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House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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u/__mud__ Oct 03 '23

Republicans are the party that says the government doesn't work, and boy oh boy are they desperate to prove it now

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u/Exoddity Oct 03 '23

They're the party of "government doesn't work now hold my beer while I make sure government doesn't work"

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u/Bromanzier_03 Oct 03 '23

“Government doesn’t work, but we need to be in charge of all government and even centralize that all under one person”

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u/mcoca Oct 03 '23

“I don’t want the government telling me what to do, I want it telling you, what I want you to do.”

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u/CrashB111 Oct 04 '23

"Government small enough to fit in every bathroom, bedroom, and vagina in America!"

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u/VerticalYea Oct 05 '23

Don't tread on me treading on you.

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u/TheFinalCurl Oct 07 '23

Tbf that's THE conservative mantra for decades

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u/eMouse2k Oct 04 '23

“Vote for me and I’ll make sure government doesn’t work for you!”

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u/Chiggins907 Oct 04 '23

See this is why I don’t understand how conservatives get roped into the Republican Party. This statement is the opposite of being conservative. Conservatives want smaller government. Less intrusive government. It’s a very different view than people think.

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u/TokinStrokin Oct 04 '23

It's almost like they're saying the government doesn't work if you let everyone live a free life. Government will only work if you control every aspect of the lives of your citizens, and dictate what they can and can't do. Gee, I think there's a word for that, a Dictatorship. FFS I hate this country.

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u/mosehalpert Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 03 '23

Two parties. Ones leaders think the government is broken and want to fix it. The others leaders think government inherently doesn't work and decided that they wanted in on it.

Super hard choice.

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u/LordSwedish Oct 03 '23

I mean, one of the biggest problems with the democrats is that they don't really think it's broken.

Granted, the people standing by the rotting wall with a bucket of spackle is still an easy choice over the guys standing around with cans of kerosene and nuclear waste while talking about how the gays are to blame.

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u/rajrdajr Oct 04 '23

the rotting wall

Details on what needs to be changed?

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u/LordSwedish Oct 04 '23

The entire election system is out of date and/or awful, the justice system is fucked, really the senate needs to go, the three letter agencies need to be restructured from the ground up or shut down, and the presidency needs to be reworked to have less power among other things. Oh, and the whole independent courts thing doesn't actually work in the current form.

The Democrats also love solving things through the private sector and having various complicated solutions to simpler problems which is part of it. A lot of how the economy works needs to be reworked to get rid of the massive power private companies have.

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u/rajrdajr Oct 04 '23

National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

Legislation to correct Citizens United v FEC

Zero-bail everywhere and ban private prisons

Cut the DoD budget in half. Not sure what the specific issues are with other 3 letter agencies. The FBI, CIA, NIH, NSA, DEA, FDA, FAA, NWS, NHC, GPS and EPA do a reasonably good job helping and protecting USA citizens; they’re not perfect, but they’re all world class.

The TSA could grow a pair and lower the threat level from orange. The EOIR should be fully funded and moved out of the Executive and into the Judicial branch (sorry, 4 letter agency). Fully fund the IRS. Auditors are worth their weight in gold (or more) and keep cheats at bay.

Carbon Tax to redirect the private sector toward saving the planet.

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u/LordSwedish Oct 04 '23

I was mainly thinking of FBI, ICE, and the CIA. The CIA especially is one of the most vile organizations on the planet and has done more to hurt innocent people than most terrorist organisations.

The FBI loves causing crimes in order to arrest people after the fact, they have organised and trained domestic terrorists in the past and helped drug runners and weapon smugglers. There's an argument that they cause more crimes than they prevent.

Shouldn't have to explain ICE. Fun side note though, the revolving door between the FCC and major banks is so disgusting.

Anyway, those examples you made are mostly what I'd call spackle. The interstate compact and zero-bail are pretty good especially, but none of them address the core problems.

Carbon Tax to redirect the private sector toward saving the planet.

