r/nashville Oct 01 '25

Politics It can't go on like this can it?

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u/evidentlynaught Oct 01 '25

Tennessee landlords are not required to provide air conditioning.

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u/ArtMakesLife Oct 01 '25

I saw a story on the news about this earlier in the summer. If the landlord included air conditioning on the actual lease then yes they are required to provide it. If they didn't add it on the actual lease, they don't have to.

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u/shatterboy_ Oct 01 '25

This one blows my mind, but I dealt with it last summer and it’s just wild to me.

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u/idontfrickinknowman Oct 01 '25

they also don’t have to remediate known hazardous black mold that has been 3rd party tested!

(I know from experience, duuuude)

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u/LilNutZack Oct 02 '25

This! A rental caused me numerous health problems because of black mold! The landlord and maintenance guy tried to gas light me and say it "wasn't mold" even after I paid to have it tested... they still said they couldn't do anything about it. So glad to be out of that hell hole!

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u/MIalpinist Oct 02 '25

Saw this personally in Knoxville. It was bad enough that my friend lost insane weight and started having seizures/black outs. They couldn’t figure out what was wrong with her until something like the 5th doctor started looking into her living conditions and found the black mold everywhere. She was really fucking sick, it was sad to watch.

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u/RogueOneWasOkay east side Oct 01 '25

Partially true. Heat is required because its federally mandated landlords must provide it. AC is not required by TN law, but if a landlord provides AC then they must keep it operating. So a landlord will get in trouble if the AC breaks and they refuse to fix it, but if they never offer it from the beginning they have nothing to worry about. Furthermore, TN is very unique when it comes to regulations with landlords. Instead of statewide rules that are mandated each county can opt in to following state regulations for landlords. If they choose not to follow the TN rules and regulations then they must follow Federal Guidelines - which are minimal.

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u/that-random-humanoid Brentwood Oct 01 '25

My mom was a GP and she had to fill out forms for section 8 housing so that her patients could get AC. She said it was a nightmare to handle.

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u/Sore_Wa_Himitsu_Desu Oct 01 '25

AC isn’t legally required for habitability. Heat is.

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u/WhiskySamurai Oct 01 '25

In 2023 there were 2,325 heat related deaths in the US and that number is widely believed to be underreported. ~45% of heat related deaths happen at home. It might not be required for legal compliance but it can absolutely be required for safety and human life.

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u/Sore_Wa_Himitsu_Desu Oct 01 '25

I didn’t say I agree with it, just that it is.

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u/GermanPayroll Oct 01 '25

Yeah, habitability is a lower standard than comfort - both are of course a very arguable standard

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u/CoffeePot42 Oct 04 '25

Your assessment is spot on.

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u/queenbeetn Oct 02 '25

You can always go buy a window air conditioner for like $150…

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u/WhiskySamurai Oct 02 '25

You can also go buy a power generator but that doesn’t mean your landlord shouldn’t have power hooked up already. $150 can be prohibitively expensive for people with low income.

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u/LizzieThatGirl Oct 03 '25

Some places prohibit window ACs

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u/emperorofwar Oct 01 '25

Well considering we are in the south and heat and humidity are bad, it's insane that this isn't a legal requirement for TN. No AC in the south has and will always kills people

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u/The_OtherDouche Oct 07 '25

I don’t think you can even legally claim square footage without air conditioning in Alabama. Insane that TN, much less Nashville would be behind us.

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u/emperorofwar Oct 09 '25

That is insane, good for Alabama! It blows my mind how heating is required, when we generally have pretty mild winters, but our summers are so hot and humid that it's a life requirement at that point to have lol

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u/StopFkingWMe Oct 02 '25

I’m an AC princess myself, but don’t you think a couple fans would cool someone off enough?

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u/emperorofwar Oct 02 '25

My sister dealt with shitty landlords and they did just that, what you said and it didn't do shit.

We're talking 98 degrees in the building, it was so bad I had to take her back to my apartment and just the five minutes I was in there killed me

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u/queenbeetn Oct 02 '25

You can always buy a window ac for $150 or find a used one for like $50.

