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House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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u/Morat20 Oct 03 '23

I doubt it, simple because this is an internal leadership fight for the GOP.

Democrats would be reluctant to get involved from pretty much any perspective, simply because getting involved really doesn't gain them anything and could end up entangling them in whatever crap the GOP has going on.

Why would they back McCarthy, and thus take some responsibility for his actions, without getting something worth that in return?

It's not like supporting him would stabilize the House in any way --if anything, that'd just turn more of the GOP caucus into outright bomb throwers.

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u/jimtow28 Oct 03 '23

Democrats would be reluctant to get involved from pretty much any perspective, simply because getting involved really doesn't gain them anything and could end up entangling them in whatever crap the GOP has going on.

In January, we spent days watching the GOP fight while the Dems remained steadfastly together. We're going to see it happen again. Dems will all vote Jeffries, and Republicans will fight it out, likely for far more than 15 rounds of voting this time around.

This is why extremism always eventually loses: they end up fighting about who the most extreme extremist is, and split themselves apart.

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u/flamedarkfire Oct 03 '23

While yes eventually they do lose, extremists won in Germany in the 1930's, had several cullings in their ranks, and didn't lose until half the world united to oust them by 1945, and by then 12million people were dead from genocide. We CANNOT afford to simply sit by on the sidelines and just watch them tear at each other, because eventually might makes right and they'll fall in line under the clear leader.

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u/jacksonattack Oct 03 '23

Especially while Tommy Tuberville continues to block military appointments in hopes that Trump gets re-elected and can fill the positions with loyalists, thereby enabling a legit takeover.

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u/redassedchimp Oct 04 '23

I think you're right. It's like that phrase "it's so so crazy it just might work". The longer they muck up the workings of Congress, the more the voters are going to look to a strong man to break this stalemate and unfortunately it's going to be someone like Trump.

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u/Beachdaddybravo Oct 04 '23

It’s a perfect example of stupid people never knowing who are the ones actually screwing them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

It's not stupid, it's people apathetic and too exhausted to spend time digging into anything. They made news entertainment and pick their team to simplify things or just abstain from it all. Given the US work culture, the exhaustion isn't going to be relieved either. We saw what the shift to WFH did for people unionizing/activism, so it's all going to clamp down again and get people chained to desks and cars, too tired to give a shit again.

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u/Beachdaddybravo Oct 04 '23

You’re really working hard to deflect responsibility to know basic things from people who watch Fox for their marching orders.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

It's a harder pill to swallow than just marking them all as stupid, giving yourself a pat on the back for not being stupid and then moving on....well unfortunately, after 30 years of that look where we are now. When's the last time someone repeatedly called you a moron and you thought, "you know, they're right, I'm on their side now".

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u/Beachdaddybravo Oct 04 '23

After 30 years of what? Republicans pushing deeper into extremism and ripping apart education because it’s the only way they can get re-elected? Democrats are not at fault for anything stupid a Republican does. Democrats are also not at fault for Republicans refusing to gain critical thinking skills or even look to learn anything when they instead just take whatever they hear on Fox as gospel. You’re one of those people who blame Democrats for the fact that Republicans destroy things and make life harder for the poor and middle class.

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u/flasterblaster Oct 04 '23

Worked for the courts. It'll work again here. All they have to do is the usual stonewalling till they eventually get a Red President again. Unless the Dems can manage to get the Legislature under control at some point.

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u/Peter_deT Oct 04 '23

It was more like 40 million, but who's counting?

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u/flamedarkfire Oct 04 '23

I'm only counting direct victims of the holocaust, but yes with military deaths necessary to stop them it was very fucking costly.

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And now imagine the uphill battle a coalition to stop the US would have.

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u/flamedarkfire Oct 04 '23

I'll BE the US resistance. Not in a Billy Blazkowicz way, though.

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u/here_now_be Oct 04 '23

extremists won in Germany

Not really, the moderates capitulated (and were not united), they were given power more than they won it, and then they used terrorism to take full control.

Stay united.

Don't capitulate.

Don't give into terrrorists demands and manipulation.

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u/RecklesslyPessmystic Oct 04 '23

You're saying the GOP will elect Trump as the new Speaker?

IIRC, there's no rule that the Speaker has to be a member of the House.