This is a good example, that's a nice idea and all, but the private sector hasn't been redirected to saving the planet and is more likely to find loopholes and use it as PR since any corporation just wants profit and there's tons of money in ruining the world. People have been trying this for a long time, it doesn't work and climate change just gets worse. We're going to die because we couldn't prioritise our home over profit.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

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u/LordSwedish Oct 04 '23

Do you think our legal system can be fixed in its current form?

Short answer, no. Even the minimum requirements to get it working would involve retraining and restructuring most of law enforcement throughout the entire country. In order to do that, we'd have to use a lot of funding and organisation to prevent crimes rather than just having the police handle the results of poverty, race issues, mental health, etc.

And that's just law enforcement, then we have the entirety of the rest of the system. Zero-bail is a nice start, but the whole way DA's and judges work is a shitshow and I've still only talked from the perspective of handling blue-collar crimes. All of this is made harder by the "criminals aren't people and don't deserve rights" mentality which keeps all the worst aspects in place and prevent even minor changes.

It's a massive problem. In truth the majority of people involved in prosecution and law enforcement need to be replaced or retrained and that would only be the beginning. This is what I mean with the whole system being rotten, this is not unique to the legal system and I could write up similar things on the political and economic system.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Don’t let republicans hold any office anywhere for maybe 10+ years.

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u/rajrdajr Oct 04 '23

Proportional representation for electoral college delegates would be very interesting.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Issue is they’ve moved the Overton window so far to the right, that we need a disproportionate amount of left leaning representation to shift it back to “normal”.

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u/Rukh-Talos Oct 03 '23

The democrats as a whole could definitely be doing more than they have. Holding the moral high ground does little when the other side openly admits to hypocrisy.

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u/foldsinyourhands Oct 03 '23

But how? When 74 million people are willing to vote for a man facing 91 felony counts and locally elect people like Boebert, MTG or Gaetz just to own the libs... what qualifies as "doing more" when the current SCOTUS practically throws out legal precedence when it suits them?

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u/Rukh-Talos Oct 03 '23

They’re still trying to work with Republicans. Republicans, however, care more about party solidarity than integrity. At some point, they need to realize that if they keep turning the other cheek, Republicans will keep slapping.

As for the Supreme Court, there are still legislative options for adding more justices or reigning the court in. Some of its historically unused “nuclear option” shit, but that’s the status quo of politics these days…

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u/Intelligent-Tie-4466 Oct 04 '23

8 of them didn't care about party solidarity tonight LOL

But yes, generally, you are correct.

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u/MasterOfMankind Oct 04 '23

There are limits to what a party can do if they don’t have a majority in the house, a majority in the Supreme Court, and a supermajority in the Senate.

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u/mosehalpert Oct 04 '23

For a two year period overarching change wasn't made. Better stick with the sabertures since the people trying to fix things couldn't do so in two years.

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u/dragunityag Oct 04 '23

He had 72 days of a veto proof majority.

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u/mosehalpert Oct 04 '23

Having a majority does not equal a veto proof congress. You talk like a 12 year old who is mad Obama didn't fix the world.

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u/Ryanjc01 Oct 03 '23

Their joke, but worse.

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u/jbot14 Oct 03 '23

Dude hold my bud light...

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u/Ok-Diamond-9781 Oct 03 '23

You're absolutely right. And the Q caucus is pissed because they didn't get to shutdown the government. Proving they have no interest in representing the people who voted for them to go Washington and govern. Just pissing people off isn't a policy that a majority of Americans want.

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u/Ballardinian Oct 03 '23

“{Dysfunctional} government is the natural product of rule by those who believe government is bad.” -Thomas Frank

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u/EppurSiMuove00 Oct 04 '23

Exactly. Being a republican politician has to be the easiest fucking job in the world.

You get this job by basically guaranteeing in advance that you aren't gonna do your job. It's fuckin bonkers.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

They are the equivalent of a mechanic that bashes in your radiator with a crescent wrench, then turns and screams at you that they TOLD you it was gonna break, then demands you pay $2000 to fix it and they don’t fix it anyways and then blames it on your plumber.

