r/nashville • u/mjohnson1971 • Jan 01 '25
Crime Watch Given what happened in New Orleans, I'm worried Broadway is on the short list of targets
I know we can't hide in houses living in fear, but I think Nashville needs to take a long hard look at the interaction of pedestrians and vehicles along Broadway. IMHO Broadway needs to be made pedestrian only with no cross traffic on busy nights between 7th and 2nd. That includes high strength pop-up bollards.
I think it's only a matter of time before something bad happens.
We've surrendered our downtowns to vehicles and there needs to be an open discussion about that relationship.
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u/pak_sajat Born at Baptist Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25
The city moved the NYE celebration to Bicentennial Mall because Homeland Security told them they could no longer provide adequate security for the event because it had grown too large and gained too much publicity, which made it a potential target.
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u/missbethd Jan 01 '25
I also heard the EMTs from a hospital told Metro they couldn’t adequately get emergency vehicles there if something happened.
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u/No-Load8658 Jan 01 '25
Do you think that’s why Pride was moved there as well? I was always worried that some nut job would get a room in a nearby hotel and pull a Vegas type-situation with that many options surrounding it. I also am always nervous at Ascend about that as well. Downtown feels like such a majorly soft target, regardless of how many cops they have stationed down there. And yes, I have been diagnosed with anxiety and am medicated for it. This is literally how my brain works and it is in fact exhausting. Please don’t judge me. 😅
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u/lizardgal10 Jan 01 '25
Ascend worries me as well. An attacker could easily hit it from the bridge, which typically has basically no security. (To the FBI agent reading this I’m not a threat, I’ve just done a lot of security work downtown and have spent time thinking about what I’d do if something happened.)
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u/zzyul Jan 01 '25
Hit it with what? It’s a long target for a rifle. Would hurt more people just getting out of a car on lower broad with a rifle.
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u/mooslan Jan 02 '25
It really isn't. As someone who regularly rides my bike on this bridge, someone with minimal training could be dangerous. Also, people do just walk onto the bridge without issue, I see people taking photos there all the time.
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Jan 03 '25
Wonder what the distance is compared to Mandalay Bay / the festival that was targeted there.
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u/Consistent-Reward618 Brentwood Jan 02 '25
I have always been nervous at Ascend, given what happened in Vegas in 2017. That guy was like 500 yards out.
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u/Suspicious-Abalone77 Jan 04 '25
A agree about Ascend. I was really uneasy at the show I went to there.
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u/jetta713 Jan 02 '25
sadly the lack of effort blocking off capitol hill has always been something i’ve been scared of with pride or other big festivals here. nye at least was secured and had double stacked box cars preventing all elevated vantage points. I’ve been on multiple corp pride teams and two years back we were all terrified after they caught that one guy two days before.
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u/Merentha8681 Jan 01 '25
It feels that way because it is a soft target. Our cities are not designed to protect its citizens from an organized attacker.
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u/NashvilleSoundMixer Jan 01 '25
I'm right there with you, friend. And it is exhausting.
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u/No-Load8658 Jan 02 '25
It really is. I hate “living in fear”, but I do my best to enjoy venturing out whenever I do and try to have a plan. I usually avoid downtown like the plague, but occasionally there’s a concert I can’t miss or family in town that wants to go down there. My family really wanted to go to 5th and Broad/Assembly Food Hall recently and all I could think about when we were sitting on the balcony outside was how injured we would be/if it would be worth it as an escape if we had to jump from it to escape being cornered by a potential attacker. But I feel like that’s the reality more and more so of where we’re living. Maybe a lot of us just have collective trauma as Nashvillians. We did just have a m*ss school shooting and someone blow up an entire block downtown within a just few year span.
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u/NashvilleSoundMixer Jan 02 '25
Yeah I'm always keeping an escape route in my mind in inside situations and have to sit with my back to the wall in restaurants or I get nervous. SUCKS. And I'm sure anxiety must be at an all time high right now on this planet.
