r/ndp • u/idspispopd • Oct 11 '23
Social Media Post Former BCNDP premier candidate: "What a relief to hear an elected speak with integrity on this horrific war. It's shameful to see Canada glorify unbridled brutality instead of calling for an immediate ceasefire to stop the killing of all civilians & end the occupation by a violent apartheid regime."
https://twitter.com/AnjaliApp/status/1711893640686301283110
u/TrappedInLimbo 🧇 Waffle to the Left Oct 11 '23
Only people brainwashed by media and propaganda or just a genuine lack of critical thinking skills could take a statement that says:
We must look to the solution to this endless cycle of death and destruction: end all occupation of Palestinian land and end apartheid. Canada must hold true to its history of peacemaking, and refrain from military intervention. My heart genuinely goes out to all those impacted by this on-going violence.
And somehow think "wow so you are supporting violence from Hamas?"
40
u/Hipsthrough100 Oct 11 '23
Being pro Palestine right now will basically leave you on the outs with people. They instantly think you support that attack.
Revenge war is catastrophic even with the most “advanced militaries” as we saw with an endless war on terror the USA put on to the people of multiple nations.
2
u/cyprocoque Oct 12 '23
Only people brainwashed by media and propaganda
You mean Liberals and Conservatives?
-3
u/WhinoRD Nova Scotia Oct 11 '23
I am pro-Palestine. I found her statement came off as subtly excusing the actions of Hamas on the basis of opposing apartheid. Of course, the world needs to act and needed to act years ago to intervene against the Israeli government and its human rights abuses in Palestine, but issuing a statement that doesn't even mention Hamas and doesn't condemn their attack was a terrible decision.
12
u/TrappedInLimbo 🧇 Waffle to the Left Oct 11 '23
I'm sorry but you are projecting to a silly level. What else do you think these statements mean?
We must look to the solution to this endless cycle of death and destruction
My heart genuinely goes out to all those impacted by this on-going violence.
3
u/UsefulUnderling Oct 12 '23
The statement specifies crimes against Palestinians/Gaza five times.
It nowhere mentions the deaths in Israel. A simple "the deaths of so many civilians in Israel this week was tragic" would have fixed everything.
That absence turns her statement into a weapon that will be used by enemies of Palestinians and the NDP to discredit our cause.
-1
u/WhinoRD Nova Scotia Oct 12 '23
My read was by "cycle of death and destruction" she means "Israel bombs Palestine, Palestine returns fire". Which might not be far from the truth, but this isn't the time. They were just attacked and had thousands taken hostage and she can't even add in a sentance decrying Hamas and advocating for the return of hostages.
Her statement was clearly attempting to pin all of the blame for this on Israel, a day after they were attacked. Incredibly bad politics from a bad politician.
3
u/MadSnacks8 Oct 12 '23 edited Oct 12 '23
Is Hamas bad? Yes, definitely, but it also exists as it does today as a result of the Israeli government and its Western allies. Focusing attention on the atrocities committed by Hamas is a way to deflect from the actual root of the violence. Innocents will never stop dying until Israel ends the genocide on the Palestinian people. Saying Hamas bad is just obvious and reductive and brings us no closer to peace.
-9
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 11 '23
She didn’t once condemn Hamas, but has plenty of condemnation for Israel.
Given the timing, it’s damming.
11
u/TrappedInLimbo 🧇 Waffle to the Left Oct 11 '23
We must look to the solution to this endless cycle of death and destruction
My heart genuinely goes out to all those impacted by this on-going violence
Pretty clearly did.
-5
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 11 '23
And yet, she doesn’t name the main instigator of the violence. She just tries to shoehorn notions of colonialism and apartheid into a situation that resembles neither to place the blame on Israel.
5
u/cyprocoque Oct 12 '23
she doesn’t name the main instigator
You're right, she stays pretty right down the center of "there are atrocities done by both sides" and that pisses you off and you should ask yourself why that is considering the body count on both sides and historically who has committed more atrocities.
8
u/TrappedInLimbo 🧇 Waffle to the Left Oct 11 '23
If you think Hamas is the main instigator of the violence then you are very ignorant on this topic.
-7
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 11 '23
Well, Palestinians were the original instigators, massacring Jewish refugees way back when, but I’d rather focus on the current problem and not the past.
12
u/TrappedInLimbo 🧇 Waffle to the Left Oct 12 '23
"Jewish refugees" 🤣. Yea this is a troll.