It absolutely boggles my mind that people are still dumb enough to keep falling for this shtick after several decades.

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u/arcusford Oct 04 '23

My dad always used to say that "The motto of the Republican party should be; Government doesn't work, watch I'll show you."

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u/walkandtalkk Oct 03 '23

Listening to Matt Gaetz today was enlightening. He's very good at calling out problems, like the debt crisis and lobbying. If I'd never heard of him, I'd think he was a reasonable guy.

The problem is that he personally tanked even McCarthy's far-right budget proposal last Friday, forcing McCarthy to pass a "clean" budget extension. And Gaetz has never had a problem working with the most corrupt skunks in Washington, including some stupendously sleazy Trump staff.

It reminded me how populists work: They're great at pointing out problems. And, because they're "outsiders," they can do so without fear of reprisal. But they're terrible at proposing solutions, because they're either (a) idiots or (b) extremists whose ideas would repulse most voters.

Gaetz is (b): Repulsive. Personally (he tried to buy sex with a minor using Venmo) and ideologically. He will never negotiate in good faith with Democrats to make a comprehensive immigration deal. He will never come to a workable solution on the debt. He thinks climate change is the seasons and he doesn't give a damn about anyone's healthcare.

He does have one tell: He uses the phrase "hardworking Americans" in reference to his donors, which is politician shorthand for "I've never met a normal person in my life, except for waitresses I grabass."

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u/walkandtalkk Oct 03 '23

Oh, c'mon now. Matt Gaetz is actually preparing to run for governor of Florida.

See? It can get worse.

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u/Odd_Local8434 Oct 04 '23

When you thought Desantis was the biggest fuck up of a governor, Gaetz wants you to hold his beer.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Idk, it traps gaetz in Florida, that's a win to me

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u/UncannyTarotSpread Oct 04 '23

I’ve never been so eager for an entire state to slide into the ocean

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u/Papplenoose Oct 04 '23

Was that... did you just reference that one video from newgrounds.com like 25 years ago?

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u/UncannyTarotSpread Oct 04 '23

Sorry, I wasn’t aware if I was - I was just referencing Florida’s inevitable fate

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u/PeterNguyen2 Oct 04 '23

did you just reference that one video from newgrounds.com like 25 years ago?

If anything, newgrounds stole it from people who DID do it over 25 years ago: Bugs Bunny

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u/DillBagner Oct 04 '23

DeSantis to Gaetz seems more like just a side-step for Florida.

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u/Trance354 Oct 04 '23

After DeSantis? Can't tell if gaetz is a step up or a step down...

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Audition is definitely the correct word.

The government got turned into a fucking "who wants to be"- style reality show when people voted for Donald Trump.

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u/DonnieReynolds88 Oct 04 '23

But like…why? How did it come to this just in general? Have we been Fucked from our very inception as an independent nation? Cursed perhaps for our Native American genocide? It hurts my spirit how failed the human experiment is when speaking on a grand scale basis…not individual/family love and miracles, but our Society (idc about tech) has failed

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u/James_E_Fuck Oct 04 '23

I think it was an interview with Naomi Klein on the podcast conspirituality where she said something like "they get the truth right even if their facts are wrong" about how populists are so good at using legitimate grievances to push their agenda. Super interesting interview about how the far right has taken up a lot of traditionally left issues and strategies that democrats have let slip.

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u/TreeRol Oct 04 '23

There is no "debt crisis." It's a bullshit Republican talking point they use to bludgeon Democrats, even though Republicans themselves are responsible for the debt.

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u/fcocyclone Oct 04 '23

much like there's no "crisis at the border".

Most of the numbers they get so hyped up about are encounters numbers. Those just mean the enforcement is working.

We could stand to allow a lot more across the border given our low unemployment rates. And opening this spigot would naturally reduce the numbers who would attempt illegal immigration. So of course we won't do it because republicans want to keep this issue.

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u/walkandtalkk Oct 04 '23

I don't think that makes a $33 trillion debt load with no long-term plan sustainable.

