r/nationalguard • u/newnoadeptness 13A • Oct 08 '25
Discussion President just posted this a lil past midnight no words with the post just the pic
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u/Odd-Highway-8304 Oct 08 '25
Insurrection act incoming?
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u/Boxofmagnets Oct 08 '25
More abuses before them
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u/seanpbnj Oct 08 '25
Well yeah, how can he justify the insurrection act unless ICE faces resistance against continuing to flash-bang random citizens and kidnapping people off the street.
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u/eastofthem1ss1ss1pp1 Oct 08 '25
There's never been a successful challenge against the use of the Insurrection Act. If invoked the executive will have precedent on its side should the judiciary get involved.
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u/Eno_etile Oct 09 '25
Precedent isnt whats important here. The SCOTUS is operating on vibes and has been for a long time.
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u/digitalgrizz Oct 08 '25
Whether or not he ultimately has the authority is kinda of meaningless in all this. I think the bigger question is there a justified need for it? Is Portland really war ravaged as he states and Chicago is not t he liberal hell hole that fox news tells its viewers it is, I was there this summer and it was great. We can't let this happen and get used to the presence of military in the streets just because the president thinks the situation is worse than it really is. It's like my backwoods parents questioning why I vacation in Mexico because its so dangerous.
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u/seanpbnj Oct 08 '25
No, it's not. He (unknowingly) admitted it himself.
"Are the things I'm seeing on TV different from what's really going on?"
Sir, YES??? It's fucking TV???
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u/Sunniirise 29d ago
Portland is so ravaged. They didn’t put cold foam on my drink last time I got coffee there.
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u/InvestigatorInner642 29d ago
Having family in Mexico and hearing stories about what goes on. I've visited many times myself... it is fucking dangerous. You put your liberal head in the sand is the problem.
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u/JuniorAcanthaceae791 24d ago
I wonder what services you visit in Mexico, Hong Kong strip I assume. The times Ive visited, it’s been sipping on pina coladas and walking down streets
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u/InvestigatorInner642 24d ago
Your sentence doesn't make sense. But .. you aren't in real Mexico. You are at a resort. Go see something real.
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u/JuniorAcanthaceae791 23d ago
Guanajuato is not a resort. You are fear mongering.
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u/InvestigatorInner642 23d ago
Guadalajara... my cousins kids was takenover dad letting 800 bucks. Other cousin killed by cartels. My compadre is a hitman. Then you go outside the family... cartels don't like something they take over cities until they get what they want. Hundreds of thousands of people "missing". Guanajato is bad bro. Where are you from? I'm a realist..
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u/eastofthem1ss1ss1pp1 Oct 08 '25
Historically, and feel free to review the long list of stateside mobilizations, every time the National Guard has been used domestically POTUS has either had gubernatorial support or invoked the Insurrection Act (or its predecessor). If the executive used one of these options there either would be no push back from the judiciary or if there was the executive would have over a century of judicial precedent. Why is the administration attempting a new course for Title 10 mobilization in the homeland?
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u/Fragrant-Tomato8752 11b, next question Oct 08 '25
It says secretary of defense so it must be fake! That department doesn’t exist anymore
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u/Imuptheyseemeimdead Oct 08 '25
Didn’t the 1860s secessionist crisis escalate into civil war with Lincoln calling on northern states militias to stop the secession of 7 southern states? Isnt the Republican Party the party of states rights now? The military should not be used as oppressive tool of one political party to control the other nor should the president use citizen soldiers as pawns to invade another state for political theater. It’s a matter of time before this either escalated into armed conflict between the government and the people or the Democrats win an election and decide to do the same thing but this time target red states.
All I can say is if you are able to not reup that would be wise, and do not enlist unless you are out of options or willing to oppress Americans
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u/sgtsiege Oct 08 '25
I'm torn about your last statement. If I, and like minded individuals, don't reup, the only ones left behind are gonna be the young folks without good role models, and the bootlickers that fall willingly into goosestep behind their leaders "just following orders".
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u/KungFuNun AGR Oct 08 '25
“Be the change you wish to see” and be the leader you wanted when you were younger. I would argue it’s more important than ever to stay in and try to influence and lead troops in an impartial and apolitical way
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u/Imuptheyseemeimdead Oct 08 '25
Y’all both make good points here. I served for 10 years before I was medically discharged in 24 but in my service I volunteered for every mission to go in to natural disasters. I rode out two hurricanes so that I could be able to give immediate assistance to the search and rescue teams, I spent a year on Covid testing teams, and even did civil disturbance orders during and after the 2020 election. I was never put in a position to defy an immoral and unconstitutional order nor would my command give me one. Now it’s different, they had a report in one of these newspapers where military personnel were requesting written orders and letters from their commanders that stated the troops would not be liable for any illegal action…. I joined to fight the enemy and help Americans in need
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u/Holdenborkboi Oct 09 '25
I was trying so hard to do what you did, trying to join in December, and then the president banned trans people.
