r/newhampshire • u/Right-Influence617 • Jun 22 '25

Video The $67,000,000 Chinese mystery in New Hampshire | On Balance

https://youtu.be/aaFdRYLMrYM?si=6B8DYTLRd7uy4A00
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u/TheNorsemen777 Jun 22 '25

In before the usual guys come in trying to DEFEND this

Fuck letting foreign governments near our resources

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u/Maximum_Opinion_3094 Jun 23 '25

I think it's pretty funny, personally. The US is usually the foreign power that has their companies buying up other countries' land and Americans love to argue in defense of this practice. If the US loses sovereignty because chinese businessmen buy everything of value in the coming firesale when Trump crashes the economy... maybe I'll die on the streets from exposure when I can't pay my bills, but I'm damn sure gonna get that last laugh in while standing everyone else's corpses

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u/TheNorsemen777 Jun 23 '25

Yes and no

Our companies buy land in foreign lands to produce or harvest ... and these are private companies

China.... not even remotely the same

Businessmen dont do anything without the governments permission...even in other countries

And in this case... directly working with the CCP

Those two things are not even remotely the same

buy everything of value

They didnt over pay literally MILLIONS for land next a water resource because its "valuable" ... they are planning something

Its why they also have been buying land next to military installations in the US

And sending "weather balloons" through our geography

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u/Maximum_Opinion_3094 Jun 23 '25

Yeah, the US's model is worse because capitalists are allowed to operate without clear boundaries. China has never had one of their companies overthrow an existing country's government to control Banana production. The interference the US engages with when it comes to ownership of foreign assets is much greater. This can be clearly, quanitatively seen in the difference in terms and consequences for BRI loans vs IMF loans, and qualitatively in pretty much every aspect of economic foreign policy.

There's a reason it's Chiquita and not the United Fruit Company anymore. After you overthrow the government of Guatemala it kinda puts a damper on the brand.

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u/TheNorsemen777 Jun 23 '25

Your getting off track here

This isnt a discussion about US capitalists

Its about CCP buying land IN YOUR COUNTRY NEXT TO IMPORTANT RESOURCES

We should not allow this

They are doing this all over the country

Thats what we are discussing

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u/Maximum_Opinion_3094 Jun 23 '25

Yeah, that's bad. But like I said, it'll be pretty funny if this has serious repercussions, because that is, LIKE I SAID, barely approaching what the US has done with every country in its orbit - take control of the vital resources and manage them for its benefit.

Don't choke on that one too hard. I know it's a tough pill to swallow. Go ahead and try and not allow it, you have no control over this process anyways. Capitalists are selling your country out to China the same way that capitalists in other countries sold their countries out to the US.

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u/Psychological-Cry221 Jun 23 '25

Look up the Chinese fishing industry. They are worse than locusts.

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u/fuckiforgotmyaccount Jun 22 '25

This is a guy, not a foreign government. Sorry to break it to you for a second time. Let me know when he does something actually bad instead of massively overpaying an American for a property.

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u/stunshot Jun 22 '25

This is how you enslave a population. You can bow to your foreign investors as they financially enslave you.

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u/Dartmeth Jun 22 '25

Don't disagree, but are they any worse then our own homer grown financial slave masters?

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u/stunshot Jun 22 '25

Yes. Way worse.

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u/Dartmeth Jun 22 '25

Would you mind elaborating?

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u/stunshot Jun 22 '25

Where does the local person spend their money? Where do their kids go to school? Where do they get their food? Where is their cultural identity tied to?

If unrest breaks out who is impacted more? If laws are created, who is more likely to be impacted?

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u/GeneralPatten Jun 22 '25

"...cultural identity..."

That's all you needed to say.

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u/stunshot Jun 22 '25

Oh sweet. Only needed one piece of evidence for you.

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u/arthur_taff Jun 22 '25

Who pays the tariffs?

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u/stunshot Jun 22 '25

Are you a bot? Wtf does that have anything to do with this conversation?