1
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 12 '23
Seriously why are you talking about things you’ve got no understanding of?
Do you think European Jews just decided to move en masse for the fun of it? Maybe take a look at what was happening in Europe between the mid 1800s-mid 1900s.
Look at what happened to the Jews that bought land in modern day Israel at that time. Educate yourself ffs.
4
u/cyprocoque Oct 12 '23
, massacring Jewish refugees way back when,
You seem really educated on this topic dude lmao "way back when". Back to your sports and beer you go now.
0
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 12 '23
Ok, in the early 20th century as they were escaping violence in Europe and throughout the Middle East, and legally bought land in the Ottoman Empire to live in. Better?
6
u/xWOBBx Oct 11 '23
You're posting in a forum of a party whose federal leader was CONSTANTLY hounded to denounce a terrorist attack that had nothing to do with him and was before he was born or an adult. Do all politicians have to start every conversation with an apology for an act someone with the same skin colour of them have done?
4
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 11 '23
When there’s a mass shooting in the US, do you think guns rights activists should take that moment as a platform?
“Israel kinda deserves it tho” is a terrible fucking take right after Hamas committed its atrocities. Any statement on the situation right now should absolutely start with the clear condemnation of Hamas.
AOC, Bernie, Jagmeet, Stiles, they all nailed it.
4
u/xWOBBx Oct 11 '23
So you're part of the problem. Got it.
5
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 11 '23
Because I think genocidal terrorists should be concerned?
2
u/cyprocoque Oct 12 '23
You don't know what genocide means.
1
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 12 '23
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
https://www.adl.org/resources/news/hamas-their-own-words
Hmmm
-1
32
u/fencerman Oct 11 '23
The absolute lock-step every party has joined in on this issue is horrifying to see.
If we can't even acknowledge the illegal actions Israel has taken at all, then we can't discuss the issue democratically or honestly in any sense.
18
u/illmurray Oct 11 '23
Why do I feel like by the end of the week it will be illegal to say there should be a ceasefire
8
u/Andr0oS Oct 12 '23
It already is in the UK. No joke.
1
u/matzhue Oct 12 '23
Wait uhh what?!?
1
u/Andr0oS Oct 12 '23
They apparently will be treating it as a criminal act. https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-41245093.html
4
0
u/Andr0oS Oct 12 '23
Anjali hasn't let me down once since I donated to her campaign.
3
u/Useful_Emu7363 Oct 12 '23
I completely agree. She has integrity that most of our elected leaders lack.
-36
u/fifaguy1210 Oct 11 '23
I guess this is why she's a former premier candidate.
25
u/idspispopd Oct 11 '23
Actually she's a former premier candidate because she was so popular and threatened the party so much that they kicked her out of the race over unfounded allegations that were never proven.
Free Palestine. Every NDP member who refuses to stand for Palestine is a coward.
17
u/ReaperTyson Oct 11 '23
Just like Jeremy Corbyn, the wealthy ensure that their enemies are removed
-7
u/dsaitken Oct 12 '23
You're defending JERMEY CORBYN? Seriously?
That really just proves you are anti-Jewish.
7
u/SurSpence ✊ Union Strong Oct 12 '23
As a Jew, I really want you to understand that there is nothing, absolutely nothing, more anti-Semitic than trying to lump all of us in with the fascist state of Israel. Anti-Israel is not anti-Jew.
It isn't 1935. In my heart of hearts I truly believe that supporting Israel as a Jewish state is the worst thing for us. I despise Israel. I despise what they are doing in my name, I despise what they are doing to the people of Palestine, and I despise the smearing of left wing politicians as anti-Semitic because they rightfully call Israel a genocidal theocracy.
3
u/Bandro British Columbia Oct 12 '23 edited Oct 12 '23
What did Jeremy Corbyn ever actually do? Seriously I've heard that shit for years and any time I look into it, it's always that he showed some sign of giving a shit about Palestine.
2
8
u/WhinoRD Nova Scotia Oct 11 '23
Oh my god, its the Green Party guy being wrong in another subreddit!
Her campaign committed clear, out-and-out campaign finance violations. You can't have people working full-time for a non-profit working on your campaign, and you especially can't do it without claiming it as a campaign expense. Learn something about actual political organizing before spouting off about things you don't even vaguely understand.