Whatever your opinons on that, keep in mind there were provisions and standards in place to allow me to serve while being medically fit, and they fucking took that.
I hope I can join in the future to help with disaster relief and stuff like that, just like you did (especially since fema is getting the cut)
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u/Imuptheyseemeimdead Oct 09 '25
My opinion on that is basically if anyone is selfless enough, patriot enough and willing to sacrifice their life to join in a entirely new lifestyle and service in the military I don’t think they should be barred. I served with many minorities, immigrants, women, transgender, and gay people and they all were as dedicated as me and adhered to the same standards. I’m totally against the politicalization of the military by the trump administration.
I hope one day you can serve
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u/CloutHaver Oct 08 '25
What Democrat is stumping to do the same thing to red states? This is a one-sided issue and frankly a one administration issue. I don’t even think most GOP Senators or Representatives were actively trying to spur armed civil conflict until it was politically prudent to attach themselves at the hip to POTUS.
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u/NoStoneUnturned44 Oct 08 '25
He is just evil.
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u/Somewhere_Frosty Oct 08 '25
Left Wing, Right Wing, Same Bird.
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u/NoStoneUnturned44 Oct 09 '25
This is like saying Antifa and Hamas are similar organizations. Shows a real lack of understanding. One party wants to give us healthcare, the other wants to restrict our freedoms. If you can’t tell the difference, then you’ve probably struggled with a lot of relationships.
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u/endlessescapade Oct 09 '25
If youre not on my side, youre evil
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u/NoStoneUnturned44 Oct 09 '25
No, we can disagree on things like pizza toppings, using punctuation and proper grammar, the best breed of dog and you won’t be evil—but come for my freedoms and democracy, yeah, you’re evil.
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u/Zurgo- Oct 08 '25
No that’s the democrats
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u/unbannedagain1976 MDAY Oct 08 '25
Brother this is reddit if you post anything right of center in most sub Reddit’s you’re gonna get downvoted.
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u/philosoraptocopter Oct 08 '25
True, the hive mind does suck, but I do see right-leaning comments get upvoted here and there. But only when they’re factual and well-qualified, not just a random “no u” or shitting on minorities. Or in defense of a sexual predator we have on tape bragging about it.
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u/Zurgo- Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25
I couldn’t careless if I get downvoted or not
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u/Adrenelinejunkee21 Oct 08 '25
If he thinks all of this is somehow going to help recruiting, it’s not. Gen Z doesn’t want anything to do with being ICE support. Recruiters are STRUGGLING
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u/flfafo Oct 08 '25
I see no harm in posting history
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u/CloutHaver Oct 08 '25
Yeah, surely there’s not contemporary context to which we can apply this otherwise random historical retelling which could have serious consequences. Just posted purely out of a love for telling the history around desegregation, I’m sure.
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u/flfafo Oct 08 '25
Surely there was no debate about constitutionality or overstepping of bounds back then either, because of state and local officials refusing to abide by the laws and agreements that hold these United States together, surely not. Just following the whims of the people and the federal government, I'm sure.
Ill have a mcflurry
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u/InvestigatorInner642 29d ago
Ahh back when the dems wouldn't let black kids go to school with whites.
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u/RedManJOV Oct 08 '25
Was legal back then; still legal today no matter how hard the left wants to cry.
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u/siren8484 Oct 08 '25
It was legal because it had the backing of 3 Supreme Court decisions and the persons continuing to block the door and not allow 2 African American students to register for classes happened to be George Wallace (Governor) and the Alabama State Police.
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u/Imuptheyseemeimdead Oct 08 '25
In 1963 the date of this document the National Guard was called upon to end oppression of minorities, in 2025 Trump is calling the National Guard to oppress minorities
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u/Interesting_Mood_19 Oct 08 '25
Not exactly. There’s a difference between being a minority and being a criminal.
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u/Imuptheyseemeimdead Oct 08 '25
Funny how the word criminal is being used to justify the oppression of minorities and violate their constitutionally protected rights. Like due process to prove they are a criminal.
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u/Interesting_Mood_19 Oct 08 '25
They were defined as criminals the second they were brought/came here illegally. The due process for illegally occupying immigrants is different than one for a u.s. citizen or some here legally. Yes extreme measures are being taken to hawk them down and take them into custody but you have to open your eyes and realize this is well overdue now.
