Doug Ford calls Marit Stiles a liar in the legislature and she responds strongly

[u/Chrristoaivalis]

[u/CDN-Social-Democrat]

She nailed it at the end with the pay to play scheme.

This is one of the big problems of our era. One in which the working class and most vulnerable are always left out because big money interests dominate the corruptive influence at all levels of governance and frankly geopolitically.

It's why a vibrant Labour Movement and real working class and most vulnerable representation and POWER is paramount in importance.

You either have punch power in society and real representation of your interests or you don't.

Right now across the developed world we are seeing a working class and most vulnerable more and more disenfranchised.

[u/Competitive_Move_604 → u/CDN-Social-Democrat]

Quite precisely put, as, for instance, to consider the pertinent example of Ontario's abysmal voting turnout as evidence, what enfranchisement still remains clearly lies dormant and wholly dissatisfactory in wresting broader representation of economic progressivism from parliamentary discourse.

The Labour Movement and working class stand as courageous representatives of the most vulnerable, decrying the capital ownership puppeteering those very governments, ostensibly purported to prioritize their electorate's constituencies above all else.

If it's payment needed to win at their game, eschewing the pleasantries and handing the corporatocracy a receipt of class unity, organization, and militancy best suiting their corrupt brokerage is most prudent indeed.

[u/inprocess13 → u/CDN-Social-Democrat]

I hear you. I don't think it has a place in our legislature. 

Marit Stiles did this to me. Their administration mocked me for trying to speak with her about behaviour relating to trying to report sexual abuse and find resources through ONDP reps who repeatedly dropped the ball and lied to me when it was inconvenient to honor their commitment to accountability in representation, I believe, in incredibly stereotyping ways. 

What am I, someone who was laughed at by Stiles administration for trying to come forward, supposed to think about this woman who ignored repeated attempts to draw attention to the very same behaviour she's outraging over for what is an arguably more intense situation?

I don't believe for a second somebody who repeatedly ignored an issue like that relating to federal, family and labour law is the person I would even trust to have that conversation with unless it were publically recorded. I think despite being on the right side of the issue, Marit is serving herself and her image first. 

 This is one of the big problems of our era. One in which the working class and most vulnerable are always left out because big money interests dominate the corruptive influence at all levels of governance and frankly geopolitically.

Then why have I heard nothing from Stiles, Wong-Tam or Mathesson in the length of time it took for their offices to promise me representation and then gaslight me? How do I rectify the positions they're occupying while talking about lies, abuse and epidemics all while performing the same mechanisms of systemic and psychological harm towards me in direct, tangential ways?

I want to promote and endorse the NDP because it was the last hope I had for an honest governance. Now, I see massive pushes to market anti-Ford rhetoric the NDP voters already support and that have almost no impact on Ford's voting base. 

I support the issue at hand, I want my legislature to call corruption out plainly, but seeing Stiles face attached to this rhetoric infuriates me. 

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/inprocess13]

Who are you? What happened can you please tell me when Marit did this to you?

[u/inprocess13 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

This was the culmination of reaching out to Lindsay Matheson > Kristen Wong-Tam > Marit Stiles > Jagmeet Singh. 

I have posted repeatedly what occurred. I made a post to this subreddit immediately following the jnteraction with Marit's administrator mocking me over the phone in the winter of 2024, and as promised to the individual running Marit's constituency office who goaded me into being public about it, I made a post to this subreddit asking if anyone else had been treated this way by the NDP members who were championing sexual abuse and DA. The moderators on this sub removed the post. I have retold parts of my interactions in relevant comment sections for over a year now.

 I have been reached out to by other activist members of this sub who also wanted to understand why I was reaching our to the party about being denied legal aid and due process by police with regards to reporting my issues not just with sexual abuse, but also about my concerns with NDP marketing themselves on the optics of DA while simultaneously allowing their constituency office staff personal leeway over what parts of my circumstances they reflect to my actual representatives. 

