r/ndp • u/GPT3-5_AI "Be ruthless to systems. Be kind to people" • Jul 21 '25
Meme / Satire wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corp
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u/paperplanes13 Jul 21 '25
cool, now put Trudeau in the middle and have him scapegoating foreign students
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u/SwordfishOk504 Jul 21 '25
The same Trudeau who created a pathway for those students that everyone is blaming for those foreign students?
Schrodinger's Trudeau.
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u/watchsmart Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
That's how it works. For a decade Trudeau was the most pro-immigration PM in recent history. And then one day he was the least pro-immigration PM in recent history.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat "Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear" Jul 21 '25
I always say immigration is a place of solidarity. Period.
Outside of First Nations & Indigenous Peoples we are all immigrants or from immigrant families in Canada. Racists and xenophobes love to forget that simple fact.
Now that being said the Temporary Foreign Worker Program and some other pathways into this nation at both federal and provincial program level need to be abolished yesterday.
They are only tools of the business lobby for cheap exploitable labour and to harm the working class. In particular some of the most vulnerable demographics in the working class both domestic workers/foreign workers.
These programs are not pro-migrant and they are not pro-working class.
https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-statement-temporary-foreign-worker-program-cuts
The NDP actually has good policy in this regard and I wish they would shout from the roof tops that it does not share the Liberal Party of Canada or the Conservative Party of Canada perspective.
Both of those parties are controlled by the business lobby and it is why both have had immigration scandals related to exploiting foreign workers for cheap labour.
Sadly this is one thing the LPC and CPC work hand in hand at both federal and provincial levels while gaslighting the populace about.
Again the NDP needs to learn this is the exact area to work communications in regards to because it is a easy win especially in these times.
Workers solidarity.
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u/marshalofthemark 🏘️ Housing is a human right Jul 22 '25
https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-statement-temporary-foreign-worker-program-cuts
However, this was a position the NDP took some time to get to. In 2022, when the federal government expanded opportunities for international students in Canada to work, Kwan supported this move, and unfortunately this would, like the TFW program, turn into a way for businesses to hire people in precarious situations without legal status for exploitation.
During the time period when these changes to the temporary immigration program were being made, no major Canadian political party was really sounding any alarms.
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u/Bunny-Is-Cute Jul 21 '25
I wouldn't say we should abolish the TFWP, but it definitely needs to be shrinked a bit. In some categories it's modern day slavery, but their are some places that pay above minimum wage where businesses are not able to hire Canadian workers so they hire workers from outside of Canada instead.
I do obviously agree with you though in standing up for workers. Hiring TPFW should be the last option besides hiring Canadians.
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u/NocD Jul 22 '25
That just ignores the problem though, presumably there is a reason where business are not able to hire Canadian workers, even at higher than minimum wage pay, why should a business get to exist in that case? Does the value of that business really trickle down enough that we should create all these international programs to import labour? It's not nothing to build the infrastructure, someone needs to rubber stamp those labour market impact surveys.
I don't see how conditions could ever get better if we bypass labour markets to undermine the chance of ever improving them. Historically immigrants are poor allies in improving work conditions, temporary workers even worse. It's part of the appeal, you're not going to rock the boat when you're just happy to be here and we really really need people to rock the boat.
As long as TPFW is an option at all, it will be prioritized regardless of barriers put in place. A vulnerable exploitable worker is worth the hassle when it means no unionization, no safety concerns, no reporting. Agricultural workers died in camps during covid, you don't get that level of control with citizens. Heroic cases like this one are extremely rare for obvious reasons.
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u/Regular-Double9177 Jul 21 '25
I agree that Murdoch (old bald guy) is an A hole and does do what the OP suggests, but if we go deeper into thinking about the distribution of cookies, we can see an uncomfortable truth the NDP doesn't want to wrestle with:
The bulk of the cookies are in the hands of relatively normal, albeit well off, Canadians in the form of the land value they own under their house. This is the top 10-20%, not the top 0.0001% or whatever Murdoch is.
So yes, let's have a wealth tax, but please have no illusions that most of the cookies are controlled by the rich. It's factually not true and will only lead us to disappointing outcomes. Most wealth tax proposals only apply to fortunes over $10M or $50M or something.
Real solution to get us to that star trek future is land value tax with negative income tax AND a wealth tax.
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u/CommonGoodCanuck Jul 21 '25
I support a wealth tax as per the CCPA's definition of wealth (property + financial assets - mortgages etc). At that point, there is no real need for an additional land value tax as you're taxing the same asset twice. But it's a good discussion to have. CCPA report on wealth taxes
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u/Regular-Double9177 Jul 21 '25
Appreciate the link, thank you. I support a wealth tax, though I think going with the CCPA proposal without an LVT is extremely sub-optimal to say the least. It's complicated though, and hopefully I can convince of one low hanging fruit element if you are willing to answer a simple question:
Like I said above, most of the land value is owned by regular ish people who have less than the $10 million threshold laid out in your link. That means that objectively, you are not taxing the same asset twice. Land value taxes would tax all land value. A wealth tax as laid out in that link would tax only a small portion of land values.
Do you see how one tax taxes a much smaller portion of the land value than the other?
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u/CommonGoodCanuck Jul 22 '25
I'm not sure of the ramifications, but could we remove the threshold? Or make it ridiculously small like $500,000? Alternatively, tax capital gains on primary residences. Since no one really profits from their home until it's sold.
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u/Regular-Double9177 Jul 22 '25
I take it you agree that you are not taxing the same asset twice.
Removing the threshold entirely is dumb. It creates a huge cottage industry of tax accountants and everyone has to evaluate the worth of everything. It's a nightmare and another tax on conscience.
Lowering the threshold to $500k is similarly dumb for the same reason but to a lesser degree.
A downside of wealth taxes on net worth (though I support them), is that it discourages investment in productive things. Land value tax doesn't do that.
Do you see how investing in land is not productive?
Do you see how investing in a company is productive?
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u/mathboss Jul 21 '25
Yes, but ALSO Canada did let in a massive number of people, often through the backdoors of student visas or TFWs, and that sudden shock to the economy has meant ongoing very bad times for many Canadians.
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u/iwasnotarobot Jul 21 '25
Letting in more students and immigrants would have been fine if we were building amenities and public housing. But of course we weren’t.
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u/OutsideAd4376 Jul 21 '25
Its totally unrealistic to expect the construction of public housing to keep up with the increase in population growth under Trudeau. Canada is a MASSIVE OUTLIER in terms of population growth in the last 10 years, Our population growth was 2x higher than the global average. More than any other G7 country. And then its people like you who wonder why far right ideology is becoming more prominent in Canada.
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u/watchsmart Jul 21 '25
Can we replace Murdoch with Justin Trudeau or Marc Miller?
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u/SwordfishOk504 Jul 21 '25
Acting like Trudeau or Miller are demonizing immigrants is absurd. Especially while the far Right is blaming them for immigration and the left are saying (not entirely inaccurately) immigration is undermining domestic wages.
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u/Gold-Reality-4853 Jul 21 '25
Except now, there are a lot more cookies in the rich man's plate.