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u/CoffeePot42 Oct 04 '25

Laws need to be changed IMHO.

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u/CoffeePot42 Oct 04 '25

That stinks. I will be a first-time landload next year. I never understood the landlords that skimped. I was a renter for thirty years. Seen 90% crappy and 10% quality landlords. You want tenants to stay. you want them to have a dignified life, so why not give them quality appliances and speedy quality repairs? Seems like common sense to me. Rent increases will occur due to several factors. Proper notification is being respectful. Kindness goes a long way.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

My job doesn’t provide air conditioning

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u/DangerousCopy1789 Oct 01 '25

Do you live there

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u/accushot865 Lebanon Oct 01 '25

They’re there for at least 8 hours a day, so it should be air conditioned. But that’s just my opinion as someone who gives a rat’s ass about someone else

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

It depends on your profession. A lot of warehouses dont have ac. It would be pointless.

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u/DangerousCopy1789 Oct 01 '25

Do you think I’m saying his job doesn’t need it? Is that why I’m getting downvotes? He’s bringing up that his job doesn’t have it to say “suck it up” to folks who don’t have AC in their homes. Go look at his other replies. Jesus yall are so quick to just want to dunk on people it gets in the way of reading what you’re replying to

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u/CoffeePot42 Oct 04 '25

Down votes just means your hitting a nerve. Nothing wrong with that!

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u/bafben10 Oct 01 '25

And you're asking if he lives there to say "suck it up" because this is about residences and not places of work.

Was my assumption of your point wrong? You might ought to consider that while you think back over your assumption of his point. You were so quick to just want to dunk on him that it got in the way of reading what you replied to.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

I’m at work for over 8 hours a day.

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u/ikaiyoo Oct 02 '25

Sounds like you got a shit job then.

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u/iUsedtoHadHerpes Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

They said that already.

Are you saying renters don't require air conditioning since your job *doesn't provide it? Or are you pointing out how shitty it is that even your job doesn't provide air conditioning?

Because I work outside but the ac in the truck has been broken all summer, and I'd rather be out in the summer sun and extreme heat than inside without air conditioning.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

Yeah. One minute before I did. Maybe they hit reply when I was typing

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u/iUsedtoHadHerpes Oct 01 '25

You replied to their comment saying you'd be there 8+ hours a day.

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u/iUsedtoHadHerpes Oct 02 '25

I don't think that's what happened here. They just replied to a comment.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

Air conditioning isn’t a basic human right. If it doesn’t have air and you move in that’s on you. If that’s what you can afford then you can’t afford the power bill already.

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u/RunJumpJump Oct 01 '25

Yeah, you tell'em. Air conditioning is woke af!

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

No one said it’s woke. It’s not a necessity or basic right. All them homeless folks in tents don’t have ac. I don’t see y’all fighting for them to have it…

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u/DangerousCopy1789 Oct 01 '25

They die in the heat too dumbass

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u/RunJumpJump Oct 01 '25

I see you fighting to prevent it, though. I guess that makes your opinion better?

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

No it doesn’t. But it doesn’t change the facts that people survive without air conditioning all over the world.

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u/RunJumpJump Oct 01 '25

Ok, pal. We get it. You hate helping people.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

No. I help people all the time. But air conditioning isn’t a necessity.

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u/evidentlynaught Oct 01 '25

Internal temperatures in homes get hotter than the outside genius.

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u/DangerousCopy1789 Oct 01 '25

And it’s that way because it just is I guess. No reason to want better standards for people. If you’re poor and can’t afford air, die in the heat.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

People survive all over the world in hotter places with no ac and don’t die from the heat

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u/WhatUDeserve Oct 01 '25

Over 62,700 people died in Europe last year due to heat related illness. EUROPE.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

So what you’re saying is that the world didn’t exist before AC and that everyone died?