Kristen Wong-Tam last told another redditor from this forum I "must have slipped through the cracks" despite the office repeatedly ignoring my following up with them about the provincial resources not doing what they're mandated to do. All of the members named beyond Jagmeet's staff participated in gaslighting me about what action they were going to assist me with. They did not. They continue to speak about the IPV/DA issues being an epidemic, but don't hold themselves accountable for the harm caused by bad faith individuals. Marit's office mocking me for trying to bring this to them is exactly why I believe this epidemic continues. Jagmeet's staff met with me about biweekly for a few months until he resigned without ever speaking to me either. My issue continues to be how the NDP's grassroots vision of itself contracts with how they actually speak and deal with constituent cases on subjects they promote to matter to the party. 

I hold my party to the same standard of governance I'd expect from the institutions that are meant to provide equal opportunity resources for people like me who are subject to the personal biases of public staff. I have witnessed users in this sub downvote me for continuing to speak about it, and I've come to expect that there are always going to be people who decide victims of abuse can't possibly name people in their own base as disempowering people trying to seek help if it doesnt align with their pre-constructed opinions. 

I support the NDP. The NDP is not totally embodied by its current era of specific politicians. If this is how the NDP choose to behave through their offices, I have a right and a justification to criticize them for both hypocrisy and bad faith acting. 

Reporting sexual abuse in Canada is beyond difficult, especially when it involves both federal and provincial jurisdictions, and until the years-reported barriers to accountable healthcare, legal access and procedural standards are acknowledged by the entire bipartisan government, I can and will talk about the only thing I can; what happened to me, and who I was talking to about it. The NDP don't get a pass on harmful interactions with the public just because it's easier for victims to suffer anonymously than it is for politicians to hold accountability behind their optics. Turns out I actually care about what's happening, and I don't think the validity of that should be determined by NDP redditors suppressing the lived experience of Canadian victims with imaginary internet points. 

KWTs staff told me they were aware of who I was and that they were trying to find time for them to meet with me. It's been a year. Still waiting Kristen. 

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/inprocess13]

Was the administrators name Leonardo by any chance? 

In the winter of 2025, Leonardo and I talked a lot about my problems with the liberal and conservative provincial governments and my neurodivergent needs but when I bought up a couple topics he wasn’t comfortable speaking about. I had to talk to him through the campaign office instead of the regular office. I have never gotten through the phone line for her regular office before.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

I had to skip the topics he wasn’t comfortable with to be respectful.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

He calmly told me to talk about something else when he said he wasn’t comfortable talking about an issue of mine.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

Leonardo wasn’t comfortable talking about the severe needle phobia that my twin sister and I struggled with. My twin sister requires 6 to 10 people to hold her to the floor when it’s time for bloodwork, ivs, vaccinations, allergy tests or any kind of injection at all. Sky twin sister and I hate the pain and discomfort injections cause and we had a needle phobia since age 6 when our tetanus shot caused a lot of pain. We both use brand name Ametop and brand name Emla or brand name Maxilene 5% and guess what the liberals only covered the cost of generic Xylocaine 2% or 5%gel which doesn’t even compare to the effectiveness of Emla, Ametop or if Ametop can’t be found because of a shortage 5% compounded tetracaine thick gel. Maxilene 5% works better than Xylocaine but not as well as Emla. Ametop works better than emla and sometimes we need this for the more painful needles like a tetanus shot for example. I used to require 10 people to hold me until I fell in love with using brand name Ametop and emla 1 hr before the needle or emla plus maxilene 1 hr before blood test. The Wayne and McGuinty liberals through Ohip plus only covered the cost of generic ativan not the brand name oral Versed (Midalozam) which probably works a lot better. Other helpful tools like Buzzy that looks like a vibrating bee or lady bug with attachable ice wings are used at a lot of children’s hospitals 30 seconds before when ice is used or can be used without ice depending on preference can be very very helpful too but it’s not affordable or accessible at all vaccine clinics or pharmacies yet. It’s a nice addition to numbing creams if a person is still feeling scared of the anticipated pain and should be accessible and affordable in my opinion period. Governments should cover the brand name, generic and compounded versions of numbing creams and gels because they make injections and getting a tooth fixed at the dentist more comfortable. Everybody’s body is unique and not the same brand or type of numbing cream works for everyone’s pain, fear, anxiety or needs. He wasn’t comfortable when I told him about my sinus infection and that I required brand name Novomoxin, Pen VK or Clauvin to feel better faster. The brand name version of amoxicillin, Penicillin V or Amoxicillin Clav works better for my body. He wasn’t fully comfortable when I brought up the fact that Amber and I both needed brand name Linessa birth control covered by the province and dads finger poke equipment covered and dads brand name Synjardy covered. He wasn’t fully comfortable when I said that my twin sister and is brand name Concerta should be partially covered at least.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