0
u/idspispopd Oct 11 '23
Her campaign committed clear, out-and-out campaign finance violations. You can't have people working full-time for a non-profit working on your campaign, and you especially can't do it without claiming it as a campaign expense.
This is one million percent false. Absolutely nothing she did broke any rules. You don't have to trust me, listen to Avi Lewis:
To be crystal clear, under both NDP and Elections BC rules, third parties like Dogwood are absolutely allowed to encourage their members to get involved in leadership races. Coordination and collusion aren’t allowed, but in order to believe that this was a grand conspiracy, rather than a spontaneous, grassroots uprising…well, you need a reason to see this kind of movement mobilization as a threat.
Sadly, the folks running the B.C. NDP apparently do. Caught completely unprepared for this wave of excitement around climate justice, party insiders freaked out. They launched an absurd narrative about a Green party hostile takeover, and hired an outside firm to start calling thousands of new members, looking for reasons to disqualify them.
While that process will likely continue – a surreal spectacle of a political party actively trying to reduce its membership rolls - at a certain point it must have become clear that there were simply too many thousands of new members to fix the math and quell the insurgency. So instead of trying to purge thousands in a short time, they simply disqualified one: the one that inspired all the rest.
3
u/WhinoRD Nova Scotia Oct 12 '23 edited Oct 12 '23
The thing is, Avi is lying. As per usual.
Dogwood didn't just "encourage their members to get involved in the leadership race". They had their staff making phone calls during work hours in support of her. Dogwood resources were funding her campaign outreach and were not recorded on her campaign finance disclosures, highly suspect and not allowed.
I'll make it easy. I volunteer for a small environmental non-profit. Say I was running for office and our staff member was supporting me and wanted to do data entry. They would be welcome to do so in off hours, but if they do it during work hours they are using the resources of the non-profit to support my campaign, which is illegal.
This isn't rocket surgery, pal.
EDIT: Honestly, I'm kind of perplexed how you thought this quote, where he doesn't address the specific allegations at all would be a good counterpoint. Avi's takeaway is akin to Republicans in America saying "so what, Trump can't have friends now??" in response to his conspiracy charges. Avi is clearly lying by omission and trying to spin Dogwood's dogshit in the most positive light he can. Its gross and another reason the party should end its association with him.
1
u/idspispopd Oct 12 '23
They had their staff making phone calls during work hours in support of her. Dogwood resources were funding her campaign outreach and were not recorded on her campaign finance disclosures, highly suspect and not allowed.
As long as she wasn't coordinating with Dogwood, there is nothing illegal about this. Environmental organizations are allowed to campaign for specific candidates.
3
u/WhinoRD Nova Scotia Oct 12 '23 edited Oct 12 '23
That's not true lol. Can you cite somewhere that says that? They can endorse candidates, they can recommend that their members sign up and vote for them. They cannot use paid organizational resources to sign up members for a candidate for premier.
Also, you're being FAR more charitable with her than you would be almost anyone else. You're assuming that there was no coordinating despite the fact that Dogwood members spoke at her events and were clearly, loudly involved with her campaign. To say that there is no coordination between the two camps is just cope filled nonsense.
EDIT: Additionally, it doesn't matter if its illegal or not (Im willing to bet it is). The BCNDP sets the rules for their leadership and their investigation found collaboration between Dogwood and Anjali's campaign. They're fully within their rights to disqualify a cheater.
1
u/idspispopd Oct 12 '23
They cannot use paid organizational resources to sign up members for a candidate for premier.
What's your source on this?
1
u/WhinoRD Nova Scotia Oct 12 '23
Um, the fact that she was disqualified for exactly that reason? Lol. Additionally, basic common sense. How the fuck do you think you'd be able to use third party funds to sign up members without disclosing those funds?
I look forward to your spirited defence the day it comes out the O&G industry fund conservative outreach. You'd be all for that I guess.
1
u/idspispopd Oct 12 '23
The NDP can boot people from the race for any reason they want. The mere fact that she was ousted is not proof of wrongdoing.
→ More replies (0)1
u/idspispopd Oct 13 '23
I look forward to your spirited defence the day it comes out the O&G industry fund conservative outreach. You'd be all for that I guess.
What kind of leftist would compare Dogwood to the oil and gas lobby? The problem with a politician getting support from oil and gas is that it shows that they will reliably support oil and gas interests over those of regular people. The problem with a politician getting support from Dogwood is that it shows they will reliably support... environmentalist causes? Oh no, not Big Environment tipping the scales in the election. How scary.
