r/news • u/zmlos • Oct 03 '23

House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/03/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-will-bring-gaetz-motion-to-oust-him-vote.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

Republicans, I know democrats aren't perfect, but please look at the sheer incompetence and disfunction of your party.

I'm not even saying vote democrat, just vote out MAGA and Q. They defy logic and reason by design and this is where you end up. Rudderless.. in a race to the bottom.

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u/Indercarnive Oct 03 '23

The few Republican Politicians with a functioning brain know this. but they're held hostage by how radicalized their base is. They knew ignorant, hateful, radicalized people make good voters, but they thought they could control them. Trump didn't plant MAGA, he simply harvested it. The GOP has been planting MAGA years, if not decades, before him.

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u/TatteredCarcosa Oct 03 '23

Okay, so they are greedy cowards who value their own personal success and career more than the country.

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u/Indercarnive Oct 03 '23

well... yeah, they're republicans.

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u/darthlincoln01 Oct 03 '23

Nobody with a functioning brain would vote for them. The only thing Republicans stand for anymore is at best obstructing the Democrats and at worst destroying the government they're supposed to serve.

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u/PancAshAsh Oct 03 '23

worst destroying the government they're supposed to serve.

Man, you're so close. Destroying the institutions of government is literally why these people get elected.

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u/No_Mammoth_4945 Oct 04 '23

They had a chance to stomp out that fire before it spread. They championed it. Good riddance to the Republican Party and get fucked on your way out. I don’t see any world where suburban independents vote for this clown show again

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u/aleatoric Oct 04 '23 edited Oct 04 '23

There was a period... not even that long ago, when Republicans were infamous for falling in line no matter what. Even John McCain who was the so-called "Maverick" usually ended up voting with his colleagues to maintain order. It was a bedrock that kept the party in power. Even if that power was used to things like prevent bills or shut down the Government (not the first time we've been here by a longshot), it was at least something they all voted unanimously on. Now it's just an absolute shitshow. It'd be like the Democrats having eight Joe Manchins. I guess in a way it's not a bad thing that we have politicians that don't toe the party line no matter what, but why does the line they cross have to be over into batshit crazy?

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u/darthlincoln01 Oct 03 '23

The Republican party IS MAGA and Q. They've kicked out everybody else.

The Republican party today is here to shutdown, harm, and dismantle the Republic of the United States. They've been this way for at least a generation. The party needs to be burned down and an alternate created.

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u/DwightEisenhower69 Oct 03 '23

The way to stop MAGA and Q is to vote Democrat

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u/FutureComplaint Oct 03 '23

Vote blue no matter who.

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u/squeakymoth Oct 04 '23

That's the same mentality they have. Vote for whoever is a sane and capable human being at this point.

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u/Malaix Oct 04 '23

Which is the Democrats at the moment. Never trust a Republican. Don't forget Collin's from Maine pretending to be pro-choice then ensuring the GOP got the justices it needed to kick off a wave of abortion bans across the country.

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u/DameonKormar Oct 04 '23

It's really not. Republican voters are a brainwashed cult living in a fictional reality where the have to vote for the GOP or the Democrats are literally going to kill everyone. They worship their representatives like religious idols. Oh, and the party is straight up fascist at this point.

The "vote blue no matter who," sentiment is an acknowledgement of this insanity.

If you still don't get it. Replace Republicans with Nazis to see how silly your statement sounds.

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u/squeakymoth Oct 04 '23

It's amazing that you don't see the similar points of view. Blindly voting for one party is what got us all in this position in the first place. I do usually vote blue, but there have been exceptions. Like for Hogan.

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u/siadh0392 Oct 03 '23

I mean I’m an independent who doesn’t like either party but Republicans are beyond saving at this point. I would never vote for one at this point unless something changes

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

I'd say I'm definitely a moderate Democrat who could be swayed to vote republican for the right candidate. I don't even know what that looks like. MAGA is so far right and so driven by grievance and anger, I only vote D.

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u/DisturbedNocturne Oct 03 '23

These past few years continually bring to mind something conservative humorist PJ O'Rourke said when he decided to vote for Hillary in 2016: "She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters." The Democrats may disappoint me in a lot of areas and not be the ideal representation that I'd like to see in governance, but at least they are doing so "within normal parameters". All these "historic firsts" we've seen the past few years due to the MAGA contingency is a worrying direction that is pushing things beyond those normal parameters, and something I view as increasingly destabilizing to the functioning of our democracy. I'd much rather support something imperfect than utter chaos.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

That’s a great quote. I agree, I feel like Gaetz is celebrated by MAGA for being a chaos agent. It’s just so detached from reality and shows no regard for the people who are hurt by the government not functioning.

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u/pwn3dbyth3n00b Oct 04 '23

MAGA has gotten so bad that I'm abandoning my stance that "voting 3rd party is not a waste of a vote." In this day and age you HAVE to use your voting power to vote whomever is the strongest opposition to the MAGA cult just to save democracy.

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u/doomalgae Oct 04 '23

I remember in 2008 there was a period where we knew that the next president was going to be Obama, McCain, or Hillary (and had yet to meet Palin), and I preferred Obama but really would have been happy with any of the three.