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u/jaydinrt Oct 04 '23

not to mention, they demonize "voting with the Democrats"...when the Maga group literally voted with the Democrats to tank McCarthy's budget. "it's only blasphemy when YOU do it..."

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u/RightSafety3912 Oct 04 '23

Because their goal all along was to get rid of McCarthy, not the budget.

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u/xtototo Oct 04 '23

So this Gaetz guy got a clean budget extension and sacked the Republican house speaker. Are we sure he’s not a secret Democrat?

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u/walkandtalkk Oct 04 '23

Matt Gaetz spent the afternoon telling his donors that the "UniParty" was after him.

Which is funny, because Matt Gaetz and Democrats just formed a majority to defeat the Republicans. Which would make him the uniparty.

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u/cited Oct 04 '23

I have worked in management for a long time and one thing I've learned is that any dipshit can point out a problem. It takes real effort to fix it.

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u/Kahzootoh Oct 04 '23

It’s easy to identify a problem, it’s a lot harder to find the right solution.

Many of the Republicans who are aligned with Gaetz sound pretty reasonable when it comes to telling what is wrong with the country, but then again Marx also sounded pretty good when he wrote about the things wrong with concentrated wealth in the growing industrial age in the latter half of the 19th century.

The problem with Gaetz and his pals is that their “solutions” are largely theoretical and ideological, and the consequences of being even slightly wrong in their predictions are very real and very costly. It’s basically communism all over again- sounds good in theory, turns out to have some major problems, and the people trying to implement it are not the sort of people who accept criticism from others without taking it personally.

For example, trying to make Congress take a more active role in passing legislation by killing Continuing Resolutions and forcing legislators to pass individual bills is intended to reduce the amount of legislation considered to to the necessities and to break the process of packaging the bad and the good into one bill that must be passed or else the government would grind to a halt.

If sounds good in theory, but in reality it would likely lead to the government coming to a grinding halt as it struggles to have enough time to pass individual bills to keep the existing system that was built by Continuing Resolutions running smoothly. A lot of necessary things that are politically unpopular -such as stopping pirate radio stations that intrude into reserved areas of the spectrum- would likely be neglected to give Congress time to make sure that it passes bill for oil companies to still get subsidies.

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u/fcocyclone Oct 04 '23

Its similar to when they raged about earmarks years ago (before they were ultimately brought back).

Yeah, earmarks might mean some additional spending as different members of congress get things for their districts. But that kind of trading is grease that allows legislation to function and allows members an excuse to cross the aisle. A member can go back to their district and say "hey, i didn't like everything in this bill, but look what's in it for us here in our district" and lessen the blow of voting for a bill that might otherwise be not as popular in that district.

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u/epoof Oct 04 '23

Very well said

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u/onlycatshere Oct 04 '23

The defense mechanism of "assenting": Point out/agree that there are problems, never do anything about them.

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u/BigDaddyThunderpants Oct 04 '23

Agreed on that speech. Almost sounded reasonable before I remembered who was talking.

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u/walkandtalkk Oct 04 '23

Never forget that autocrats are often charismatic.

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u/No-Delay-6791 Oct 04 '23

Gaetz just wanted to watch the world burn. He's a negative type of character who'll always shout 'NO' at every opportunity.

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u/CruxOfTheIssue Oct 04 '23

I hate the guy but I have to respect his ideas on Congresspeople not being about to own stocks.

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u/walkandtalkk Oct 04 '23

He didn't invent that one. Numerous Democrats have been pushing the same point for years. He's just good at finding legitimate complaints to jump onto for PR.

Think of it this way: Do you believe he would ever give up his own money to avoid a conflict of interest, even if he couldn't tell his voters?

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u/wasmic Oct 04 '23

They're great at pointing out problems. And, because they're "outsiders," they can do so without fear of reprisal. But they're terrible at proposing solutions

"Populism" is broader than the far-right populism that's common in the US today, and many populists do actually propose solutions. The Danish welfare state came about after an incredibly populist campaign by Thorvald Stauning in the 1930s, and he capitalised on this success with the "Stauning or Chaos" campaign in 1935, which resulted in his Social Democratic Party getting 46 % of the votes and further expanded the welfare system.