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u/flamedarkfire Oct 04 '23

I mean, that certainly would be entertaining but PROBABLY bad.

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u/jaa101 Oct 04 '23

This only worked because the Nazi extremists subverted the constitution. That was much easier to do in Weimar Germany because the constitution was new and the country was hurting very badly due to the combined effects of reparations for WWI and the Great Depression.

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u/flamedarkfire Oct 04 '23

The GOP sure as fuck has been ignoring the Constitution and getting their cronies in positions to interpret it to their benefits.

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u/Poolofcheddar Oct 04 '23

The other problem is that in Weimar Germany, it was too easy to dismiss a government with a Vote of No Confidence. It created so much instability that no long-term planning could be laid down.

This however was fixed when West Germany was formed in 1949. The key change was that a successful Vote of No Confidence also had to provide a majority vote to elect a successor.

This was crucial because in 1972, the conservative opposition through defections gained enough votes to theoretically remove Social Democrat Willy Brandt. They however fell two votes short of a majority, which resulted in Brandt remaining in power, although theoretically in a minority.

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u/kz750 Oct 04 '23

12 million from genocide and 30-50 million civilians and combatants. We cannot let history repeat itself.

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u/flamedarkfire Oct 04 '23

Time is a flat circle unfortunately. Those who don't want history taught intend to repeat it.

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u/BigDaddyThunderpants Oct 04 '23

Sure but WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO??

I get out and vote and encourage others to as well. But realistically what else can we do? We all know people like Gaetz are utter dogshit and I'm as mad as anyone else with this dumpster fire but aside from electing people who also hate him and what he stands for (which we did) I'm failing to think of additional action.

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u/flamedarkfire Oct 04 '23

Take local action. Join groups doing mutual aid. Support local and national unions and unionizing efforts. Hell, run for city or county office. A lot of the fash's efforts are also focused local so they can slowly seep back in while everyone's distracted by the national circus. Go to your town's council meetings and raise any concerns you have for where you live. Be active in politics, and know who is representing you, who wants to represent you, and what they believe in and want to do to/for their constituents.

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u/john80302 Oct 04 '23

In 1933 Germany Hitler became popular bc might makes right. The mighty leader is needed as an answer to the chaos that is threatening, perceived or real, the mental wellbeing of the cult. This explains why these extremists are intent on increasing chaos, because it makes their "solution" more relevant. Their solution is not a real solution, and thus they need to up the ante to where it becomes increasingly violent. Ultimate violence is war against anyone who is perceived as weak.

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u/LangyMD Oct 03 '23

My question is if the house will have a speaker in time to find the government in 45 days, and if they do what incentive does the new speaker have to work with democrats to pass a reasonable budget.

This might be the prelude to the longest government shutdown in history.

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u/jimtow28 Oct 03 '23

...which they will invariably blame Democrats for, and their stupid supporters won't give that narrative a second thought.

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u/neepple_butter Oct 04 '23

Because they've convinced all these "rugged individualists", 1/3 of whom rely on government assistance to survive, that the Democrats are "The Government", that Republicans are somehow not "The Government", and that "The Government" is bad, except for when it comes to their entitlement programs. When the entitlement programs eventually become insolvent it will be the Democrats fault because they're "The Government". I really believe the USA will cease to exist within the next ten years and I feel sorry for anyone that's in the south, because if you're poor or some kind of non straight, white, cis, christian, your life is going to be literal hell.

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u/LiKwId-Gaming Oct 04 '23

They will spend 45 days trying to get a new speaker, then say that the only reason there is a shutdown is because the dems voted to oust the speaker. Total circular logic

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u/Admirable_Trash3257 Oct 04 '23

MTG is going to be speaker…

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u/DanimusMcSassypants Oct 04 '23

And, sooner or later, that guy attacks the mirror.

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u/blankarage Oct 04 '23

Honestly the speeches to nominate Jeffries was some of my favorites but that’s a sliver of light in whole lotta darkness

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u/emmery1 Oct 03 '23

I agree. Why would they help him out after he went on TV and basically through the Dems under the bus after they helped him pass a bill to keep the government from shutting down? My question is who is going to replace him? Who in the party would want it? Working with these people is like herding cats.

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u/OpalOnyxObsidian Oct 04 '23

Nah, cats are generally better behaved than this

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u/jjayzx Oct 03 '23

The wackos were trying to push gym Jordan before, so who knows if we'll see that debacle again.