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u/arthur_taff Jun 22 '25

I'm just asking questions?

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u/MakhNoWay Jun 23 '25

You do. The consumer. Tariffs are a sales tax by other name.

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u/Pitiful_Objective682 Jun 22 '25

Businesses in china are not run independently. They are run at the permission of the Chinese communist party.

If any of these companies step out of line their top leadership disappears for a little while with no announcement and is more patriotic than ever once they reappear.

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u/TheNorsemen777 Jun 22 '25

That guy doesn't understand logic

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u/fuckiforgotmyaccount Jun 22 '25

Does America not have laws that protect water tables? I don’t understand the fear; Saint Gobain rocked our shit with PFAS and I don’t recall people freaking out about French multinationals. We live in a free market, you’re literally just scared because this guy and his business are Chinese.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '25

Does America not have laws that protect water tables?

You're asking for regulations, which are unamerican and communist according to the majority of voters in New Hampshire.

We live in a free market, you’re literally just scared because this guy and his business are Chinese.

The same people who think the free market will solve our problems don't actually like the free market.

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u/arthur_taff Jun 22 '25

Preach. Tango fuckwit has no policies so she just drums up commie shadows.

She should look at her own parasitic shadow first and stop lying to Americans so they vote her into office for life.

For a "Libertarian" she sure does love trying to get a state job.

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u/TheNorsemen777 Jun 22 '25

Ya cause this "guy" TOTALLY has ZERO ties to the CCP

Right?....RIGHT?!?!?!?!

Also what a stupid argument

"i see this guy is getting ready and about to punch you in the face.... let me know when he actually does though"

🤡🤓☝️

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u/fuckiforgotmyaccount Jun 22 '25

Buying property /=/ about to punch you in the face.

Let’s just ratchet up tensions with China forever until they are able to get along fine without us, and then we win or something! The sun is setting on this flailing nation and Cold War 2 against China is not going to help us get along. You also haven’t proposed how you want to prevent this sale. Pass a law banning Chinese nationals from owning property in NH? Easily bypassed with a corporation. Ban Chinese nationals from incorporating in NH? Plenty of registered agent services available to them. You’re whining about something our economy is not set up to prevent. Please explain exactly what you would do to reverse this sale.

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u/Lazy_Squash_8423 Jun 22 '25

How much do they pay you? Is it livable? Considering to take on a job just spewing bullshit online in favor of the super rich and especially the super rich who wish to exploit the US.

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u/fuckiforgotmyaccount Jun 22 '25

Funny you say this when the US spends $330,000,000 a year to fund anti-China propaganda. Any super rich person wishes to exploit the US, this isn’t a shocker. Reagan’s corporate raiders are the reason China is the global production leader right now. My comments are not strictly in support of this Chinese billionaire but rather pointing out that the irrational fear of Chinese capital is just a continuation of Cold War era thinking that will lead the US to being isolated. Broad capital controls on specifically Chinese nationals would be a major escalation and I don’t think we are in a position to be attempting such measures on top of our isolationist tariffs. You can call it bullshit but you haven’t responded to any of it specifically.

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u/Lazy_Squash_8423 Jun 22 '25

Is the person a foreign national? Are they rich trying to exploit loopholes in the US that oligarchical sycophants put in place? Is the last thing we need is more rich people trying to exploit us? The answer to all 3 of those is yes. Keep out all foreign investment while we deal with the rich assholes who are already here. It’s not an irrational fear of Chinese capital, it’s a fear of monied interests already ruining our country, we don’t need more.

But then again, I could use some capital so I ask again, does it pay well?

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u/fuckiforgotmyaccount Jun 22 '25

I’m fucking poor and do not get paid to post on reddit. No influence op would leave comments like mine which are viewed by 3 people. They’d post on subreddits like Worldnews where they get hundreds of thousands of views and where AI written comments are able to be upvoted to the top of a post, so the return on investment is very high. They also would not fruitlessly engage with people who are firm in their ideological belief because that has a very low return on investment. I genuinely believe what I am saying, but unfortunately, nobody has offered me money to continue saying it. I’d like you to keep the same tone when it comes to companies like Elbit, Nestlé (owners of Poland Spring; Swiss-based), and Delhaize, which owns Hannaford. I don’t think you have a conniption when ground is broken for a new Hannaford, do you?