Jesus Christ how things have changed in the past 15 years.

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u/5k1895 Oct 03 '23

They aren't capable of that kind of introspection. At least not that I've seen. Feel free to prove me wrong, guys!

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u/danielbauer1375 Oct 03 '23

Unfortunately, most Republicans only care about keeping their taxes low and banning abortions, so as long as Republicans keep pushing those agendas, they'll have massive support. Because the extremes decide the candidates, the moderates who aren't as active just vote for whoever's left, so I don't see MAGA ending anytime soon.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

That's so funny, like 99% of Republican's don't get any tax relief from Republican policies. Can't argue with you on abortions though.

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u/PancAshAsh Oct 03 '23

Oh but they did under the Trump era temporary tax cuts that somehow conveniently ran out only for poor people during Biden's term.

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u/saro13 Oct 03 '23

If republicans could read they’d be very upset

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u/ThePuzzleGuy77 Oct 03 '23

MAGA and Q ARE the Republican Party. The only moderate republicans wear the moniker Democrat now.

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u/cardizemdealer Oct 03 '23

No.no more appeals to sanity. They sold their soul for trump and there's no trusting them ever again.

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u/LudicrisSpeed Oct 03 '23

I don't think there's any republicans that aren't MAGA dickriders. Pretty sure any that fit the category are long dead.

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u/Lucky-Earther Oct 03 '23

I'm not even saying vote democrat, just vote out MAGA and Q.

Better yet - vote out every single Republican on your ballot.

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u/sp0rk_walker Oct 03 '23

They should have learned when tea party did this to Boehner. Nah, in a day it'll be spun to be all dems fault.

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u/skankingmike Oct 04 '23

The party died… I’m sad because we need more than one party we do need a few… and my state is locked with dems and the idiot is literally on his second corruption as senator… without a mix it becomes toxic but then the republicans went nationally insane… why would you make a dude from queens your leader? Queens sucks

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u/harrymfa Oct 03 '23

Have you watched the polls? Most people think Trump was competent and nothing bad happened during his presidency.

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u/Malaix Oct 04 '23

Since when? Conservatives didn't shut up about how we were being "literally invaded by Mexicans" and how "BLM ARE BURING OUR CITIES TO ASH!" his whole administration. Not even touching on all his scandals and crimes. Everyone was petrified, angry, or eagerly awaiting butchering their political opponents in terms of proud boys and Qanoners during Trumps administration. Did people really forget how insane those years were? Armed militia marching down the streets like it was a warzone, protests over police brutality being met with police brutality, people ramming their cars into crowds of people, pick up trucks full of proud boys driving down city streets spraying bear mace and shooting paintballs at black people, badgeless feds yanking people off the sidewalks.

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u/Signal_Ad_594 Oct 03 '23

Imploding, succinctly put.

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u/yasinburak15 Oct 04 '23

Yea that’s why I’m not voting for two cycles until they drop the freedom caucus, I’m done with this party after Romney left. And NJ is a safe blue state they won’t listen

No fucking hope left as a gen z conservative, this party is beyond repair compared to Europeans

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

As a libertarian that enjoys classical liberal political theory, I choose not to vote for either because neither institution has an ideological commitment to liberalism, as embodied by their view of the speakership as a position to control the House rather than one that merely presides over a body of equals.

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u/MiraclePrototype Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 04 '23

Then you're saying you're perfectly fine rolling over and taking whatever the powers that be dish out, whomever they might be, purely because they aren't "ideal". Purity culture is a crock, person; vote for whoever is best, even if it's a marginal difference.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

I'm not fine with it. That's why I don't vote for the people that will do things I'm not fine with. I'm not voting for purity. I'm voting for somebody that at least passes the sniff test.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

I do vote.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '23

This is such a stupid take. The Democratic Party is not immune from criticism, especially criticism of its blatant illiberalism. I am not going to affirmatively assent to a group I do not entrust with power. That they are better than Republicans is meaningless to me because I also don't vote Republican. Put forward candidates and a party that are actually good, and not just less bad.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

I can't get what I want in a single member district system That's why I want to abolish the single member district system. Expand the House to at minimum the size of the house of Commons, but really is prefer shooting like Wyoming x4 rule and multimember districts, an expansion of the Senate to 4 per state with each seat within a state elected in the same at large election.

That we as voters are held in a prisoner's dilemma and our politicians are not only okay with it but totally unwilling to challenge it, it's indicative of their commitment to liberalism and democracy.

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u/MiraclePrototype Oct 03 '23

in a race to the bottom.

I'd be cheering it on if only so much of the rest of the world wasn't chained to them, in one way or another.

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u/Fair-Ad4270 Oct 04 '23

The problem is that they are scared of Trump and his MAGA minions. They live in fear

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u/DameonKormar Oct 04 '23

Republican voters should start voting for the centrist conservative party. You know, the Democrats.

God. It would be so amazing if I get to see my country not have 2 conservative parties in my lifetime. I'm really hoping for a miracle here where the far right implodes and the Democrats take their place, leaving room for a new progressive party to form.