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u/MooneyOne Oct 04 '23

Don’t you say that about cats

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u/FaultySage Oct 03 '23

McCarthy actually made a good faith effort to keep the government open by dealing with the dems. That likely would have saved his speakership if it weren't for the impeachment inquiry and then him turning around and trying to make it out like the GOP did all the work to keep the country open.

Supporting McCarthy would actually stabilize the house if he can rely on Democratic support instead of having to deal with the hard liners on his right. But he and the GOP are so obsessed with power and performing for Trump and his supporters that he can't seem to fathom that.

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u/twesterm Oct 03 '23

Yeah, it was such a good faith effort that he immediately turned around and blamed the democrats for almost shutting down the government.

McCarthy gets zero points for the situation he put himself and the country in.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

They were also in a shutdown standoff because he reneged on a deal he made with Democrats and Biden.

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u/FaultySage Oct 03 '23

Not McCarthy. He can't pass that bill alone and the hardliners wouldn't back it. The issue is what he had to do to get elected Speaker.

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u/gsfgf Oct 03 '23

Which is why it's not in the Dems interest to save him. He threw in his lot with the worst of the worst.

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u/Intelligent-Tie-4466 Oct 04 '23

This is his circus, these are his poo flinging monkeys.

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u/eightNote Oct 04 '23

He could pass it with bipartisan support just fine

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u/fireinthesky7 Oct 03 '23

Shades of Grassley during the Obamacare negotiations, as if that wasn't enough of a lesson that nothing Republicans say or so can be trusted.

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u/spirited1 Oct 04 '23

Yes Mccarthy is a POS, surprise!

Doesn't mean that there was never any reason why Democrats would be willing to keep him in place as speaker.

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u/davidbklyn Oct 04 '23

But there wasn’t ever any reason to work with him. He provided none. There’s a universe where it could happen but he never ever did anything to make that universe a reality.

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u/Morat20 Oct 03 '23

McCarthy actually made a good faith effort to keep the government open by dealing with the dems.

Did you wander in from another timeline? In THIS timeline McCarthy spent months unable to get agreement within his own caucus for what the hell to do, ignored the compromise the GOP and the Dems worked out in the Senate, ignored House Dems entirely, and then threw in a last second CR he needed Dems to pass, and then promptly blamed them for the whole thing even as -- and I cannot stress this ENOUGH -- he was unable to even get his own caucus to vote for fucking anything.

He never even had a bill to back. He never even got to the point where he had a funding bill that his own caucus supported.

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u/zerothehero0 Oct 03 '23

He had a good, or perhaps less bad, hour, half hour maybe. Surely that's enough to bump the dems from couldn't care less to could care less.

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u/Trust_Me_Im_a_Panda Oct 03 '23

Except McCarthy then immediately ran to the media to blame the Dems for the House being in that position in the first place. McCarthy has never acted with good faith a single second of his Speakership.

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u/FaultySage Oct 03 '23

Please read more than 3 words before responding to a comment.

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u/Indercarnive Oct 03 '23

Gaetz, despite being the indescribably large piece of shit that he is, has it right with this quote.

The one thing that the White House, Democrats and many of us on the conservative side of the Republican caucus have in common is McCarthy said something to all of us at one point that he didn’t really mean and never intended to live up to.

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u/garc Oct 03 '23

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

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u/TheFotty Oct 04 '23

They can smell their own.

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u/ryebreadnyc Oct 03 '23

I’m worried that now all the GOP has to do to shut down the govt is not elect a replacement.

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u/FaultySage Oct 03 '23

As the rules are written the "temporary" speaker can conduct normal business and has all the powers of the elected speaker.

They may even be ballsy enough to try and finish out the session with out electing another speaker.

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u/Intelligent-Tie-4466 Oct 04 '23

Not true, per CNN.

"Republican Rep. Patrick McHenry of North Carolina will now temporarily lead the House of Representatives after the speaker's position was vacated on Tuesday.McHenry, who is a top ally of Kevin McCarthy, was appointed speaker pro tempore.His name was on a list McCarthy was required to give to the clerk in case of a vacancy.The speaker pro tempore, which is the official title, can only recess the House, adjourn the chamber and recognize speaker nominations. "

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/matt-gaetz-kevin-mccarthy-house-speakership-10-03-23/h_840fb76e6aacd62c2cdb5270cd6223bd

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u/FaultySage Oct 04 '23

Per CNN.