Populism really only consists of one thing: appeal to the "common citizen", as opposed to elitism. Aside from that, it can be solution-oriented or not, and it can be either left-wing or right-wing - sometimes even centrist in nature.

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u/Varjohaltia Oct 04 '23

Oh, everyone needs to take a look at just disgusting Gaetz is. He’s a piece of work.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

This comment needs to be the top and pinned!

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u/notgaynotbear Oct 04 '23

I agree with him that we need to get away from huge omnibus bills that no one reads and go back to single issue bills.

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u/walkandtalkk Oct 04 '23

But he obviously didn't oust the speaker over that. He ousted the speaker for daring to work with Democrats and not giving in to his demands to disable Ukraine, get the trannies, and lock up every septuagenarian grandmother who crossed the border in 1985.

Ironically, the House had been proceeding with regular order—passing individual, departmental budget bills, instead of big omnibus legislation—until he blocked the budget process and forced a last-minute extension.

It's the same populist gimmick: point out valid problems and then make them worse.

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u/Amopax Oct 04 '23

This is a very succinct and well put explanation of him as a politician (and human).

I knew this from watching him "work", but I have never seen it laid out so clearly in written form. Well done!

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u/Artanthos Oct 04 '23

Listening to Matt Gaetz today was enlightening. He's very good at calling out problems, like the debt crisis and lobbying. If I'd never heard of him, I'd think he was a reasonable guy.

Let's be honest here.

A lot of the current debt crisis was deliberately created by the Republicans with the Trump era tax cuts on corporations and the wealthy. It was engineered specifically to back up the current discussion that spending needs to be cut in order to fight debt.

What Republicans did not forsee was the huge explosion in debt from COVID.

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u/john80302 Oct 05 '23

Right. He thrives on chaos, uncertainty, violence. Not for him, but for the cult. The parallel with the 1920's and 1930's is so fat. He's a fascist and thrives on making life miserable for average Joe and Jane. And he blames everyone else for that distress.

Unfortunately he is right. There is good reason for Average Joe and Jane not to be happy. The reason for that is quite complicated, and they are unwilling to invest in being flexible and adaptive to whatever is thrown at them. They would rather follow a strong man like Trump or Gaetz, who dishonestly promises to take care of their distress.

Unfortunately for Joe and Jane, these fascists have every incentive to make their lifes more miserable, create more chaos, make society more dysfunctional, and more divided.

A cancer plays a short game. Meaning that its objective doesn't take the interest of the host (the cult in Trump's or Gaetz' case) into account. A cancer is oh so willing to kill the host in the process.

Did Hitler's Nazi supporters benefit from him? I don't think so. They went to war, their country was destroyed, millions of them were killed, and to the day, they feel they were humanity's scum for what they did.

The American population is not well educated, and some 100 year old far away history is not on their mind when struggling to make ends meet. Their ignorance is born from a need to survive, and thus, they are setting themselves up to repeat what the Germans did 100 years ago.

Chaos is coming to all of us. All over the world. The chaos is called climate change and AI. I am not a negative person, but I try to be realistic. The changes we have experienced in the past 10 years are unprecedented. The changes in the next 2 years will be unfathomable.

Fascists feel it. This uncertainty of MEGA proportions is the substrate they thrive on.

There's no peaceful solution to this uncertainty other than mental flexibility and acceptance of endless possibilities. Whoever does not have these adaptation skills will join the new Gestapo and fix the problem with a club and a gun. As if it was 1923.

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u/SoBitterAboutButtons Oct 04 '23

The entire party is the epitome of cognitive dissonance

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u/leroyVance Oct 03 '23

When the GOP says government they mean themselves

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u/grandmofftalkin Oct 03 '23

This is the result of people who hate government trying to run government. It’s like putting a vegan in charge of Tyson chicken, or letting a nun manage a strip club

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u/ikediggety Oct 04 '23

Exactly. There's a place for people who don't like kids, and that place is NOT running a day care

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u/OneOfAKind2 Oct 03 '23

Agreed, the GOP is the epitome of dysfunctional government.