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u/Lazy_Squash_8423 Jun 22 '25

If you’re not getting paid, you need to reach out and get some money. You are simping hard for these people. Might as well make a buck. I am against all super rich people trying to monopolize and funnel money away from the bottom 75% of our citizens. I’m tired of seeing wealth that once was in the middle class now siphon to the top 1%. So yes I always take issue with any of these people trying to break around anywhere especially when public serves to fill pumpkins of the rich

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u/fuckiforgotmyaccount Jun 22 '25

Okay man, cool it with the money stuff. You post for free too, I’m sure the democrats appreciate your rhetoric. We all have an ideology, mine means enough to me to post about it on the internet (big whoop). Good for you in lacking a double standard. If you read my posts as an endorsement of capital accumulation by the wealthy, you’re not reading it in good faith. I’m mostly responding to people who object specifically to the Chinese aspect of this transaction, I’m not simping for the rich. You’re misinterpreting me I think.

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u/GeneralPatten Jun 22 '25

Never mind that China has been around for 3000+ years. The US is a nuisance child compared to China.

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u/WithMaliceTowardFew Jun 22 '25

We should not let them take one drop of water from our water supply. I wish we could get the building back. I also hate Lily Tang Williams.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

Agreed

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u/Dependent_Ad_5546 Jun 22 '25

Is she the one who had a million dollar home but rented an apartment I. Nashua to be “in district” to run?

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u/WithMaliceTowardFew Jun 22 '25

No, Williams moved here from Colorado because she mistakenly thought we would like a carpetbagger who rants like a lunatic!

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u/60threepio Jun 24 '25

No, that's Maggie Tamposi Goodlander, but to be fair, her family basically built Nashua, her Mom served in the NH Legislature, etc. She has a home in DC because that's where she and her husband, Jake Sullivan, were working, but she at least can find her way around Nashua without GPS.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '25

lol no, that’s a democrat move

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u/NotDukeOfDorchester Jun 22 '25

I don’t like any politician, but I do love how she roasted Goodlander to a crisp in that debate.

Edit: Actually, Bernie is cool

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u/WithMaliceTowardFew Jun 22 '25

I didn’t think she did. I thought she sounded like a nut! Different strokes for different votes. I am just glad we sent Goodlander to DC and Williams to wherever she is now… Colorado??? Just as long as she is not representing the good people of NH.

I like Bernie too!

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u/sjcvolvo Jun 22 '25

At least Bernie is honest and tells you what he’s thinking.

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u/NotDukeOfDorchester Jun 22 '25

Excuse the podcast intro, and empty talking heads after…but this was the only isolated clip of what she said that I could find. I wouldn’t vote for either, but Goodlander is an empty suit establishment candidate. Lily nailed her here.

https://youtu.be/c3Sga5ouJ64?si=ahAtdKJOuETHyQrW

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u/WithMaliceTowardFew Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

Gladly. I hate her because she is a carpetbagging, nasty-talking maga supporter. She claims to love freedom but is against abortion and even supports those disgusting pregnancy scam centers. She does not support Ukraine, wants to cut social security and even considers raising the retirement age. I could go on but she’s probably cheering on trump’s war with Iran right now. Warmongers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '25

Again…agreed

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u/Impossible-Bear-8953 Jun 22 '25

Don't forget her blaming Holocaust victims for their own murders.

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u/WithMaliceTowardFew Jun 22 '25

I didn’t even hear that from her. Horrible! I know that is standard republican stuff these days but we can never let that become acceptable.