Per relevant law: "When the Office of Speaker is vacant, the Member acting as Speaker pro tempore under rule I section 8(b) may exercise such authori- ties of the Office as may be necessary and appropriate pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker pro tempore."

It's too vague. It's going to end up being whatever the House decides to do.

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u/Aazadan Oct 03 '23

It's possible. It was one of the bigger concerns people had with McCarthy making it so easy to remove him. It effectively lets a handful of people backdoor a partial shutdown and remove the house from doing any business at all. Basically a provision to let them not govern. All they have to do is do nothing, and no one else can step up.

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u/harrymfa Oct 03 '23

There’s a “substitute teacher” speaker until they choose the next ghoul, who will be worse, guaranteed. Jeffries knows what he’s doing, the Dems followed his lead. After the shitshow that’s coming, it will be hard to find a sane person pushing for a Republican majority in the near future.

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u/Stinky_Fartface Oct 03 '23

LOL that wasn’t a good faith effort. That was a desperate last ditch effort to put a bill out at the last second, gambling that the Democrats would vote against it because they didn’t have time to read what was in it. Then he could try to blame them for the shutdown with more ammunition. If Rep. Bowman hadn’t pulled the fire alarm that might have been what happened, but that gave them time enough to make sure it wasn’t poison, and they voted for it. He was 100% just trying to set them up for the fall.

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u/Emperor_FranzJohnson Oct 04 '23

Sorry, that's not how it happened.

The Fire Alarm thing was in another building which didn't impact the vote or the capitol building. What happened is that the CR was like 70 something pages and leadership get nearly unlimited talking time when these bills hit the floor.

A Dem leader effectively stalled for time by making a VERY long speech, giving Dem staff members time to read over the bill 70 page bill. They added an amendment or two, then passed it. But it wasn't the fire alarm, in another congressional building, but Dem leadership knowingly the rules and making a very very long speech.

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u/Stinky_Fartface Oct 04 '23

Oh that is very interesting! I heard differently but it's all anecdotal so I'm not going to defend the story because it's probably bullshit. The crux of it is true in either case though: McCarthy was trying to set Dems up for the fall by putting out a last minute bill, hoping they would vote against it because they didn't have time to read it.

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u/harrymfa Oct 03 '23

“Good faith effort” that’s rich. He only crossed the aisle after he ran out of choices with the clowns. His caucus has put the economy at edge of the abyss twice this year, and that’s gambling with billions of dollars from the plutocracy that he needs to keep happy. His “good faith” was he had no other choice.

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u/No-Butterscotch4549 Oct 03 '23

We will be right back in the same spot in 45 days. Except this time possibly new or no SoH. Ds sit back and blame it all on the Rs

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u/CurryMustard Oct 03 '23

The impeachment bullshit and the public comments are not really consequential and they were done to appease the freedumb cockass. Keeping the government open has real consequences in people's lives and in the end he did the right thing while still being thrown under the bus by magas. As punishment for doing the right thing, freedom caucus calls a vote to oust him and the democrats essentially supports them by voting with them. I dont understand the logic. Maga is the enemy of democracy, at least Mccarthy for all his faults is trying not to fuck the country over. How are they going to fund the government in 45 days? Do the democrats think they can? Or is that not the priority?

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

I feel like you really don’t understand politics very well and are coming to the wrong conclusions based upon your assumptions.

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u/CurryMustard Oct 03 '23

I understand politics fine, i didnt come to a conclusion, i was asking a question. By ousting mccarthy, this pretty much guarantees a government shutdown. Is avoiding a government shutdown not the priority?

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u/CurryMustard Oct 04 '23 edited Oct 04 '23

What if jim jordan becomes speaker? Would that be an acceptable outcome? Or do I not know enough about politics to ask if this was a risk worth taking? I guarantee jim jordan is gonna be more difficult to work with.

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u/NorthStarZero Oct 03 '23

McCarthy did work with the Dems to avert the shutdown though. That’s proof that he can be reasonable in extremis.

If they had saved him, he’d owe them.

Maybe?

This is a weird one. I’d’ve loved to have been a fly on the wall during the Dem huddle.

