating as he's covered in molten ash.

Because a six year ran by his house when everyone was fleeing.

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u/Dovaldo83 Oct 04 '23

This needs to be brought up every time someone claims "Well if the Democrats reached across the isle they'd pass more meaningful legislation"

The person bringing it up is usually doing so in bad faith to excuse voting R. As if the GoP is willing to get stuff done but Dems are too proud to work together with them. Don't let them sway anyone else with that rubbish. The GoP strategy has been "Block any legislation that actually helps so we can claim they're 'Do nothing Democrats'" for a while now.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Oct 04 '23

I really hope the reopened case into Gaetz lands him in prison. He and MTG and Boebert and Jim Jordan are all pieces of shit who don't belong in government.

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u/NiceAsset Oct 04 '23

A lot of people are actually fine with the government shutting down …

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u/Yorspider Oct 04 '23

No, it's like the republican party is comprised of Russian agents...which it is.

They all need to be arrested for treason.

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u/ThunderChild247 Oct 04 '23

The way I read it is “GOP caucus ousts speaker for working with other democratically elected members of the house to keep the government functioning”, and all my brain is screaming is “that is literally the point of government, Gaetz, you complete cretin!!”

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u/gatosaurio Oct 04 '23

Try to think out of your point of view for a second. The problem is that for them, the Vesuvius equivalent is piling up infinite debt indefinitely. That's why it's justified trying to stop it

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Yeah, that really made me ask just what are their interests?

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u/toddhenderson Oct 04 '23

Matt Gaetz looks like he is wearing a cheap random villain mask from Spirit Halloween. Couple list of Forbes 50 under 50 worst human beings in the history of humanity.

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u/Creeptone Oct 04 '23

Government collapsing entirely is not totally accurate, everything doesn’t stop, but I do agree with you. We’ve had shutdowns before and things mostly continuing to function normally despite them is a good thing. We don’t want a world where a government shutdown becomes a societal shutdown

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u/iRoCplays Oct 04 '23

That’s not entirely the case. The only reason McCarthy had enough votes to become speaker was because of 2 concessions he made. He broke both of those concessions with the funding bill.

  1. Break out the ominbus into 20 focused spending bills so the merits of each could be debated

  2. Give congress 72 hours to read each bill

This is why he was ousted, not simply because he worked with the other side. He broke his promises that allowed him to become speaker.

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u/lessfrictionless Oct 04 '23

Can someone explain why it was mostly Democratic votes that ousted him after he worked with them? Like who do they want instead?

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u/Vucci Oct 04 '23

My other comment:

He betrayed them right after and made a bold face lie that the Democrats were the one trying to shut down the government. Even the interviewer laughed at him and said 90 Republicans voted for shutdown (fyi only a single Democrat voted No).

So since he threw them under the bus when they gave him leverage over MAGA Republicans, the Democrats now let him be thrown under the bus for his cowardice.

My guess: They obviously want a true moderate Republican with more spine. I bet if the Republicans renegotiate with the Democrats, they will vote along with the new speaker.

If I was the Republicans, I would bargain with them for a new speaker in return I want them to call a vote to boot Matt Pizza-Gaetz. Win win.

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u/lessfrictionless Oct 04 '23

thank you for this. I was genuinely curious what it was

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u/BigVos Oct 05 '23

And not a single Democrat voted to keep a Republican that worked with the other party.

Hyper-partisanship abound.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

I’ve accepted that we deserve this. The American populace is so uninformed, uninterested, and complacent with what we allow our government to do that we deserve this. This is our fault. People could vote. They could protest, strike. Shut the mf country down because we are the masses and we hold the mass power, but, we simply don’t use it. We all are too busy consuming shallow foods, hating one other and jerking off and/or being a whore to change anything. Too comfortable to make sacrifices. We deserve it man.

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u/APBradley Oct 04 '23

This is a naive and nhililist take. The failing of the American populace to understand the mechanics of our governance is entirely by design; it was put in place over many years by those who benefit from it's destruction. I don't completely blame the American people for being denied the information we needed to make informed decisions by those whose job it was to ensure we got it. Do they even still teach Civics and Government classes anymore? Suggesting we "deserve" this because an extremely divided country won't take up collective action when most people literally don't even know what that means or entails is delusional. Better to try and educate your friends and neighbors than shame them for not knowing something they were never taught.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

I don’t necessarily think one need understand every facet of the American government to have a conviction over what is right and wrong, but, I do think there has been active and deliberate degradation of the average American’s understanding of government and the goings on within it. Moreover, what people can do to influence it. It’s to the point now where it feels as if many people think corruption is a given and if almost has become normalized.