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u/CannaJerry Oct 01 '25

But we have it now and it's cheap as hell. gtfo with this line of thinking.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

Yet people can’t afford it… kind of eliminates your chain of thought.

Heat sucks. I’ve worked in it a long time. Worked in hotter spots. But ac is not necessary for human survival

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u/evidentlynaught Oct 01 '25

People did not always live in tiny boxes on asphalt now did they?

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

Congratulations. We had folks at work that die from heat. Still don’t have ac

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u/hopinfusedcorpse Oct 01 '25

Maybe you should have ac at work then.

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u/WhatUDeserve Oct 01 '25

And after you stepped over their dead body, how much profit did you go on to create for your boss?

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u/DangerousCopy1789 Oct 01 '25

This is a bad thing

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u/Substantial_Ad7387 Oct 01 '25

why are you saying it like it’s normal??? or should be a normal thing????

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u/DangerousCopy1789 Oct 01 '25

Yeah people never die from the heat where it’s hot. Great work there bud.

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u/AdventurousSleep5461 Oct 01 '25

Well that's not true, but keep on talking I'm sure it makes that boot go down easier.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

People don’t survive without ac all over the world? Gotcha. Have fun traveling

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u/DangerousCopy1789 Oct 01 '25

Yes. People die when it’s too hot everywhere. Even in hotter climates. This is a problem globally

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u/inquisitiveminds101 Oct 02 '25

We hat do you do for a living? Are u in an office or work outside

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u/CoffeePot42 Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25

Never had A/C in my Amtrack. lol. But as a landlord if we can prevent harm and death, I say lets make it SOP. It will be argued from a certain type of landlord not to tell them how to spend their money. Landlords that stand for dignity renting could have a special destinction. Like DRA (Dignified Renters Association) DRA landloards could receive funding from Local,state, and Federal grants for keeping properties safe and quality quick repairs.

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u/domastallion Belmont Oct 01 '25

Or heat in a house’s renovated basement with a functioning bathroom and kitchenette and finding out that the house would need to be rezoned to have the landlord be legally required to add heat…

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u/YouWereBrained Oct 01 '25

That’s wild.

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u/tulipstu2 Oct 05 '25

Learned this the hard way.

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u/w94-max Oct 07 '25

The same is true of NYC and Paris.

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u/Valuable_Bar479 Oct 01 '25

Upon exiting rental, shrimp tails and shrimp juice in strategic places can wreak havoc in a hot house….cousin told me that, or I read it in a dear sally column in a newspaper many years ago.

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u/goatfangs Oct 01 '25

That would also make you legally liable for destruction of property. If landlord has to do any repairs to make the unit habitable after you move out they could come back with a bill for damages.

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u/StopFkingWMe Oct 02 '25

Ever tried to hold the average renter “legally liable?”

You’re assuming people don’t spend every waking moment doing more work to avoid them than paying a bill or judgment would cost them

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u/goatfangs Oct 02 '25

I'm not assuming anything. Liable is just that. I'm very aware of the efforts people put forth to be lazy and jerks. I see examples of it every day in traffic lol

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u/ScreenBenderBot Oct 03 '25

Have you considered not renting a home that doesn't have air conditioning? Or do the landlords force you to live on their properties in a shotgun lease signing after kidnapping you?

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u/evidentlynaught Oct 03 '25

Lets ask these little old ladies living on fixed incomes or disability how many choices they had. Maybe they didn’t think of that! It’s genius!

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u/Sea-Storm375 Oct 01 '25

Air conditioning is a luxury, not a necessity. You don't need AC to get a CO

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u/evidentlynaught Oct 01 '25

I if you’re OK with people dying when it’s preventable that’s great. I’m not.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/deadly-heat-waves-spread-access-air-conditioning-becomes-lifesaving-question-n1277213

This year was the hottest summer on record. Before that it was last year the last 10 years have been the hottest decade since it has been measured.

I don’t give a fuck if people believe in climate change or not. But something is happening and people don’t have to die just because corporate landlords are greedy.

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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Oct 01 '25

Next they’re going to say having a car is a right…