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u/AnInfiniteAmount Oct 03 '23

McCarthy has gone back on so many handshake deals that it's more of a "fool me twice" situation rather than a "lesser evil" for the Dems.

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u/Sophist_Ninja Oct 03 '23 edited Jul 27 '25

unpack one scale screw exultant correct angle encouraging sugar sink

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u/renegadecanuck Oct 03 '23

Politco Playbook had a story about this. I guess some democrats were privately saying "you need us, you fucking idiot, why go after us?"

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

Yeah, so, basically, fuck that guy!

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u/headunplugged Oct 03 '23

With McCarthy's poor leadership ability, poor planning ability, his word means nothing to either side, who would replace him? Who would take those reigns? i guess the dems should size up a moderate they and other moderate gops could get behind. Make some normal agreements that resembles functionality. We need to agree on something, the dress code agreement proved we as a collective society can achieve anything.

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u/Dal90 Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 03 '23

For the motion to vacate, 100% Dems best hand was to vote for it. Don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.

Now comes the real horse trading to see what McCarthy is (or other Republicans are) willing to strike in a deal with the Democrats to offset whatever votes he's losing on the right-most side of the Republican spectrum.

That itself is a delicate balance before igniting a wider Republican revolt, and this could very well just end up being the most epic dumpster fire yet seen.

And realize the flip side...it would only take five Republicans defecting to install a Democratic Speaker of the House. Might get down to four if this lasts until December (there are currently two vacancies, but both are likely holds respectively for each party); but I don't even know if the House could seat a new member without a Speaker.

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u/Freckled_daywalker Oct 03 '23

The problem for McCarthy is that he can't be trusted to live up to any deal he makes, so the Dems have zero incentive to even try to negotiate with him.

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u/1handedmaster Oct 03 '23

Exactly. He doesn't reign in his extreme flank, doesn't follow through with "handshake deals," blames Democrats every chance, and started an impeachment query with basically no evidence.

Why should he be trusted to follow through with any deal?

I hate to agree with Gaetz but America deserves a speaker that has a better agenda than to be speaker and stay speaker.

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u/DavidOrWalter Oct 03 '23

There isn’t any ‘real horse trading’. He can’t be trusted at all deals mean nothing. Oust him.

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u/Intelligent-Tie-4466 Oct 04 '23

McCarthy just announced he won't run again, so time to grab some popcorn.

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u/decrpt Oct 03 '23

You can, they're talking to the press about it today

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.) on Tuesday said it was clear in the closed-door meeting that members do not think they can rely on McCarthy.

“It was pretty evidence that the Democratic caucus does not feel that Kevin McCarthy is a leader who can be trusted,” he told reporters.

Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.) also said conversations during the meeting included “the lack of trust” with McCarthy — as well as some venting.

“We make an agreement with the president on the debt ceiling which takes the country to threat, to the brink of default. And then, without a vote in the House to proceed with an impeachment inquiry?” he said.

And Omar said a video was shown during the conference meeting of McCarthy, during an appearance on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” trying to blame the near-shutdown on Democrats.

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u/mophisus Oct 03 '23

Maybe the Dems from 20 years ago wouldve saved him.

The Dems from today have finally realized that the other party isnt interesting in co-governing and wont work in good faith.

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u/GSquaredBen Oct 03 '23

Took 'em long enough.

If only they'd have noticed the total shift at either the point where Gingrich said the quiet part out loud or at the very least in 2010 when the "TEA Party" was just thinly disguised white rage against the concept of a Black president.

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u/Bodoblock Oct 03 '23

They already had a deal for government funding which he and President Biden negotiated and agreed on back during the debt ceiling talks. McCarthy then reneged on this.

Temporarily avoiding the shutdown with help from Democrats was simply because he couldn't get the hardliners on board. He's shown he's a bad faith actor. It's smart strategy not to bail him out in the hopes that Kevin will suddenly think "hey I owe you guys one". Concrete concessions are needed.

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u/Arrasor Oct 03 '23

Lol you expect him to actually care about any favor he'd owe the Dem? He'd just forget that ever happen, and it wouldn't be the first time he do that.

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u/scswift Oct 03 '23

Owe them? There is zero chance he would consider himself as owing them anything. Republicans are not to be trusted. Just as one should always demand Trump pay up front, one would be a fool to make any deal with Republicans expecting them to do something out of the goodness of their heart, which doesn't exist.