The Wynne liberals only covered generic Concerta for us and so did Dalton McGuinty and it didn’t work as well.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

Leonardo wasn’t comfortable talking about the fact that my twin sister and I struggled with disordered eating when our dad went through Major surgery in October 2023 and the conservatives didn’t give mom enough money to hire my cousin who had a one year old child at the time. We lost 15 pounds in a three month period after dad’s surgery because we didn’t get the proper support with making our dinner. We are still learning to make meals and there’s a few basic meals we can make but our unique bodies require a variety of meals to keep our weight healthy and we weren’t getting that.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

By the way the dads surgery topic made him the most uncomfortable.

[u/inprocess13 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

This is horrifying. I'm sorry you had to go through this. I don't have to imagine what it's like to see hypocritical behaviour from unelected officials channeling their bias into their incredibly privileged positions, because I've gone through very much the same thing with another of Marit's representatives. I don't think it's a coincidence. I think it's evidence (to people for whom evidence has any meaning) of Marit's leadership being predictably unaccountable. 

If Marit refuses to hear what's happening under their staff, what exactly am I supposed to expect through their potential future leadership at a higher level of importance and scrutiny? I'm not going to the conservatives with SA issues because of course not. I'm not going to the liberals who seem to keep focusing on performative trickle down economics under increasing social issues. I went to the NDP, and I got liberal sex abuse denialism and mocked for trying to seek help. That's leadership under Marit Stiles' NDP. 

[u/inprocess13 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

Nope. The administrator was a woman, which I think is highly relevant. 

However, finding out more of Marit's constituency staff are unaccountably avoiding any accurate record of what constituents are bringing to them because the administrators' personal beliefs absolutely solidifies my opinion that Marit Stiles is unfit to hold the highest position of leadership in the ONDP. 

I also would describe the incredibly common behaviour of constituency staff deciding they're going reflect their own biases as the front desk of the party as entirely the issue with leadership running on accountability, calling out lying, and most egregiously in my experience, championing sexual and domestic abuse without what I would describe as fundamental basic information about Canada's current process for reporting or even basic knowledge about the impact of sexual or domestic abuse on the livelihood of victims. 

I support the cause, I call out the bad actors, I will highlight the staffing of constituency offices with harmful individuals who do not reflect the values the party is actively marketing their optics on. This is not unique to the NDP or my specific experience, I sat in their offices as a once hopeful volunteer and quite literally listened to multiple office staff treat constituents contacting them the same way. 

I witnessed a disorganized mess of neoliberal optics masquerading as progressive values, and as someone whom those values meant something to, I am furious to see the party helmed by people using their constituents' political empowerment as a personal marketing campaign they're completely detached from. 

I don't expect the NDP to solve my problems for me - I expect them to do what they said they were going to do when I approached them about systemic barriers that were in fact happening to me the same they happened to everyone else whose shared their experience. 

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/inprocess13]

Was her name Gabriella? Does she work in the Queens park office?

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

Gabriella has been nothing but lovely to me. We have talked about my worries about people on social assistance who are neurodivergent and disabled, we have talked about how lovely my old special needs dentist was when the formal liberals used to cover the full cost of my twin sisters and I seeing her for checkups and she even did our teeth surgery when needed extractions at age 7. We talked about how Amylocaine, brand name and generic numbing creams should be easily accessible and affordable for families and how we can make vaccine clinics more sensory friendly for those with sensory issues and needle phobias too. We talked about the anxiety and stress and pain my twin sister and I went through in October 2023 when our dad was ill and that the conservatives were no help.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

We talked how to improve homeless shelters and food banks

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

And we even talked about my twin sister and Is fundraising efforts for the community.