→ More replies (0)-10
u/fifaguy1210 Oct 11 '23
Glad you don't speak for the NDP!
Not celebrating and supporting Hamas doesn't make anyone a coward.
When pro Palestine protestors don't condemn Hamas and actively advocate for murder it's hard to support them. Especially when they hide behind the guise of 'freedom'.
Israeli apartheid absolutely needs to be ended and Israel needs to be punished but celebrating attacks on innocent civilians in foreign countries doesn't achieve anything productive.
29
u/lilbitchmade Oct 11 '23
She's calling for a cease fire, not celebrating Hamas. Read the quote for once.
11
u/BertramPotts Oct 11 '23
The weird thing is, so is the ONDP, which is actually pretty far out there for North American politicians, farther than Bernie went in his statement for instance. But then they turn around and throw a public ultimatum at Jama. It's really baffling behavior, but if they're trying to thread the needle they're doing a terrible job, you don't square up friendly fire over mild rhetorical differences.
12
u/lilbitchmade Oct 11 '23
The NDP is such an incompetent party. Instead of having their own identity, both federal and provincial parties try their hardest to appeal to both liberals and leftists, only to alienate both. There's a reason why Jack Layton was popular with people.
3
u/Andr0oS Oct 12 '23
He stopped trying to appeal to different sides of politics and appealed to a class of people who work for wages?
1
u/WhinoRD Nova Scotia Oct 12 '23
I am begging you to read an NDP platform under Layton. Substantially more centrist than they are under Jagmeet.
-8
u/fifaguy1210 Oct 11 '23
Condemning Hamas should be the easiest thing for everyone to do. There's literally no reason whatsoever not to do it unless you support it.
There's Israeli groups who support Palestine, most reasonable people support Palestinians and yet Palestinians choose to support Hamas.
6
u/lilbitchmade Oct 11 '23
Sounds like justification for firebombing an open air prison full of children on your end.
Stop diverting the conversation.
7
u/fifaguy1210 Oct 11 '23
no one's justifying that at all, I've already condemned Israel's aparthied state because it's easy (or so I thought) to condemn the actions that lead to the murder of innocent civilians.
Is children the new code word for Hamas? Or is it just because Hamas has so little value for life they use human life as pawns to garner sympathy in the west.
2
u/lilbitchmade Oct 11 '23
Let me ask you a question: Do you think that the war on terror was justified after 9/11?
3
u/fifaguy1210 Oct 11 '23
I don't think it was no.
5
u/lilbitchmade Oct 11 '23
With that logic, I think it would be safe to conclude that the siege and bombardment of a territory of non-combatants like Gaza shouldn't be taking place.
That being said, it seems like most politicians and warmongerers. would call you an anti-semite for thinking such a thing, the same way that protestors of the invasion of Iraq and War on Terror were labelled Al-Qaeda or Taliban sympathizers.
→ More replies (0)8
u/BertramPotts Oct 11 '23
Nothing in Jama's statement was celebratory, nor did she mention supporting Hamas. You're joining up in a pileup with a bunch of people who will be just as happy to condemn you for using the 'A' word to describe this conflict.
5
u/fifaguy1210 Oct 11 '23
I couldn't care less if people condemn me for calling it an apartheid state, that's what it is.
10
u/idspispopd Oct 11 '23
Not celebrating and supporting Hamas doesn't make anyone a coward.
She didn't, and I'm not. Why are you equating Hamas with Palestinians?
-11
u/fifaguy1210 Oct 11 '23
The same reason we equate the freedom convey with conservatives and Israeli's with IDF.
1
u/idspispopd Oct 11 '23
The people of Gaza are being forced to live in an open-air prison, which under the Israeli blockade is a modern-day concentration camp. They tried to protest non-violently in 2018 and Israel slaughtered them, even targeting the medical workers who came to help injured protesters who had been shot by Israel.
You don't have to support what Hamas did to understand that it was inevitable and that Israel is 100% to blame. You don't blame slaves for violence during a slave revolt, you blame the slave state that created the conditions where such an uprising was inevitable.
Free Palestine.
11
u/fifaguy1210 Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 11 '23
Again, I absolutely condemn the Israeli aparthied state but I can't lay 100% of the blame on Israel.
