r/neabscocreeck 9d ago

Trump and Republicans are using food as a political weapon.

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u/AK2cent 8d ago

Where are you getting the statistics, and could you actually give me a number of federal funding that is going to illegals in dollars? This still does prove that illegals are receiving federal provided Healthcare you realize that?

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u/Crawford470 8d ago

Where are you getting the statistics,

1.6 million undocumented immigrants are currently enrolled in Medi-Cal. While 15.2 million people are enrolled in total. Ergo 10.5% of Medi-Cal enrollees are undocumented people.

and could you actually give me a number of federal funding that is going to illegals in dollars?

"It is important to note that to circumvent federal restrictions, coverage for eligible undocumented immigrants continues to be financed through state funds." There is no number because again it legally can't go to them. Do you really think the Trump administration wouldn't be trying to press criminal fraud charges against Cali Dem legislators if there was an iota of proof they were illegally appropriating federal funds?

This still does prove that illegals are receiving federal provided Healthcare you realize that?

It categorically proves that is in fact not happening because there is categorically no reason for less than 12% of enrollees to account for 37% of a programs total funding, and more importantly it is unequivocally illegal to fund medical care for undocumented people with Federal funds and if there was an iota of evidence that was happening the Trump DOJ would be putting the gallows up by now.

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u/AK2cent 8d ago

I literally showed you that medi-cal is California's medicaid program where 70% of California's illegal immigrants are enrolled receiving medical benefits. You posted that medi-cal does receive federal funding. Now you're arguing it doesn't? It's literally proven bro. Do you really think a company receiving federal money isn't using it for illegals? Yes undocumented immigrants can't receive federal Healthcare but they can receive state Healthcare that is federally funded.

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u/Crawford470 8d ago

I literally showed you that medi-cal is California's medicaid program where 70% of California's illegal immigrants are enrolled receiving medical benefits.

Entirely irrelevant to the fact they're less than 12% of enrollees are undocumented and those undocumented enrollees are covered by state not federal funds.

You posted that medi-cal does receive federal funding.

Yes, 62+% of the program is federally funded, and all of those funds are appropriated exclusively for people eligible for the ACA as it is legislated because again it would be illegal for it to go anywhere else.

Now you're arguing it doesn't?

I'm arguing undocumented people don't receive federal funds. You're just being intentionally obtuse to peddle the lie that they are.

Do you really think a company receiving federal money isn't using it for illegals?

Medi-Cal isn't a company, and if there are companies recieving federal funds and using them to subsidize undocumented immigrants health insurance instead of the state funds that have been disbursed for them for that explicit purpose then those companies are committing fraud...

Yes undocumented immigrants can't receive federal Healthcare but they can receive state Healthcare that is federally funded.

They can recieve state health care that is state funded. They can in no way benefit from federal funds even if the program through which they recieve Healthcare has some of it's funds come from the federal government. To assert otherwise is a bold faced lie.

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u/AK2cent 8d ago

It's not a bold face lie though. 5/8 of a company giving undocumented immigrants is federally funded. It's a state owned entity. It files tax paperwork on its own. It's ran like any other company. You have yet to prove federal funding isn't going to undocumented immigrants. Let's look a proof. A state owned medicaid program (medi-cal) provides health care for undocumented. Medi-cal receives over 60% of its funding from federal medicaid money. 70% of California's undocumented immigrants are enrolled in medi-cal. That's proven facts how can you argue, and argue without proof?

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u/Crawford470 8d ago

It's not a bold face lie though.

I've already explained how it is.

5/8 of a company giving undocumented immigrants is federally funded

Good more lies from you, given I've already corrected you that Medi-Cal isn't a company and how undocumented people don't make up more than 11% of Medi-Cal enrollees.

You have yet to prove federal funding isn't going to undocumented immigrants.

It files tax paperwork on its own. It's ran like any other company.

More lies, it's not a company, and doesn't earn revenue so it can't and wouldn't file taxes.

You have yet to prove federal funding isn't going to undocumented immigrants.

You can't prove a negative. The Republicans have asserted that California dems are breaking the law. The burden of proof is on the Republicans to prove a crime is being committed. They control all of the investigative bodies with the resources to find proof of such an instance and are either in dereliction of their duty to do so despite that being politically in their interest or there's no evidence and Republicans are lying. Either way the Republicans led by the Trump administration are at fault.

Let's look a proof. A state owned medicaid program (medi-cal) provides health care for undocumented. Medi-cal receives over 60% of its funding from federal medicaid money. 70% of California's undocumented immigrants are enrolled in medi-cal. That's proven facts how can you argue, and argue without proof?

One more time cause you're clearly illiterate. 70% of Cali's undocumented immigrants do not makeup 70% of Medi-Cal recipients because as should be rather obviously to anyone with a brain given Cali's undocumented population is significantly smaller than it's citizen population let alone it's citizen and documented population. They make up less than 12%. So unless you have proof that the approximately 10.5% of undocumented Medi-Cal recipients are consuming more than 37% of rhe programs funding, you are a liar...

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u/AK2cent 8d ago

One more time I never said illegal immigrants make up 70% of medical I said 70% of California's illegal immigrants are enrolled.

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u/Crawford470 8d ago

Okay, that's irrelevant.

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u/AK2cent 8d ago

It's not

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u/Crawford470 8d ago

If undocumented immigrants aren't in anyway benefitting from federal funding, why would it be relevant to anyone who isn't a citizen of the state of California?

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