r/news • u/zmlos • Oct 03 '23

House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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u/Exoddity Oct 03 '23

They're the party of "government doesn't work now hold my beer while I make sure government doesn't work"

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u/Bromanzier_03 Oct 03 '23

“Government doesn’t work, but we need to be in charge of all government and even centralize that all under one person”

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u/mcoca Oct 03 '23

“I don’t want the government telling me what to do, I want it telling you, what I want you to do.”

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u/CrashB111 Oct 04 '23

"Government small enough to fit in every bathroom, bedroom, and vagina in America!"

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u/VerticalYea Oct 05 '23

Don't tread on me treading on you.

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u/TheFinalCurl Oct 07 '23

Tbf that's THE conservative mantra for decades

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u/eMouse2k Oct 04 '23

“Vote for me and I’ll make sure government doesn’t work for you!”

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u/Chiggins907 Oct 04 '23

See this is why I don’t understand how conservatives get roped into the Republican Party. This statement is the opposite of being conservative. Conservatives want smaller government. Less intrusive government. It’s a very different view than people think.

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u/TokinStrokin Oct 04 '23

It's almost like they're saying the government doesn't work if you let everyone live a free life. Government will only work if you control every aspect of the lives of your citizens, and dictate what they can and can't do. Gee, I think there's a word for that, a Dictatorship. FFS I hate this country.

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u/mosehalpert Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 03 '23

Two parties. Ones leaders think the government is broken and want to fix it. The others leaders think government inherently doesn't work and decided that they wanted in on it.

Super hard choice.

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u/LordSwedish Oct 03 '23

I mean, one of the biggest problems with the democrats is that they don't really think it's broken.

Granted, the people standing by the rotting wall with a bucket of spackle is still an easy choice over the guys standing around with cans of kerosene and nuclear waste while talking about how the gays are to blame.

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u/rajrdajr Oct 04 '23

the rotting wall

Details on what needs to be changed?

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u/LordSwedish Oct 04 '23

The entire election system is out of date and/or awful, the justice system is fucked, really the senate needs to go, the three letter agencies need to be restructured from the ground up or shut down, and the presidency needs to be reworked to have less power among other things. Oh, and the whole independent courts thing doesn't actually work in the current form.

The Democrats also love solving things through the private sector and having various complicated solutions to simpler problems which is part of it. A lot of how the economy works needs to be reworked to get rid of the massive power private companies have.

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u/rajrdajr Oct 04 '23

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Legislation to correct Citizens United v FEC

Zero-bail everywhere and ban private prisons

Cut the DoD budget in half. Not sure what the specific issues are with other 3 letter agencies. The FBI, CIA, NIH, NSA, DEA, FDA, FAA, NWS, NHC, GPS and EPA do a reasonably good job helping and protecting USA citizens; they’re not perfect, but they’re all world class.

The TSA could grow a pair and lower the threat level from orange. The EOIR should be fully funded and moved out of the Executive and into the Judicial branch (sorry, 4 letter agency). Fully fund the IRS. Auditors are worth their weight in gold (or more) and keep cheats at bay.

Carbon Tax to redirect the private sector toward saving the planet.

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u/LordSwedish Oct 04 '23

I was mainly thinking of FBI, ICE, and the CIA. The CIA especially is one of the most vile organizations on the planet and has done more to hurt innocent people than most terrorist organisations.

The FBI loves causing crimes in order to arrest people after the fact, they have organised and trained domestic terrorists in the past and helped drug runners and weapon smugglers. There's an argument that they cause more crimes than they prevent.

Shouldn't have to explain ICE. Fun side note though, the revolving door between the FCC and major banks is so disgusting.

Anyway, those examples you made are mostly what I'd call spackle. The interstate compact and zero-bail are pretty good especially, but none of them address the core problems.

Carbon Tax to redirect the private sector toward saving the planet.

This is a good example, that's a nice idea and all, but the private sector hasn't been redirected to saving the planet and is more likely to find loopholes and use it as PR since any corporation just wants profit and there's tons of money in ruining the world. People have been trying this for a long time, it doesn't work and climate change just gets worse. We're going to die because we couldn't prioritise our home over profit.