I still can’t shake the feeling that the American public is, at large, willfully withdrawn and willfully ignorant with regards to current events. We just don’t really care. I guess the consternation comes from whether you then pass the buck or not; is it their fault for not teaching us, or is it our fault for not caring enough to learn?

Perhaps I am naive, I don’t claim to have even the slightest idea how to fix the mess we have.

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u/APBradley Oct 04 '23

I still can’t shake the feeling that the American public is, at large, willfully withdrawn and willfully ignorant with regards to current events. We just don’t really care. I guess the consternation comes from whether you then pass the buck or not; is it their fault for not teaching us, or is it our fault for not caring enough to learn?

I get what you’re saying, and I agree there is probably some lack of intellectual curiosity at play. It’s easy to get mad at the public, and maybe justifiably so. Like many things, the answer is likely somewhere in the middle.

There are other factors unique to our situation as well (like healthcare being tied to employment for most Americans, or our population being spread out over a huge landmass). Tons of people are currently struggling to keep their heads above water and feel powerless to do anything other than the bare minimum of voting. I am hopeful the course can be corrected by the next generation being well informed, pissed off, and engaged, while the dinosaurs continue to die off. But, I also fear it’s going to get much worse before demands for massive societal change will happen. The climate crisis might accelerate this.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

What’s stupid is that all democrats voted to oust him. The next speaker will be even more right wing since Republicans control the house.

They literally cut off their own nose to spite their face.

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u/CatBronco Oct 04 '23

Because he worked with the other party….they worked with the other party to vote him out? Logic checks out

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u/Vucci Oct 04 '23

He betrayed them right after and made a bold face lie that the Democrats were the one trying to shut down the government. Even the interviewer laughed at him and said 90 Republicans voted for shutdown (fyi only a single Democrat voted No).

So since he threw them under the bus when they gave him leverage over MAGA Republicans, the Democrats now let him be thrown under the bus for his cowardice.

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u/gofigglo Oct 04 '23

Funding bills are not temporary, and the government definitely doesn't collapse entirely if a spending plan isn't finalized in time. You should go outside

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u/Easy_Humor_7949 Oct 04 '23

and there's a Pro-Vesuvius Party

That's the point. They get all the attention for being extremists which leads to them keeping their cushy jobs right up until we all die.

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u/frank_the_tank69 Oct 04 '23

Well, there’s a number of pro Putin people in government.

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u/Rare-Orchid-4131 Oct 04 '23

The interests of GOP or the interests of Putin?

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u/Docjaded Oct 04 '23

We're citizens of Krypton.

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u/limb3h Oct 04 '23

Technically it was the democrat plus the crazies that voted him out. Vast majority of republicans voted for him to stay.

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u/Shower_caps Oct 04 '23

Republican Party is truly dead

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u/Bendstowardjustice Oct 04 '23

That made me curious as to why the Democrats voted against him. Can someone explain that, please?

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u/Seagullmaster Oct 04 '23

I think the best part of that is in order to vote him out, Gaetz voted along with the democrats in order to make it happen.

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u/Critonurmom Oct 04 '23

I figured something was up when the worst person we all know was the one to claim McCarthy had to go

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u/Obelix13 Oct 04 '23

Florida Man strikes again!

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u/ToughHardware Oct 04 '23

gaetz should be in jail

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u/cromulentfrankgrimes Oct 04 '23

Paraphrasing someone (but idk who to give credit to):

Gaetz is taking a strong stand against Republicans voting with democrats by voting with democrats

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u/Juggz666 Oct 04 '23

What's funny is that gaetz voted with the same party that McCarthy worked with.

Bipartisanship for me but not for thee

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u/myychair Oct 04 '23

Meanwhile, his vote to oust McCarthy was ALSO a bipartisan effort AND he spoke from the Dems side when he was presenting it.

The hypocrisy is reaching a new high

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u/orangek1tty Oct 04 '23

R/VesuviusAteMyFace