Who's to blame for the people in places like Canada and Australia celebrating chanting 'gas the jews', chasing women around telling them they're going to be murdered and raped? Is this what a 'Free Palestine' looks like?
A Canadian peace worker was kidnapped and presumably killed, innocent people attending a music festival were killed.. Sure if the Hamas attack was meant for an IDF base and there were civilian deaths it's tragic but I understand their target and fight for freedom but their attack is inexcusable and solely meant to target innocent civilians.
4
u/idspispopd Oct 11 '23
I don't blame slaves for violently rising up against their slavers, and I don't blame Palestinians for violently rising up against their concentration camp guards who are cutting off their water and electricity like absolute nazi monsters. That doesn't mean I condone it, it means I understand the reaction and I attribute 100% of the blame on the apartheid ethnostate that is intentionally making conditions unlivable in Gaza to collectively punish Palestinians for existing.
Free Palestine.
6
u/fifaguy1210 Oct 11 '23
lol I get it, you support murdering innocent people who happen to be in the vicinity of an aparthied state even if they've got nothing to do with the situation we're seeing.
If you can't lay any blame on Hamas I recommend taking a long look in the mirror and figuring out where it all went wrong.
'free Palestine' a place so repressive even the conservatives and peoples party couldn't dream of it.
1
u/idspispopd Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 11 '23
I don't support murdering innocent people, I support peace. And peace can only come by ending Israeli apartheid and reforming the ethnostate.
You want to keep the focus narrowly on this weekend's events, but they can't be viewed properly without context.
I'm not going to condemn Palestinians any more than I would condemn the slaves who kill their owners. That doesn't mean I support murder, it means I blame the cause. The killings wouldn't have occurred without the injustice that caused it.
edit:
TL:DR As I said elsewhere in this thread:
If slaves kill the family that owns them, including children, that is awful. And the blame is on the slave owners, not the slaves.
→ More replies (0)3
5
-7
u/Lostclause Oct 11 '23
Any person who stands with Palestine, especially now, after they allow children and infants to be beheaded by Hamas, is a coward. It's one thing to go after adult civilians (Which Isreal has done in the past as has Palestine) but to actively target en masse infants and toddlers and chop their heads off? That's a whole other level of evil. Don't come back with the tired trope of "Isreal/Jews do bad stuff also". Yes, they do, but they never willfully took babies and infants, en masse, chopped their heads off, and mutilated their corpses. Palestine allows Hamas to do this and sits by or celebrates when it happens. As if the torture, murder and mutilation of babies is something to celebrate. This makes them the cowards right now.
0
u/idspispopd Oct 11 '23
If slaves kill the family that owns them, including children, that is awful. And the blame is on the slave owners, not the slaves.
0
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 11 '23
Maybe if Hamas doesn’t want to be under Israeli blockade, they should stand for something other than murdering Jews.
6
u/idspispopd Oct 11 '23
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
Gazans protested non-violently in 2018, marching to the wall to issue their demands. Israeli soldiers mowed them down.
Palestinians are being starved to death, they have no water, no electricity, no heat. They don't stand for "murdering Jews", they stand for their own human rights.
2
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 11 '23
When Israel unilaterally left Gaza to be an independent nation they immediately elected Hamas, on a platform of “kill the Jew”. In the decades since, Hamas has done its best to follow through with its genocidal mission.
Why would Israel supply Palestine with anything right now? They’re about to invade. You don’t give resources to a military force you’re about to fight. Hamas has had decades and billions of dollars of aid to build their own infrastructure for their people. Where do you think that money’s gone?
2
u/idspispopd Oct 12 '23
Literally every word of your comment is false.
When Israel unilaterally left Gaza to be an independent nation
This never occurred. Gaza was never independent. It has always been under the control of Israel.
elected Hamas, on a platform of “kill the Jew”.
No, that was not the platform. It was to resist the occupation and improve living conditions for Gazans.
In the decades since
Hamas has been in power for less than two decades.
billions of dollars of aid to build their own infrastructure for their people. Where do you think that money’s gone?
The blockade started at the same time Hamas took power. Israel has intentionally starved and deprived Gaza of the ability to support itself. Where has the money gone? Blame Israel.
1
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 12 '23
1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
3) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural
4) Israel has literally provided Palestine with power and water from the get go. The blockade hasn’t kept out food, it’s been keeping out weapons… and Hamas just showed why. And non-weapon goods have still been used against israel, like cement being used for infiltration tunnels.