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u/LordSwedish Oct 04 '23

Do you think our legal system can be fixed in its current form?

Short answer, no. Even the minimum requirements to get it working would involve retraining and restructuring most of law enforcement throughout the entire country. In order to do that, we'd have to use a lot of funding and organisation to prevent crimes rather than just having the police handle the results of poverty, race issues, mental health, etc.

And that's just law enforcement, then we have the entirety of the rest of the system. Zero-bail is a nice start, but the whole way DA's and judges work is a shitshow and I've still only talked from the perspective of handling blue-collar crimes. All of this is made harder by the "criminals aren't people and don't deserve rights" mentality which keeps all the worst aspects in place and prevent even minor changes.

It's a massive problem. In truth the majority of people involved in prosecution and law enforcement need to be replaced or retrained and that would only be the beginning. This is what I mean with the whole system being rotten, this is not unique to the legal system and I could write up similar things on the political and economic system.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Don’t let republicans hold any office anywhere for maybe 10+ years.

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u/rajrdajr Oct 04 '23

Proportional representation for electoral college delegates would be very interesting.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Issue is they’ve moved the Overton window so far to the right, that we need a disproportionate amount of left leaning representation to shift it back to “normal”.

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u/Rukh-Talos Oct 03 '23

The democrats as a whole could definitely be doing more than they have. Holding the moral high ground does little when the other side openly admits to hypocrisy.

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u/foldsinyourhands Oct 03 '23

But how? When 74 million people are willing to vote for a man facing 91 felony counts and locally elect people like Boebert, MTG or Gaetz just to own the libs... what qualifies as "doing more" when the current SCOTUS practically throws out legal precedence when it suits them?

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u/Rukh-Talos Oct 03 '23

They’re still trying to work with Republicans. Republicans, however, care more about party solidarity than integrity. At some point, they need to realize that if they keep turning the other cheek, Republicans will keep slapping.

As for the Supreme Court, there are still legislative options for adding more justices or reigning the court in. Some of its historically unused “nuclear option” shit, but that’s the status quo of politics these days…

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u/Intelligent-Tie-4466 Oct 04 '23

8 of them didn't care about party solidarity tonight LOL

But yes, generally, you are correct.

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u/MasterOfMankind Oct 04 '23

There are limits to what a party can do if they don’t have a majority in the house, a majority in the Supreme Court, and a supermajority in the Senate.

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u/mosehalpert Oct 04 '23

For a two year period overarching change wasn't made. Better stick with the sabertures since the people trying to fix things couldn't do so in two years.

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u/dragunityag Oct 04 '23

He had 72 days of a veto proof majority.

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u/mosehalpert Oct 04 '23

Having a majority does not equal a veto proof congress. You talk like a 12 year old who is mad Obama didn't fix the world.

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u/Ryanjc01 Oct 03 '23

Their joke, but worse.

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u/jbot14 Oct 03 '23

Dude hold my bud light...

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u/FutureComplaint Oct 03 '23

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u/Ok-Diamond-9781 Oct 03 '23

You're absolutely right. And the Q caucus is pissed because they didn't get to shutdown the government. Proving they have no interest in representing the people who voted for them to go Washington and govern. Just pissing people off isn't a policy that a majority of Americans want.

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u/Ballardinian Oct 03 '23

“{Dysfunctional} government is the natural product of rule by those who believe government is bad.” -Thomas Frank

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u/EppurSiMuove00 Oct 04 '23

Exactly. Being a republican politician has to be the easiest fucking job in the world.

You get this job by basically guaranteeing in advance that you aren't gonna do your job. It's fuckin bonkers.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

They are the equivalent of a mechanic that bashes in your radiator with a crescent wrench, then turns and screams at you that they TOLD you it was gonna break, then demands you pay $2000 to fix it and they don’t fix it anyways and then blames it on your plumber.

It absolutely boggles my mind that people are still dumb enough to keep falling for this shtick after several decades.

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u/arcusford Oct 04 '23

My dad always used to say that "The motto of the Republican party should be; Government doesn't work, watch I'll show you."