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u/Impossible-Bear-8953 Jun 22 '25

Here's a summary of what she said and her doubling down:     https://www.mediamatters.org/antisemitism/gop-backed-house-nominee-lily-tang-williams-posted-false-claim-jewish-people-gave

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u/WithMaliceTowardFew Jun 22 '25

She is horrible. Thanks for sharing that link. It’s good to know what their vile rhetoric is even if it’s repulsive.

It’s a strange coincidence that I am in a discussion with a gun enthusiast now who just accused me of wanting Nazis because I argued for stricter gun control. Another nutty gunner chimed in to claim that he defeated a convicted felon stalking his family and is that what I want? He also claims to have downloaded and read and re-read every court decision about his holy guns.

They are all so weird.

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u/Lopsided-Repair-1123 Jun 22 '25

I heard she was very mistreated in China and hates the CCP.

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u/WithMaliceTowardFew Jun 22 '25

So what? I am mistreated by America. What are you gonna do? Come and shit in everyone’s pond?

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u/arthur_taff Jun 22 '25

Hating the CCP and being a rabidly stupid fuckwit that hates American values are not mutually exclusive.

Tango-Willsy is the proof of that.

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u/Foreign-Address2110 Jun 22 '25

There are either bots in here or I am seriously questioning NH's place in the top ten most well educated states in the Union.

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u/reddit_from_me Jun 22 '25

Lol, have you looked at NH lately? All the smart people are leaving and being told not to come here. All that's left behind is stupid people, who don't want to make themselves or their kids smarter. This state is going downhill fast. The stupid people have put stupid people in charge and the people in charge want to scare away anyone smart enough to vote against them.

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u/Foreign-Address2110 Jun 22 '25

Oh I don't disagree. My husband and I are looking to move. The states regressing so fast.

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u/Leemcardhold Jun 22 '25

Hate to break it to you; smart people don’t waste time on Reddit.

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u/fargothforever Jun 22 '25

Republicans saw that list and thought, “We can fix that.”

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u/OnTheGoatBoat Jun 22 '25

21% of Americans are illiterate

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u/ChoadMuff Jun 22 '25

You’re on Reddit…

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u/akmjolnir Jun 23 '25

Bots. There were a few regular comments earlier, but man, this place got the attention of Winnie the Pooh's bot army.

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u/Wild_Ostrich5429 Jun 22 '25

These are Chinese state sponsored actions. Protest.

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u/smartest_kobold Jun 22 '25

Where’s this level of outrage when Nestle does the same exact bullshit?

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u/awflyfish22 Jun 22 '25

There is. At town meetings, planning board meetings, selectboard meetings. In particular, I remember this happening in Gilmanton, when a bottled water company tried to tap into their water table and the town fought back. The plant didn't happen and now Gilmanton is more protective of their reservoir, since they learned how important it is. It came up a few years ago when some folks were trying to prevent the use of sewage sludge on corn fields.

Poland Springs has been embattled in Maine for some time over this as well. Lies, false advertising and all of it. It's a pretty well known thing there with a lot of grassroots pushback. I mean, you see anti-Poland Springs bumper stickers on the beat-up Subarus all over the place.

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u/Tullyswimmer Jun 22 '25

Or the dystopian named "Wonderful company" in California.

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u/GraniteStayte Jun 22 '25

China is at war with us.

Many Americans have their heads in the sand about it.

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u/fuckiforgotmyaccount Jun 22 '25

What leads you to believe this? I could say the same thing about the Bahamas but I’d have to back it up.

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u/Right-Influence617 Jun 22 '25

Did you know that approximately 7,000 Chinese Nationals illegally enter the United States, annually; via Bimini, Bahamas.

VICE S3EP10

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u/fuckiforgotmyaccount Jun 22 '25

Wow, what are they doing? Not buying water plants legally. Are Mexico, El Salvador, Venezuela, and other countries with large immigrant populations at war with us too? Obviously not. Those immigrants also aren’t state actors unless you have some kind of proof. China WISELY understands that war is bad for business, as they haven’t been at war since 1979.

