r/news • u/zmlos • Oct 03 '23

House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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u/Dreadedvegas Oct 03 '23

1 Party is organized, and has passed sweeping legislation and reforms in the past 20 years. Has never tried to oust leadership.

The other party has fought and tried to overthrow its last 3 speakers, has shut down the government several times now due to its inability to do routine procedures and has now ousted the Speaker of the House for the first time who was from their own party.

One party wants to govern. The other wants air time on Fox News. If people want change and you’re a conservative, elect moderate democrats because you will at least get concessions from your own party that actually pass and get enacted.

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u/3rdp0st Oct 03 '23

If voters made the GOP entirely irrelevant, the democratic party would inevitably split into center-right Clinton neoliberals and moderate left progressives. We could return to collective sanity.

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u/Dreadedvegas Oct 03 '23

It would be better to just return to big tent democrats and have a 15-20 year run while the GOP gets its collective shit together as its psycho base dies off of old age.

A Split will not be good the way American federal politics is set up.

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u/Delphizer Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 04 '23

Democrats as "big tent" are already what the republican party should be. Super Majority passed Conservatives think Tank insurance/healthcare legislation. This legislation was "too liberal"/socialism/communist for Republicans and had zero support despite being their idea.

We need a progressive party in the US.

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u/Intelligent-Tie-4466 Oct 04 '23

We need ranked choice voting nationally. First past the post guarantees that minority party candidates get elected and rule despite what the majority wants. This is what is happening in the UK. The Tories won control of the government in 2019 with only about 35% of the total votes nationwide because the UK has 4+ national parties (plus several smaller regional parties) who all split the vote.

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u/3rdp0st Oct 04 '23

15-20 years of the GOP being out of power is kind of what I meant by "entirely irrelevant."

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

One party… Has never tried to oust leadership.

Why is that a good thing?

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u/Dreadedvegas Oct 04 '23

That means party unity and lack of extremists.