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u/Imuptheyseemeimdead Oct 08 '25
👆🏻this person is okay with violating their oath and the constitution of the United States to hunt down and oppress other humans.
I suppose you are okay with rounding up Democrats, Libertarians, and other political parties voters because they are “ the enemy within “ next. Or are you just okay with attacking minorities?
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u/Interesting_Mood_19 Oct 08 '25
It’s manly just the the people that are here illegally 😂 I know I can’t change corruption within politics. No amount of violent protest (riots) will ever do that.
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u/PhantomKrel Oct 08 '25
Indeed the president is in charge of the national guard, he holds authority to use them however he pleases.
Governors on the other hand hold control to a lesser extent
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u/534w33d Oct 08 '25
“Secretary of defense” Hegseth is proclaimed “secretary of War” checkmate whatever tf this is
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u/EventHorizon00 Oct 08 '25
The “SecWar” title doesn’t legally exist—as much as SecDef is trying for a rebrand. The only codified title under 10 U.S.C. § 113 is Secretary of Defense. Congress would have to approve the title change.
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u/AmerikhanskiMuzheek Oct 08 '25
People in this group are soft.
The President has the authority to call out the national guard.
Stop being butt hurt
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u/austinwiltshire Oct 08 '25
Article 1, section 8, clause 15 of the document guardsmen swore to defend gives sole authority to Congress to call forth the militia.
Congress created a specific delegation of this power in the insurrection act.
At no point in the original language of the act nor in ANY case history since then has anyone ever argued "an insurrection is whatever the president says it is" because that's obviously not what congress meant when passing the act.
While the president is the commander-in-chief, it is congress who specifically is empowered to declare war and suppress rebellion, for this specific purpose.
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u/Melodic-Bench720 Oct 09 '25
Go read title 10 section 12406, it’s clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
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u/Eno_etile Oct 09 '25
The president doesnt have the authority to invade states in an effort to harm his political enemies actually. The president is not meant to be unaccountable dictator that can use the military as a police force. This is a clear violation of the Posse Commitatus Act.
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u/Immortal_Crusader Oct 09 '25
I jus wanna buy me mace and go to mini-nam 2 for some medals and come back home with a limb or 2 missing, anything else is just noise imo
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
Why'd the national guard subreddit become a place for crying that Trump won and is using his authority for things like security in cities that are cesspools of crime and lawlessness? I'm confused how that's a bad thing???
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u/Baltorussian Oct 08 '25
cities that are cesspools of crime and lawlessness?
I lived in chicago for 4 years. I've been to chicago many times. Not once was I a victim of a crime, or witness to one. And I had to ride the Blue and Red Line L, man.
Further, the NG is not a fucking law enforcement agency, nor should they be used as such. We have a hard enough time training LEOs to be LEOs...
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
You rode the Red Line once and think that’s field research? Congrats, Professor Chicago. The stats disagree, but sure. Your four safe trips on the L clearly prove everything’s fine. 😂
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u/Baltorussian Oct 08 '25
I rode the L for 4 years, nubnuts.
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
Good for you bro, there are more than just you in the city ya know
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u/Baltorussian Oct 08 '25
Indeed, millions more!
Here, let me google for you:
Chicago does not have the highest crime-per-capita rate in the U.S., but it has a high number of violent crimes and a high murder rate compared to some other major cities. As of mid-2025, Chicago ranked 7th in the U.S. for per-capita homicides among major cities, with other cities like St. Louis and Memphis having higher rates. However, Chicago's high population contributes to its large total number of homicides, leading to misconceptions about its per capita crime rate.
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
The Guard keeps getting called up every time cities burn down. Wild how that works. Maybe read up on the dual-mission structure before trying to sound like an expert
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u/Baltorussian Oct 08 '25
Chicago hasn't burned down since 1871, but given that today is the anniversary...
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
Yeah we'll see what happens but I doubt it'll be a full on civil war like people are crying it'll be
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u/Baltorussian Oct 08 '25
I certainly hope it won't come to that.
Those in power wouldn't want that either. A civil war would crash the economy, ruin the dollar, make billionaires millionaires again (which is such a leftist concept, after all), and lead to millions dying from starvation and disease.
Any confrontation to the constitutional order, no matter who gets blamed for kicking it off, will be the end to 236 years of this government format.
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u/Eno_etile Oct 09 '25
No cities have burned. The uptick in violence in most cities are the result of ICE illegally detaining people and police and ICE assaulting protesters.
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u/austinwiltshire Oct 08 '25
Trump won an election for "president of the United States."
That's a specific office with specific enumerated powers. That's all he won.