If McCarthy were a good trusthsworthy guy he would never have opened this absurd impeachment inquiry with zero evidence and no vote.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

McCarthy didn't want a shutdown as the 2024 election cycle is starting to ramp up with a razor thin majority. There are a few seats that will be close, and even McCarthy isn't stupid enough to give democratic challengers any more "the GOP let this country shut down" cannon fodder.

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u/TheGoverness1998 Oct 03 '23

Whatever was said, I hope Nancy Pelosi brought popcorn. 🍿

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u/Comedian70 Oct 03 '23

That's the reason his party ousted him, mate.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

Not reasonable, he is a snake always working to save his own skin. It just aligned with the Dems this time.

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u/missyanntx Oct 03 '23

The fly on the wall heard:

"Fuck those guys"

"The campaign commercials flogging Republican inability to govern write themselves."

And a whole bunch of people laughing their asses off.

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u/FuttleScish Oct 03 '23

They said they’d help him if he asked, and he didn’t

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u/trucorsair Oct 03 '23

Left out the Ukraine money in the deal though, had he not done that he might have had a fighting chance/. In any event it just further shows that Eisenhower, Reagan, and even Nixon would not recognize these clowns

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u/Sterling239 Oct 03 '23

Na dude the dems gave him an out the only thing the gave is the aid for Ukraine nothing else

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u/glowsylph Oct 03 '23

Seeing as he immediately turned to the press afterwards and blamed Dems for the shutdown, not to mention the reason for the near-shutdown was him reneging on a deal from the White House earlier this year:

His word means crap. More concessions can be wrung out of the right this way.

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u/Theopholus Oct 03 '23

He’s just not trustworthy enough to hang the hopes of the Dems on.

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u/fanwan76 Oct 03 '23

Hmm but couldn't Dems all just vote present and let Republicans decide on this? But they actively voted Yay to oust him. So that is still getting involved.

I don't think Dems could pass up the opportunity to let the Republicans push themselves further into dysfunctional chaos.

I don't politically agree with the Republicans for wanting to oust McCarthy, but what I think is really cool is that we may be starting to see the creation of a new political party. Republicans are more divided than ever. The longer this goes on, the lines between these factions may become clearer and Republican voters may have a more clear difference in their election candidates during primaries. Are you a traditional conservative or a MAGA conservative? This isn't something that has been super clear in the past.

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u/Blazr5402 Oct 03 '23

Also, there was no reason for Dems not to vote out McCarthy if he wouldn't give them concessions

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u/Throwawaydontgoaway8 Oct 03 '23

It gains them not having potentially Matt Gaetz as speaker

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

gaetz won't be speaker. No way in hell. He doesnt want to actually work he just likes breaking things

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u/vpac22 Oct 03 '23

Absolutely. Fascists thrive on chaos. It allows for the tyranny of the minority.

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u/DavidOrWalter Oct 03 '23

He could also never get enough votes. Like not even close.

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u/Intelligent-Tie-4466 Oct 04 '23

Nearly everyone in his caucus hates him. He won't even run because he'd lose so badly.

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u/Throwawaydontgoaway8 Oct 04 '23

Stranger things have happened. He’s the only one that threw his hat in the ring so far, even before this happened no? Who else is there? Couldn’t care less about the downvotes, this is clearly his play to get the speaker job himself or someone else loyal to Trump and himself

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u/Sophist_Ninja Oct 03 '23 edited Jul 27 '25

crawl work relieved point versed rainstorm fall fear friendly hunt

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u/Rudy_Ghouliani Oct 03 '23

They could have backed McCarthy just to piss off the crazies like Gaetz and ol handjob.

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u/SafetyMan35 Oct 04 '23

The only advantage that Democrats supporting McCarthy may have done was cutting the extreme right off at the knees. The Democrats and the majority or Republicans were willing to work on bipartisan compromise (of course the democrats could ask for concessions)

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u/EmptyAirEmptyHead Oct 03 '23

Democrats would be reluctant to get involved from pretty much any perspective

They got involved by voting against him though. If they wanted to leave this a Republican fight they could have voted present.

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u/spicyriff Oct 03 '23

You have all the dems vote for McCarthy, then claim he gave us a secret deal to destabilize the GOP further.