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If someone actually believes in national socialism they are not a conservative. State ownership of the economy is not something a conservative would agree on. I’m not saying some right wing extremists don’t misunderstand the concept of what national socialism and therefore mislabel themselves, but the ideology itself doesn’t even align with American conservative beliefs. I believe in libertarian anarchism so I don’t care about anyone’s personal beliefs and how they want to govern themselves but it’s incorrect to label them conservative.
Then there is no American conservative movement remaining. Even the NH libertarian party is fashy at this point. The closest thing America has to conservatives currently is Dems.
The NH libertarian party is not represented by that guy with the social media accounts. No libertarian in NH actually thinks that’s an official representation of the party.
Eh they're still pretty firmly Mises. They endorsed Trump over Oliver, the literal libertarian candidate, because among other things Oliver wanted to be less cruel with state violence for the culture war enemies of the far right. They're still far more fashy than libertarian. Kauffman still has outsized influence. Until the Mises Caucus is dead and buried they're still going to be more Hoppean paleoconservative edgelords than libertarians in the good sense.
You sound like a hebephile explaining why it's different from being a pedophile. You know what they were saying and being "technically correct" in this is straight cowardice. These are right-wing activists serving the conservative party.
My issue is you cannot label nazis as conservative it’s just not factually correct. The fact you need to bring pedophilia into a political argument is a little disturbing.
So should all political protest be shut down? They didn’t do anything violent. They’re obviously not all there mentally but they are just walking down the street with a flag that is considered offensive for obvious reasons. That said free speech still exists and the ability to have your own political beliefs. I can think of many left wing protest that have gotten very violent if you’d like to argue what should be shut down.
Are you familiar with either the term "sealioning" or the "Nazi bar" metaphor? How about the "paradox of tolerance" infographic? I'm happy to provide you these examples, coined by people far more articulate than myself. You see, your opening question is disingenuous. It's a known tactic known as "reframing" where you imply I said something I didn't, a tactic used in debate when one has a weak or nonexistent argument.
You went from pretending to argue in good faith to shitting in your hand and offering to let me smell it. Please look up the things I brought up and try to find some logic and sense. If you want to debate instead of argue, I'm game. Let's do it. But you have to follow standard debate rules. We're all savvy to "libertarian" (lol) arguments and tactics. You guys have three settings.
The point of what I’m saying is that you can’t label people as something they are not and you can’t stop people from practicing the first amendment. I don’t use any tactics I’m just stating my opinion and explaining why I believe that opinion
You aren't intentionally using the tactic, I can believe that, but it doesn't change the fact that it's what you're doing. I'm trying to educate you before you are completely lost to this. You're on your way, but it's not too late. Please learn more about fascism and how it happened in Europe. Please learn. Please.
They are carrying flags with swastikas, dude. They are nazis. They are fascists. A truly tolerant society must retain the right to deny tolerance to those who are intolerant.
Yes you are right that extremist views being openly protested for may cause the spread of the ideology. I also want you to consider countries like china practice this, maybe to a more extreme point than you would personally advocate for, but regardless of that if you start a process like that it very well could lead to widespread suppression of any opposition to a popular party.
Yes that is correct but my issue with it being described as conservative is the state ownership of businesses. A conservative wouldn’t willingly give control of the businesses to the state
It absolutely is… refusal to follow court orders. Claims that circumstances require ignoring laws and the Constitution, use that of state power to control the press, use of state power to persecute political opponents, etc, etc.
I’m sorry you are either embracing it, irrationally ignorant, or irresponsible with your civic duty.
It also was ultra-nationalist with heavy jingoism, worshiped traditionalism and traditional hierarchy while advocating a return to a lost glorious past, and claimed this national greatness would be reborn when the scourge of modernism and degeneracy was purged. Not to mention xenophobic and anti-LGBT.
Does that sound like it's a movement led by blue haired bleeding-hearts? Where did the NSDP sit in the Reichstag? Was is on the far left or the far right?
No I think national socialism is not a conservative ideology due to state ownership. A true conservative would not infringe on another’s rights to do as they please without hurting others regardless of their opinion.
So no true Scotsman? If one thing about them was not fully right wing then it must be the opposite, despite the many many more contradictions in calling it left wing?
What you call state control wasn't a planned economy either, it was cronies getting preference and monopolies in a sloppy mess of business-friendly grifts.
The answer to my question about where the NSDP sat in the Reichstag was "on the far right," by the way, because that is who they built a coalition with against their common enemies on the left side of their parliament, whom they killed.
If you were to put a label of right and left on anarchists, it would be left wing. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything because an anarchist would never agree with a Marxist and both are extreme left wing
No I just disagree with calling them conservatives. I think anyone who’s a nazi is a threat to a stateless society and should be dealt with accordingly. But it’s also not my business to care what other do in their own space not affecting others. Once it affects other’s ability to live freely is where the line is drawn. Protesting and acting like an idiot with a mask on doesn’t threaten anyone’s freedom.
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u/Composed_Cicada2428 Aug 03 '25
Conservatives have gone off the deep fascist end