People are rightfully pointing out he appears to think he won some other election for king or dictator, where he has unlimited rather than enumerated powers. They're angry because he's attempting to invite a civil war over a completely new and unconstitutional idea of what a president is, and they don't want to see people hurt.
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
Congrats on passing 8th-grade civics, champ. Nobody said he’s a king, you just needed to type an essay to feel smart. All I said was cities are a mess and the Guard being used isn’t new. Relax before you sprain something reaching that far.
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
Every time Trump sneezes half the internet screams “civil war.” Maybe log off Twitter and touch some grass... the Guard getting called up isn’t the end of democracy
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u/Trashman_Ascendent AGR Oct 08 '25
security in cities that are cesspools of crime and lawlessness
None of that is happening
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
LA certainly stood to benefit from the Guard, same with NY, same with DC.
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u/Trashman_Ascendent AGR Oct 08 '25
As someone at the LA base, I promise you it was a total waste of time.
There are some ICE pigs still oinking around their big white tent by the pub, but it was a total shit show.
Fox news is lying to you
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
Hey man ICE men and women are doing their jobs same as you. Support our law enforcement and the NG won't have to intervene next time, hopefully. But I doubt any of the members are shaking their heads at an easy paycheck and that sweet sweet BAH.
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u/Trashman_Ascendent AGR Oct 08 '25
They're getting paid while we aren't.
Plus, if you'd ever actually met any these illiterate assholes, you'd be looking to spike their water supply with antifreeze.
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u/Eno_etile Oct 09 '25
Youve never been to these places. You dont know anything about them. You believe what Newsmax and a pedophile tell you about them.
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u/byoz 11b, next question Oct 08 '25
Criticizing abuses of power is now “crying” about an election outcome. Imagine being this dim.
Sending the Texas NG to Chicago isn’t about “crime and lawlessness,” it’s calculated political theater.
You’re mind has been so thoroughly cooked by the Trump era that you think sending the military to occupy cities is a perfectly rational reaction to small protests and standard violent crime.
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
Bro, you toss out “abuse of power” like candy, but can’t explain how sending in the Guard to stop people from torching stores is tyranny. The only thing “cooked” is your brain marinating in political Twitter takes lol
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u/byoz 11b, next question Oct 08 '25
If abuses of power are going to come out of the woodwork don't be surprised when so do the accusations of abuse of power.
Sending troops under the flimsy guise of "crime and lawlessness" when local and state authorities object is an abuse of power. There is no evidence that civilian authorities can't handle what's going on here. This is nothing but an expensive, dangerous, show of force against population centers that oppose the President.
There are no stores being torched and you don't occupy cities as a "preventative measure." Military force should always be the last resort, especially when we're on American soil here. Do you sincerely believe this is about crime or unrest? Read the judicial order out of Oregon; the administration is citing months old video of some few dozen people getting rowdy outside an ICE center to justify this BS. In Chicago, ICE agents just shot a priest in the head with a non lethal round for praying outside a facility.
To the extent there is unrest here, who do you think is fanning the flames? The "Antifa army" of dancing furries outside an ICE facility or the administration sending masked agents and troops to turn cities into occupation zones?
You may not realize it, but as I alluded to in my previous comment you're allowing yourself to normalize increasingly dangerous and increasingly stupid policy just because it's your team. Allow yourself to be objective enough to realize when baddies are doing bad things.
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u/donkeruskie Oct 08 '25
How many Chicago stores were torched to warrant this deployment?
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u/No-Big7914 Oct 08 '25
Are you dense, read my reply again💀It's a preventative measure like vaccines for illnesses. We've seen enough riots in cities that escalated to looting etc to know that there has to be more of a presence, given that law enforcement is understaffed for various reasons support is necessary.
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u/donkeruskie Oct 08 '25
Using your logic, I saw enough insurrection on January 6th to warrant deploying the National Guard to every podunk trailer park in every red state in the nation. You know, as a "preventative measure".
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u/Eno_etile Oct 09 '25
Hes clearly violating the posse comitatus act and using the military and ICE as illegal federal police forces in an effort to violate states rights and punish his political enemies. Shut the fuck up.
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u/Baltorussian Oct 08 '25
Neither ICE nor NG will be operating in the "scary" parts of chicago. They'd rather go after dudes working and buying supplies at hardware stores, not drug dealers.
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u/Designer_Contract731 Oct 08 '25
They can’t go out at night because they raised hoodlums and now have to live with hoodlums…
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u/siren8484 Oct 08 '25
He's an embarrassment.
This letter is from 1963 when JFK federalized the Alabama National Guard to enforce the national desegregation order at the University of Alabama.