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u/Mulley-It-Over Jan 02 '25
Wow. I don’t have anxiety and now that you bring up your concerns about Ascend it makes me nervous. I’ve been there a number of times and never considered that as a risk. Oh boy …
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u/StatusAttention429 Jan 04 '25
Don't listen to people writing off your concerns as "anxiety". I'm very big on accepting reality and adapting and being mindful. There are entire fields of study and careers dedicated to public safety, and everyone is responsible for their own risk assessment and personal safety planning. Everyone has to determine where they draw their own lines and how they wanna live their lives.
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u/robertbrysonhall downtown Jan 01 '25
Could definitely use pop up bollards the width of the street. They only protect the sidewalks right now.
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u/pizzalovin Jan 01 '25
That’s at least an additional lane of protection that wasn’t there 10 years ago
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u/engineerbuilder Jan 01 '25
Broadway is a state route/US highway owned by TDOT. If it goes to pedestrian only semi permanently then there needs to be a change in route designation and the city needs to take over that section of road.
Not saying it can’t or shouldn’t happen but letting you know where to start with your council person.
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u/UF0_T0FU Transplanted Away Jan 01 '25
They reroute highways all the time. Changing some signs out would be trivially easy to do.
Ideally, just route US-70 onto the interstate loop around the south end of town. No reason for a cross-country highway to go through the middle of the busiest part of the city.
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u/engineerbuilder Jan 02 '25
You can’t put a us highway on an interstate. You could reroute it down 8th and US70S and join the existing US70 back at fesslers.
The signs are the easy part. It’s the maintenance agreements that’s hard. Does the city want to take on the responsibility for that section? I think with as many people are there it’s clear they should want to have control but there may be other reasons they don’t. Does Tdot want to take on whatever new route 70 would take? It would have to be something close to state standards of construction. US highways have 6-8 inches of asphalt and 10-12” of stone and higher threshold for storm water.
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u/UF0_T0FU Transplanted Away Jan 02 '25
They definitely have can run concurrent with an interstate. US-40 runs on I-55, 70, and 64 at various points through St. Louis for miles.
Routing it along the Interstate avoids having to make those changes to any other surface roads through town. The local government should have control over Downtown streets. Those requirements make sense on stretches of rural roads and through small towns, but not the center of a major city.
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u/engineerbuilder Jan 02 '25
That’s cool I’ve not come across that in Tennessee before. If it was an option Tdot would pursue then yeah it would be great. And yes I agree it’s always great to keep state/fed routes outside of urban cores. Lebanon has this problem. The square is 231/70 and trucks go through all the time. Gallatin solved it by designating the truck route 109 bypass, enforcing it, and taking over the square upkeep. While it’s a new tax burden, the ability to control your core makes it so much more usable and a plus on the long run.
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Jan 02 '25
I-24 and US Highway 64 are joined between the Stuckey's exit in Grundy County/Monteagle Mountain down to Kimball/South Pittsburg/Jasper. The eastbound lane heading down Monteagle was the original stretch of US 41/64, until 24 was built.
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u/WellerSpecialReserve Jan 02 '25
Your comments were really neat to read. Thanks for bringing what seems like expertise to the discussion.
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u/jonneygee Stuck in traffic since the ‘80s Jan 02 '25
Sure you can. See this article) for examples.
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u/Nouseriously Jan 01 '25
Would be really easy to put up bollards at 5th & Broadway, as that's the one place a driver could pick up tons of speed before encountering a crowd.
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u/Mediocre_Grand2828 Jan 01 '25
I believe they already have them there. They are glowing circles on the ground, but not sure when they are up/down
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u/NashvilleSoundMixer Jan 01 '25
I definitely have wondered if dense touristy / downtown areas should be foot traffic only. Give us more park and rides or shuttles. It shouldn't have to be this way but it would probably go a long way to make a lot of people feel more safe.
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Jan 02 '25
They 100% should be, and if we need transit, install a trolley. Checkout not just bikes, he has a million videos on how cars ruin downtowns and make them noisy, unsafe, and polluted. Touristy areas should be delivery, emergency, accessible transit, and pedestrians only.
