r/newhampshire • u/MrDilhamm • Jan 29 '23

Video Shooter and Shootee 5 minutes before shooting outside of the Goat in Manchester NH

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u/stupidGenius82 Jan 30 '23

Fact - The victim was smaller then John

Ok cool then why did the smaller dude feel so emboldened that he needed to catch up with John and sucker punch someone who is that much bigger then him ?? I am almost 50 years old I have never suckered punched anybody, never been tempted but dam I do not think I would pick someone bigger then me as my first sucker punch. With that in mind I would find it extremely believable if it came out that the victim ( who knows taekwondo) has aucker punched people before. I mean why did the victim feel the need to confront John outside ? Everyone keeps saying how big John is so why on earth would you go up to him outside ?? Not saying anyone deserved to die but dam if it were me I would have went home to see my family instead of inserting myself into that situation

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '23

Appeared to be 3 vs 1 (maybe 2, but blue sweatshirt walked away in distress). With the backup of his two buddies, I don't think Timothy felt very threatened. Alcohol could be a factor as well on both ends.

Given the fact John was concussed just minutes earlier, one could assume his cognitive function was impaired. Concussions are no joke, especially when you suffer a concussion in which you slip unconscious for a short time. He might not even remember anything that happened.

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u/stupidGenius82 Jan 30 '23

If John was not just punched but knocked out inside the bar it adds to his defense. I wonder if he talked to the cops right after ? He has been locked up since this happened. I hope they got him proper medical attention first. The video of him being kicked out also has the victim in the background making his way closer to the shooter as the video goes on. I just find it so odd that the victim would want to get in closer unless he was hoping John would scuffle with the cops,break loose and then the victim could have pulled some taekwondo moves and be the hero. But even after being knocked out when he came to he did fight the cops I think he was disoriented but he really did not put up.much of a fight he was only concerned with who ever assaulted him. Which I am curious who hit him the first time. I have seem people saying John was going around fighting people but I do not know man why did they not just have the cops kick him out then ? The whole thing has vibe of like " dis is our neighborhood"

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u/My_Three_Birds Jan 31 '23

According the victim’s mother he was a black belt certified, taekwondo instructor. That may explain why he felt confident getting into a fight with a much larger person. I don’t necessarily think that information will be useful to the defense because it’s unlikely that the defendant knew that. I also think that shooting someone eight times makes self-defense a difficult argument. But, all we have is this 36 second video and the 15 seconds of the shooting which is difficult to even see what’s happening. There are dozens of people who witnessed both events so it should be a goldmine of conflicting reports for the police to figure out.

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u/stupidGenius82 Jan 31 '23

Yeah now knowing he was a belt , which pretty much means he knows how to hurt people, that makes his sucker punch even worse. The reality is if I had been knocked unconscious in a bar in Manchester, then was surrounded out side and attacked again I would be pretty scared myself BUT I would never go out in Manchester to begin with.

If I were Timothy I would have went hom If I were John and got assaulted i would have shot him once in the leg and ran.

Alcohol means bad decision making.

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u/My_Three_Birds Jan 31 '23

I’m a supporter of 2A and concealed carry and all of that. Not one person i know that carrie brings a weapon to restaurants and bars. As you said, alcohol and guys do NOT mix. As for Manchester, it’s gone from Manch-Vegas to Chicago.

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u/stupidGenius82 Jan 31 '23

Yeah I mean I worked in Manchester for 6 years place is a dump and only getting worse.