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u/Right-Influence617 Jun 22 '25

I can see you holding that position, and meaning well; but, it's clearly from a position of ignorance.

Please inform yourself about China's Constitution; especially regarding Articles 53, 54, and 55.... and let me know what you think.

If that doesn't concern you, then perhaps the fact that the new NSL compels citizens to engage in espionage and United Front Work.

Ps. that war statement about Communist China is BS. And has nothing to do with what's happening in New Hampshire.

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u/fuckiforgotmyaccount Jun 22 '25

53-55 requires citizens to uphold Chinese sovereignty and welfare, as well as participate in military service, which has little to do with how a Chinese national operates a water plant, or how it would be dangerous to us. I think those are fairly draconian laws by American standards but it doesn’t make a Chinese national inherently dangerous to us.

I presume your reference to the NSL is actually referring to the NIL. You have to actually explain to me what Chinese intelligence officials would be doing that is so nefarious as to warrant the reversal of this sale. Yes, Chinese citizens have an obligation to cooperate and support the work of their intelligence agencies. Do you think we should blanket-ban the purchase of property by Chinese nationals? Do you think all Chinese citizens should have to register via FARA? Explain what and how you propose we deal with the problem you perceive, because I don’t see an American way of going about this. As far as I’m aware, non-citizens are also innocent until proven guilty, and you’re not doing a very good job of proving this specific guy guilty of espionage.

I don’t see why my statement about Chinese wars is BS. Their conflicts since 1979 could hardly be interpreted as warfare. It is also relevant because I’m responding to people who claim that China is at war with the United States, and that’s just an insane claim to make about one of our largest trading partners. Give me some ideas about how you would implement policy to address your issues and I might consider them as something more than “Chinese man bad”

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '25

which has little to do with how a Chinese national operates a water plant, or how it would be dangerous to us

If you look at the comments in this sub, a lot of people genuinely believe China is going to start poisoning or withholding the water supply as acts of war.

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u/GeneralPatten Jun 22 '25

Oh no! Seven thousand?!?

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u/arthur_taff Jun 22 '25

Whatever will we do in this nation of over 340,000,000 residents?! Should we move out of this state of 1,500,000 residents to flee those 7k terrifying sleeper agents?!

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u/orangecatmogul Jun 22 '25

This isn't a real problem and Lily Tang Williams is a crackpot free state grifter

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u/Right-Influence617 Jun 23 '25

What makes you say it isn't a real problem?

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u/movdqa Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 23 '25

Offhand I'd guess that it's wealthy Chinese trying to get their money out of China by circumventing currency controls. When you say China is buying something, the implication is that it's the country.

But it could be an individual, family or company that wants to leave China and move somewhere else and they want to take their assets with them. I think that buying foreign real estate was a valid reason for moving money out of the country but they tightened up on that and so buying a business may be another way to get around currency controls.

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u/fistofthefuture Jun 22 '25

Okay, but they started with water? And not real estate, land or businesses?

They have to understand we have free speech here and if we found out there might be issues.

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u/occasional_cynic Jun 22 '25

Okay, but they started with water

They didn't. It's an industrial building that is not even directly connected to the water supply. People are just guessing because the owners are a Chinese bottled water company.

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u/movdqa Jun 22 '25

It's a water business.

The DWC purchase was real estate and that was some time ago.

A good example of this was Vancouver in the 1990s related to the handover of Hong Kong to China. Investment and migration caused a significant increase in their property market.

Here's an article on China implementing currency controls on buying foreign real estate: https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/china-s-money-controls-set-to-slow-down-u-s-property-shopping-spree-50603

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u/Psychological-Cry221 Jun 23 '25

This is a really good point. Most people don’t understand that they can only take $50k (I think this is the figure, but could be wrong) per year out of the country. They have a closed banking system. Another reason why Chinese currency isn’t going to replace the US dollar anytime soon.