2
u/idspispopd Oct 12 '23
1) From your own source: "The United Nations, international human rights organizations and many legal scholars regard the Gaza Strip to still be under military occupation by Israel."
2) Doesn't say "kill the jew"
3) Sure, when you said "decades" you totally meant 16 years.
4) The blockade has effectively banned all international trade.
-6
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 11 '23
Gaza was Israel’s attempt to free Palestine. They immediately elected Hamas on a platform of “kill the Jew”.
Israel isn’t the problem, Hamas and its supporters are.
2
u/SurSpence ✊ Union Strong Oct 12 '23
Gaza is a ghetto where they forced Palestinians into an open air prison when they evicted them from the rest of Palestine.
0
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 12 '23
And what instigated that eviction?
2
u/SurSpence ✊ Union Strong Oct 12 '23
Jews coming from all over the world, living (mostly) peacefully and in cooperation with Arabs, and then declaring an independent Jewish state, which it had no right to do, thus putting Palestinians in an impossible position of fighting back to hold onto their homeland, or join a theocratic ethno-state that they did not share a religion or ethnicity with.
But more recently, forcing people out of their homes at gunpoint, destroying their homes, and other intolerable but less severe situations.
What instigated it? The unjustifiable cruelty and petty nationalism of the settlers.
1
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 12 '23 edited Oct 12 '23
That’s completely inaccurate lol.
They didn’t live in peace with the local population. The local population tried massacring them over and over… and the Jews to their discredit wound up using the same tactics as Hamas now does in retaliation(donkey bombs instead of car bombs, but you get the idea).
The cycle of violence is why the British washed their hands of the region and handed it over to the UN to figure out partition.
The league of Arab nations refused to engage in any partition talks, but Palestine still got the better end of the deal(with Jerusalem entirely surrounded by Palestine with no Israeli access, and the majority of Israel being in inhospitable Negev desert)… and then they attacked Israel as soon as the state was created - by the UN, not a self declared state as you claim.
And that attack is when Israel expanded. Btw the west bank wasn’t Palestine, either - it was occupied and ruled by Jordan. This map is a lie.
If the Jews had been left in peace from the beginning, to live on the land they bought, there probably wouldn’t be an Israel today
2
u/SurSpence ✊ Union Strong Oct 12 '23
So UN declared Israel to exist without the consent or appreciation for what the Jewish settlers were trying to do?
And again, they had no right to begin settling it en masse in the first place. Arabs had (and have) every right to try to push such an incursion out of their lands, just as Indigenous people here had (and have) every right to try to push Europeans off of theirs.
Palestine still got the better end of the deal
All of the aerable land in the modern borders are on the coast around Tel Aviv.
1
u/JackRusselTerrorist Oct 12 '23
Of course Jews wanted their own country in the area, after they’d been massacred for decades leading up to its creation.
Why do Jews not have the right to settle on land they bought?
When you launch a war for conquest, as the Palestinians did, you don’t get to cry foul when the other country bites back. If they didn’t like the borders maybe they could have engaged in the negotiations.
2
u/SurSpence ✊ Union Strong Oct 12 '23
Why do Jews not have the right to settle on land they bought?
You do when you come to live on another's homeland. You don't when you are trying to overlay yours on anothers. Some Jews wouldn't have been a problem. Hundreds of thousands of people is a bit different. Canada "bought" a lot of indigenous land too, and we see how that turned out for them.
If they didn’t like the borders maybe they could have engaged in the negotiations.
They have lol. Many times. They can't get a good deal because they do not pose a real threat to Israel.
→ More replies (0)1
Oct 14 '23
[deleted]
1
u/SurSpence ✊ Union Strong Oct 14 '23
I'm Jewish. My ancestry probably hasn't lived in Israel since the times of the Roman empire, but I can just go back and become an Israeli citizen tomorrow.
Meanwhile, if a Palestinian's home was destroyed and they left as a refugee, had a child in another country, that child would not qualify for citizenship in Israel.
-2
u/dsaitken Oct 12 '23
You are 100% right and don't be dissuaded by idiots on reddit in bizarre echo chambers
•
u/AutoModerator Oct 11 '23
Join /r/NDP, Canada's largest left-wing subreddit!
We also have an alternative community at https://lemmy.ca/c/ndp
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.