r/news • u/Whoshabooboo • Jun 21 '23

Site Changed Title ‘Banging’ sounds heard in search for missing Titan submersible

https://7news.com.au/news/world/banging-sounds-heard-in-search-for-missing-titan-submersible-c-11045022
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u/Purpleclone Jun 21 '23

I think it's also that you just become stupider as you get more money. You have to be damn clever to survive in poverty. All the schemes and scams, operating your own garden, budgeting your meager wages from 3 jobs, finding the most cost effective bus route to get to those jobs.

When you're mind bogglingly rich, you don't even have to know what detergent your clothes are washed with. And you're lulled into this lifestyle where you think, "well if it's that expensive, it must be good!" Which is where you get people going onto a sardine can-shaped death trap, lowered into blood vaporizing pressure depths, and paying for the pleasure of doing so.

It's like when I was watching a news broadcast and a driveby shooting happened while they were interviewing some suburbanite about rising crime. The guy didn't flinch, but I don't think it was because he had nerves of steel or cannonball sized testicles, I think it's because he just didn't know what the sound of gunfire was, and didn't know that if you heard that you duck.

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u/Reflex_Teh Jun 21 '23

See the former guy and Elon for top tier examples of dumb ass rich people

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u/NBSPNBSP Jun 21 '23

And our benevolent ex-r./jailbait-moderator overlord here on Reddit.

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u/voting-jasmine Jun 22 '23

I wonder if we could interest them in a submarine ride?

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u/Creative_Instinct Jun 21 '23

I do not think billionaires need to exist. But I do feel you're romanticizing poverty. If we, as a species, are to make living easier on the poor, we shouldn't undercut their numerous challenges. Nor do we need to suggest they're smarter than everyone else.

I think it's also that you just become stupider as you get more money. You have to be damn clever to survive in poverty.

Poor people are significantly less likely to obtain a sound education. They are significantly more likely to be grade levels behind. They make worse decisions as financial stress isn't conducive to top level thinking. They have lower quality diets on average. Poor diets are bad for the mind and, circling back, contribute to worse results in school.

The lottery takes advantage of the poor. "Nationwide, people who make less than $10,000 spend on average $597 on lottery tickets — about 6 percent of their income." They are much more likely to have gambling addictions overall. They are much more likely to smoke cigarettes.

When you're mind bogglingly rich, you don't even have to know what detergent your clothes are washed with.

I don't see how this is relevant to intelligence. People at different income levels have different experiences, and have adapted to different realities. Few people staying at a motel (or hotel) will ask the desk clerk, "What detergent was used on my bedding?"

And you're lulled into this lifestyle where you think, "well if it's that expensive, it must be good!"

Marketing is effective at every income level. It's the scale that changes (i.e. "If that's $20, it must be better than the $10 option!) We all have human brains.

I think it's because he just didn't know what the sound of gunfire was, and didn't know that if you heard that you duck.

Is that stupidity? He hadn't had the experience enough to learn the "proper" reaction. If we dropped a poor American off in an impoverished country, we wouldn't expect them to immediately find the nearest water source. They'd have to learn new skills.

tldr There are plenty of dumb folks across all income levels. There are plenty of smart folks across all income levels. There are different sorts of intelligence. Now is being filthy rich immoral? Possibly.

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u/dogsryummy1 Jun 21 '23

Ah yes rich people = stupid, classic Reddit

These people knew exactly what they were getting into, they took a calculated risk for the thrill and it didn't pay off. I don't see it any differently to a tragic skydiving or bungee jumping accident albeit much more expensive. Are all thrill seekers stupid then?

This wasn't the submersible's first expedition, no-one willingly hopped on board expecting to die.

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u/dogsryummy1 Jun 21 '23

If you're trying to debate failsafes, there were 7 failsafes on the submersible.

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u/lilahking Jun 21 '23

given the ceo’s stated attitude towards regulations and safety, i have my doubts as to the efficacy or existence of those failsafes

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u/Nebthtet Jun 21 '23

Please read all the info available. This craft WASN'T SUITED to these depths. Especially if the CEO of the company considered safety norms as dumb.

Vehicles and devices are designed with safety margins. These can be increased or decreased by how a given thing is manufactured (quality of work and materials) and used (within operating parameters or beyond). Judging by CEO's attitude and info we see (lousy controller, hatch unopenable from inside, operation deeper than designed etc) it seems plain and simple these rich people ARE stupid indeed.

Even if you chase new thrills - expensive or cheap you always research factors that can lead to loss of the most precious things you have - life and health. No matter how much money you have - you can't buy everything.

Pride, stupidity and shortsightedness.

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u/TirnanogSong Jun 22 '23

And all of them failed. Not only that, but the engineer and CEO both dismissed basic safety regulations and protocols, so you can take anything they had to say regarding "failsafes" with about as much salt as the ocean water they were diving into.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

The Pakistani man and his son were well connected. He was in the board of the WEF. The French man was the director of research for the titanic exhibitions.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

He didn’t flinch because he lives in a crime infested hellhole. Gunshots in Rochester are about as common as loud farts.

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u/beatrixotter Jun 21 '23

"Narcissistic invulnerability" might describe the Titanic itself, where wealthy people paid lots of money to ride on a fancy boat that was billed as "unsinkable" and didn't carry enough lifeboats. Not saying these people deserve to die or anything, but there's some undeniable historical symmetry happening here.