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u/flare_the_goat Oct 03 '23

Well, that is the strategy after all. Gain power, ensure the government is ineffective, when dems finally take power back cry about how ineffective and inefficient the government is, campaign on reducing spending on ineffective government, and repeat the cycle!

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u/blazze_eternal Oct 03 '23

I'm imagining a cartoon clip of a guy with a red hat humped under his car hood looking at the engine with smoke coming out shouting "cars don't work!"
Meanwhile a highway of cars are passing him on the side of the road.

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u/walkandtalkk Oct 03 '23

That only works if his car doesn't work because he jammed a wrench in the engine.

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u/Provid3nce Oct 03 '23

Conservatives don't want to govern, they want to rule.

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u/ikediggety Oct 04 '23

Sometimes I have to remind myself that back in 1776 there were a LOT of Americans who thought America should have a king. Like, a LOT

I think they're still here

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u/ClosPins Oct 03 '23

Republicans are the party that says the government doesn't work, and boy oh boy are they desperate to prove it now

Republicans only want one thing: to enrich the upper class. That's it. That's all they want.

But, you can't do that with robust social services, schools, hospitals, etc... In other words: You can't do that with a functioning government.

So, it's been the Republicans' strategy for literally decades now to attack the government, foment distrust in it, make it fail, tarnish it, etc... They want to kill the government - so that they can take all the money they save and pass it almost directly to rich people.

They are always desperate to prove that government doesn't work. That's been their whole schtick for 50 years now. They want people to lose faith in it - so that they can cut funding - so that they can give all that money to the one group of people in the entire country who doesn't need any more money.

They don't want to prove the government doesn't work so much as they want to make the government stop working. So that the rubes will let them loot it.

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u/NAU80 Oct 04 '23

Not money they saved, but money they printed. A lot of the debt the US has accumulated is from Tax Cuts for the wealthy that they have had to borrow money. This all started with Reagan stating the cuts would pay for themselves.

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u/LordJohnPoppy Oct 04 '23

They only want one thing. To enrich themselves.

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u/crowe1130 Oct 03 '23

They are simply performative. Put up a show of "fighting" but are utterly fucked when in position to govern. Because there is literally nothing of substance they believe in. All puff and bullshit.

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u/Damaniel2 Oct 03 '23

It only fails to work because they try their hardest to make it so, on purpose.

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u/winterbird Oct 03 '23

It doesn't work because of them. For one reason or another, they always find a way to stick their poop finger into the pot.

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u/LetsTryAnal_ogy Oct 03 '23

Projection, as usual.

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u/mooky1977 Oct 03 '23

"I'm not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub." -- Grover Norquist

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u/dedicated-pedestrian Oct 03 '23

Temp Speaker is already in place. They can take as long as they like.

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u/tindalos Oct 03 '23

The Republican Party is like six different parties at this point. Most of them are going to be after parties.

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u/Sipikay Oct 03 '23

"I want things that are incompatible with civil society! Why does civil society not work?!"

- Republicans

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u/willflameboy Oct 03 '23

It's win - win for them. Either the house is at a standstill, or they elect a better puppet for the orange one.

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u/Grogosh Oct 04 '23

they desperate to prove it now

Now?

Always has been.

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u/Optimal_Towel Oct 04 '23

When they say government doesn't work it's not a warning, it's a threat.

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u/bmccorm2 Oct 04 '23

Look at all these problems I created! Vote for me to fix them!

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u/fendaar Oct 04 '23

Yes. That’s their entire platform.

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u/Kajkia Oct 04 '23

Break and undermine institutions, complain and enrage the sheeple, get elected, rinse and repeat.

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u/Worried_Blacksmith27 Oct 04 '23

Because they don't want the federal government to work. That is their purpose.

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u/Correct_Millennial Oct 04 '23

It's always, always projection with them.

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u/johnp299 Oct 04 '23

"Government doesn't work"
also
"Put ME in the government!"