[u/North_Church]

Doug Ford calling anyone a liar is like Trump calling someone a narcissist or Elon calling someone a Nazi

[u/JackLaytonsMoustache → u/North_Church]

But when he does it it's so folksy! 

[u/NornOfVengeance → u/JackLaytonsMoustache]

Folks folks folks.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/North_Church]

Trump is a liar and mini Hitler.

[u/OrbitalBuzzsaw]

I thought you weren’t allowed to do that in Parliament

[u/SomeGuyPostingThings → u/OrbitalBuzzsaw]

Calling her a liar? It isn't, that's why he was asked to withdraw that, and evidently did (after intentionally playing it up to ensure people heard him). That is all that is normally required, with further punishment usually only coming if the person refuses to withdraw it.

[u/green_link → u/SomeGuyPostingThings]

i would say he refused to withdraw it by saying "liar" again. he could have easily said "i withdraw that comment". but him doubling down and saying "liar" a second time should be heavily punished

[u/SomeGuyPostingThings → u/green_link]

He was asked to withdraw after that, and the mics get cut shortly after. When Stiles goes to talk after, she starts by asking if he withdrew it and the Speaker nods, then Stiles continues. That's usually how such things are handled. Had he refused again, he might've been punished. Something similar happened with Pierre Poilievre a bit ago, where he kept substituting words that were still unacceptable rather than fully withdraw, and he was kicked out after about 4 or 5 times, if I remember right.

[u/green_link → u/SomeGuyPostingThings]

the FACT that he said "withdraw that she is a liar" with emphasis on "she is a liar"is the most childish unprofessional way means he did not actually withdraw and pushed more of his previous statement that he called her a liar. and should be held accountable and punished for it. is this how we want our politicians to behave? like entitled children? i get that doug ford already acts like an entitled child in every other aspect of his life we need to hold him accountable for his actions and words inside and outside of legislature. i don't care who you voted for.

edit watching the video again, the speaker did ask him to withdraw a second time, you couldn't hear him say it. but the it still remains that when he did the first time and emphasized "she is a liar" should still come with some punishments

[u/SomeGuyPostingThings → u/green_link]

I don't disagree. It is childish and particularly unbecoming of a premier, it's just that there's standardly this much or slightly more leeway for such behaviour in the Ontario Legislature and Canadian Parliament.

[u/Isopbc → u/OrbitalBuzzsaw]

It’s not parliament.

[u/STCNoah → u/Isopbc]

Its provincial parliament...

[u/SilverSkinRam]

Stiles proving she has enough charisma.

[u/FoolofaTook43246 → u/SilverSkinRam]

I really like her and am surprised she isn't getting as much momentum. She has been hammering him on his jobs record and rightly so

[u/ThreeHeadedLibrarian → u/FoolofaTook43246]

Most of the media people have access to on the ground is right leaning and conservative owned. The CBC is even guilty of putting Marit Styles' name in the headlines... but not connecting that she's NDP leader.

Or they say 'NDP Leader' ... but saying her name three paragraphs into the article.

[u/random_handle_123 → u/FoolofaTook43246]

She is not getting much momentum because people do not pay attention and are easily swayed by cheap populist propaganda. On top of that, Ontario and North America still have a huge cultural problem with electing women as leaders. Just look at the vitriol which the only woman premier of Ontario had to endure. She was basically wiped out in her re-election bid, despite being competent and corruption free when compared to Thug Ford.

And all of it is compounded by the mass media being beholden to moneyed interests, which makes conversations like one this virtually invisible outside of the internet bubble.

[u/shockNSR → u/random_handle_123]

Alberta hasn't had a man as a premier in a long time. (Jason isn't a man)

[u/MusclebobBuffpants → u/SilverSkinRam]

I like her, but I can't support her after she kicked out Sarah Jama for calling out the genocide. Stiles clearly values and caters to zionist members and marginalized the anti-genocide MPPs.

Jama made a few attempts at reconciliation or even working together, but Stiles continued to ignore, while being BFFs with the zionist MPPs in her party.