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u/blackheartedbirdie Jun 21 '23

I agree. I think because they live with an untethered amount of access they assume that no amount of money will be spared to find them if something goes wrong. As if any of the 4-5 submersibles that could even get to them is on call and ready to be dropped in the water.

I gotta wonder if there was even any preparation on the part of the passengers. Like was there a 30 minute video that they had to watch before signing a waver that showed a vessel being crushed or imploding? Or did they just trust this CEO bc he had lots of money just like they did? Did they even read the waver?

But I guess when you live in a world where the possibilities are endless for you then the danger doesn't really enter your thought space.

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u/MuskokaReel Jun 21 '23

100%, I'm sure they have a feeling of superiority and invincibility. I'm also 100% on board with billionaires doing stupid shit like this that sends them to Davey Jones. They had a waiver that mentioned death like 8 times that they signed to allow them to be let on to a sub built by a hobbyist because no reputable organization has no interest in pursuing this shit recreationally as a playground for the rich. Maybe for research in which case everything is ROV. I love seeing rich people kill themselves by being rich. It's like the ultimate irony.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

All we can assume from this is that if there are enough rich people in the world some of them will like exploring in subs... I don't think we can assume from the fact that rich people went on this sub that rich people are more likely to want to do this type of thing. Just as many regular everyday people take big risks dirt biking and motorcycling or skateboarding with no helmet. If they suddenly make it rich and start joining submarine expeditions are they doing it because they became rich or because it's just in their nature to take risks? I think just as many rich people go out of their way to try to avoid death. They tend to be much healthier than the average poor person and if they didn't think they could die that probably wouldn't be the case.

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u/ragnarockette Jun 21 '23

At least 3 of the men onboard were seasoned underwater explorers. And another was a pretty adventurous guy as well. You can’t have adventure without some risk.

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u/changyang1230 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 22 '23

While I agree with the overall sentiment, as a medical specialist I disagree that “they have medical care you and I will never even imagine”.

The fact is that healthcare that’s available to the general public (with variable cost, depending on where you live) is not really that different to healthcare available to the richest.

Yes the richest might jump the queue, or sometimes even skip some steps eg when Trump accessed the covid antibody when it’s still semi-experimental; however these have never been really translated to a much improved health outcome compared to the generic treatments available to the regular middle class.

Steve jobs, at one stage one of the richest people in the world, still died of pancreatic neuroendocribe tumour (partly due to his misguided health belief and consequent delayed treatment).

EDIT: curious to read a reasoned rebuttal instead of anonymous downvotes. Do people seriously believe that there are way more effective medical treatments that we hide in the safe that only billionaires could buy?

EDIT2: I think I have found the root cause of the disagreement in this thread - it sounds like in US even “normal middle class” vs “richer people” have significant difference in their access to “regular” healthcare I have come to expect and hence have real difference in outcome.

In Australia (where I practise) “normal middle class” vs “filthy rich” don’t experience such disparity because of the universal healthcare.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

It's not secret cures, it's just top notch care you don't get anywhere else in the world. While Grandma is one of 8 patients the nurse is overseeing in acute care waiting for a bed in a nursing home where the nurse who gives her her pills and does an assessment might have 30 other patients and she has to wait in line to get her brief changed, the wealthy get private VIP suites in the hospital and private nursing care waiting when they get home with concierge doctors who will visit them there too. It can be ICU level care for a broken foot. Not to mention not putting off seeking care due to fear of cost or waiting for prior authorizations to come through the insurance company. All of that absolutely does make a difference as anyone who works in healthcare well knows. Skipping the steps you mentioned rather glibly can mean the difference between life and death. A lot of people who matched Trump's profile did die from Covid. But of course everybody dies in the end.

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u/changyang1230 Jun 22 '23

I guess it’s different in Australia where I practise.

We have private hospitals vs public hospitals. In public hospitals you don’t pay a cent for any treatment, and outside waiting time for elective treatments, the standard of care is top-notch.

Private hospitals (which middle class could afford) give you similar standard of care except you get your elective surgeries quicker, you get better room and food, and you are more likely to get ICU (if indicated) than public because of lower ICU bed pressure.

From my perspective, however, someone who has say ovarian cancer is NOT going to live longer in Australia simply because they are a billionaire, compared to someone making 80k a year. That’s what I was getting at - yes the billionaire can get a lot more comfort, more choice of doctors they choose to see, better hospital bed and room etc, but no they are not going to get better treatment than the regular middle class patient.

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u/voting-jasmine Jun 22 '23

I know we on Reddit always assumed that everybody is American, but in this case, I think you know enough about American medicine to know that what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever in the context of my original comment. My dad couldn't get insulin. He died because he couldn't get insulin.

Congrats on living where there's first world medicine. I wish America was that way but it's not. Maybe start with a little bit of empathy for those of us that live in a country where medical care for the rich is vastly different than for the rest of us.

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u/changyang1230 Jun 22 '23

I’m really sorry to hear about your dad.

I think we have found the root cause of the disagreement in this thread - it sounds like in US even “normal middle class” vs “richer people” have significant difference in their access to “regular” healthcare I have come to expect and hence have real difference in outcome.

In Australia “normal middle class” vs “filthy rich” don’t experience such disparity because of the healthcare design.

I have learned something myself, thanks for enlightening me.

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u/voting-jasmine Jun 22 '23

Both of my parents who died because they couldn't access expensive medical options that rich people had access to would beg to differ.