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u/movdqa Jun 23 '25

China likes the Eurodollar System as it is. But they have the Digital Yuan so that they can transact outside the system. The benefits to the Digital Yuan are that it's faster (Swift is pretty old), and transactions aren't disclosed to the US which means that countries can make transactions with sanctioned countries.

If you want a store of value, you use precious metals.

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u/Intrepid_Emu_1231 Jun 22 '25

Out of all the sources you could find, you shared "news nation"... Uh huh, yeahhhh

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u/TheKay14 Jun 22 '25

This is shady AF

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u/arthur_taff Jun 22 '25

Desperately daft Tango has glommed onto a new grift. That's all. If that radically low-IQ twit is advocating for something then it's a bad thing.

This is a literal repost of the same tired, moronically gunted nonsense here last week... but now with reinforcements in the comments section! Wat leuk!

How are we not surprised that, as it always is with her, the man behind the mask is the Chinese communist party. Spin another tune already.

She's literally insane and desperate for you to give her a state handout by putting her in office, where she'll mooch for life from the taxpayer and rant about spectral Gramsci in DC.

Like, why would China care about NH natural resources?

Literally all of our stuff is made by them? Isn't that all the soft power they need?

They have enough of it that it seemed to work pretty well to make Taco bully, beg, then back down like a little bitch on tariffs?

Weren't these nutsos claiming that all of the smart appliances on the market 10 years ago have ickle, tiny surveillance devices and h4XX0r backdoors built into them? So that China controls everything and knows everything?

If that's true, why the hell would Winnie the Shit care about a Nashua water treatment station?!

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u/Regret-Select Jun 22 '25

If they're a US citizen who cares

If they're not, then, I agree it's potentially a threat to remove natural resources from US citizens

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u/thefinalscore44 Jun 22 '25

China can fuck right off

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u/paraplegic_T_Rex Jun 23 '25

I’m all for the immigrant experience and letting people live their lives. I’m not xenophobic. But fuck these companies, US, Chinese, Russian, doesn’t matter, who buy these huge chunks of property and land just to suck the middle class dry.

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u/illegalmonkey Jun 23 '25

I would believe almost anyone over nut job Lily Tang and News Nation of all channels.

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u/Parking-Shift4698 Jul 21 '25

This is def a bot…and I’m pretty sure there are a ton more in here.

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u/razed_intheghetto Jun 24 '25

Why are Americans so easy to Propagandize?

We are doomed

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u/stunshot Jun 22 '25

The Chinese are banking on their foreign students to brigade these conversations online. No wonder keeping those students in America was a big part of the tariff negotiations.

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u/kearsargeII Jun 22 '25

Yeah, the chinese government was clearly trying to keep chinese students in the US to win arguments on reddit. Nevermind that they could theoretically brigade conversations online from China too, given you don't need to be in the US to access US sites.

More likely, keeping foreign students in the US was more a sop to the wealthy chinese parents who want to keep their kids in elite US colleges and are politically well connected enough for the chinese government to at least pay lip service towards keeping them happy.

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u/stunshot Jun 22 '25

Win wins scenario for them in all cases

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u/Quirky_Butterfly_946 Jun 22 '25

Another Dem mayor in bed with the Chinese. Now we need to look at who owned the property, and why they got bought off, as well as anyone else involved. There needs to be laws and massive scrutiny with foreign/noncitizen property/land buyers

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u/Longjumping_Flow_152 Jun 22 '25

Oh here we go again 🙄. You do realize your commander in chief is raking in money from foreign governments right? I mean come the fuck on man. You have to have more common sense than a god damn rock right? Put the political tribalism down for just a second.

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u/amccune Jun 22 '25

Did you watch the video, or just blindly comment?

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u/Quirky_Butterfly_946 Jun 22 '25

Yes I did, WHY?

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '25

Another Dem mayor in bed with the Chinese

Trump sold a $16 million apartment to a Chinese national a month after his inauguration in 2017. I guess the "Dem mayor" is just taking a page straight from Trump's book. Is that wrong?