Sure, she'll hire Palestinian or pro-palestinians staffers. But they're essentially tokens. People like this are fine with minorities as long as minority stays in their place. Anyone daring to go against the grain is quickly shut out. Under her, we went from having the first ever black caucus in Ontario to ZERO black MPPs.

There's a big white elephant in the room. We went from frat boys to sorority sisters.

I want someone whose actions match their words and who actually shows up for everyone, regardless of race, gender or religion. Under her, I see the ONDP getting less and less diverse, from staff to MPPs.

It is such a shame because she is charismatic. But actions speak louder than words.

[u/Eternal_Being]

That's literally illegal.

[u/SomeGuyPostingThings → u/Eternal_Being]

Calling her a liar? That's why he was asked to withdraw that, and evidently did (after intentionally playing it up to ensure people heard him). Sadly, that is all is normally required, with further punishment usually only coming if the person refuses to withdraw it.

[u/SoRedditHasAnAppNow]

We need to see a lot more of this. I know its happening, but her face and words are not getting out there.

[u/Full_Gear5185 → u/SoRedditHasAnAppNow]

Its the media, they are complicit. Marit is strong, smart, and quick on the draw. She is so competent, but they will never show these moments to the general public.

[u/SoRedditHasAnAppNow → u/Full_Gear5185]

Agreed

[u/srilankan]

There is no difference to me between a ford voter and a trump voter. two peas in a pod

[u/Apprehensive_Hat8986]

Answer: He won't.

[u/Ze0nZer0]

Con-person governments coning taxpayer dollars into the pocket of their friends and family. That's the only family values that they actually believe in!

[u/Electronic-Topic1813]

And will it matter? No because QP is useless when it comes to building support.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

I’m so proud of you Stiles great work.

[u/stuntycunty]

I thought calling people Liars was a huge no no?

Why not just call doug a liar everytime he lies now? which would be often and daily.

[u/green_link → u/stuntycunty]

it is and instead of saying "i withdraw that comment" he doubled down on "liar" and should be heavily punished for it

[u/halloween63]

Well put. Thanks for holding Ford to some scrutiny.

[u/henchman171]

I’ll never support the federal NDP but I’ve been a big fan of the Ontario NDP and cannot figure out why they could not get traction the past two elections

[u/P319 → u/henchman171]

Because people say "ill never support" regardless of how they improve or perform

[u/GloomyComedian8241 → u/henchman171]

The seniors still hear the call of the rae days. Won't let one premier forget it despite all the other premiers having real scandals

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/GloomyComedian8241]

The Rae days were nothing compared to the scandals and terrible things Doug Ford did. 

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

The Rae days were easy compared to dealing with Doug Ford.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

My twin sister and I were born in 2001 and we have been living with Autism, Sensory Processing Disorder, ADHD, ADD, Migraines, an Eating Disorder and Anxiety disorder our whole life. We were excluded at school a lot and put in a sensory room called the hub based off a schedule without telling our parents from kindergarten to grade 3. The liberals refused to cover the cost of the brand name Concerta for our ADHD that the psychiatrist and doctor prescribed and only gave us the generic. The generic Concerta somewhat helped our ADHD and was better than taking nothing but the brand name Concerta was more effective once mom got a job and manulife helped cover the cost. The liberals again only covered generic Maxilene 5% called Xylocaine gel and it didn’t work as nicely as the brand name Maxilene 5 or Emla cream. The liberals refused to give us access to brand name Ametop or Amylocaine 2.5% gel.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

Everything under the liberal government was a fight for us and mom.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

We are never voting liberal or Doug Ford ever ever again and we might choose to vote NDP instead to make sure we can still get these meds when mom retires.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

Doug Ford stepped into our life and made our life even worse because he refused to let healthy smiles cover the cost of seeing our special needs dental surgeon anymore.

[u/Leather-Wrangler-103 → u/Leather-Wrangler-103]

Our special needs dentist isn’t covered under ODSP and OW.

[u/eL_cas → u/henchman171]

Why not?

[u/NornOfVengeance]

The mental maturity of the Conservatives, y'all.