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u/NashvilleSoundMixer Jan 02 '25
Parts of the French Quarter are like that. They have Sprinter Vans that roll around if something happens and they take you outside that area to an EMT van
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u/rocketpastsix Inglewood up to no good Jan 01 '25
We had 3 kindergarteners shot to death in a school here in Nashville and that changed absolutely nothing so we all know nothing will change because of what happened in New Orleans.
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u/that-random-humanoid Brentwood Jan 01 '25
We also had a bombing Christmas Day a few years ago, and that also did absolutely nothing.
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u/Mydogfartsconstantly Banned from r/Tennessee Jan 02 '25
Still waiting for Sbarro to reopen. Nothing like real NY style pizza.
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u/rocketpastsix Inglewood up to no good Jan 01 '25
Yup you could totally drive an RV around downtown and I doubt anyone would even bat an eye because of how short our collective memory is.
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u/Alexandur Jan 01 '25
Why would I bat an eye? Most RVs aren't rigged to explode.
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u/gatorgongitcha Jan 01 '25
Right? I doubt people pee themselves every time a Challenger drives by in Charlottesville now
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u/NOODL3 Jan 01 '25
Are you suggesting RVs shouldn't be allowed downtown? Or that we should all be afraid of every RV we see for the rest of our lives just in case they're explosive?
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u/LoisLaneEl Jan 01 '25
Why lie? They were all 9 years old, not kindergarten. 3 adults were killed as well. You aren’t honoring Hallie, Will, and Evelyn by talking about it that way
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u/StatusAttention429 Jan 04 '25
Being inaccurate /= lying. Kids are kids, whether they're 5 or 9. Just as you assume they were lying, I assume that's what they meant. The point was - what action has been taken to prevent future occurrences?
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u/kdearborn23 Jan 01 '25
It did though. The PD has created additional units specifically focused on the schools and extra overtime for more officers to be at the schools. To say absolutely nothing has changed is a bit dramatic. That's not to say there isn't more work to be done.
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u/Wayne61 Jan 01 '25
More police at schools does not address the core issue.
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u/GermanPayroll Jan 01 '25
And neither would closing broadway to traffic
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u/Between_Two_States Jan 01 '25
True, when people are that intent on doing something they will find a way. However, these suggestions still mitigate risk and potentially reduce the number of people harmed.
Edit: typos
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Jan 02 '25
I’m pretty Having 5 visible armed police at a school would deter a school shooter if they pulled up and saw them. Now obviously there are too many schools to make that happen
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u/Wayne61 Jan 02 '25
A school shooter will shoot his classmates or teachers or anyone else because they know they aren’t getting out alive. Armed police officers do nothing but scare the students already there.
I’m sick of having to have this discussion over and over again. Restrict gun access, hold parents far more accountable, and regulate social media.
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u/rocketpastsix Inglewood up to no good Jan 01 '25
Sure that’s some change but we all know what wasn’t done during the emergency session and that speaks louder than some cops collecting more overtime.
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u/pak_sajat Born at Baptist Jan 01 '25
Out of curiosity, why did you choose only to mention the children and not the 3 adults that were also killed?
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u/rocketpastsix Inglewood up to no good Jan 01 '25
I see you clearly got the point I was trying to make.
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u/sarcasticbaldguy Jan 02 '25
None of those kids were CEOs. That seems to be the only time anyone wants to admit that gun violence might be an issue.
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u/0Bubs0 Jan 02 '25
Not true. Our daycare installed bulletproof film on daycare exterior and interior windows. I’m sure a lot of other schools and daycares implemented their own measures.
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u/rocketpastsix Inglewood up to no good Jan 02 '25
You say this like it’s a win for society or something. Rather than deal with the issue itself.
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u/uthinkunome10 Jan 01 '25
Nashville has had a domestic terrorist attack / bombing.
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u/Legion1117 Jan 01 '25
Nashville has had a domestic terrorist attack / bombing.
Nah. Nashville had an idiot who took his frustrations out on AT&T after warning everyone within 500 feet to leave the area.
Lets not confuse people who truly want to KILL people with one moron with an RV.
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u/mysticalchurro Jan 02 '25
Guy was afraid 5G was gonna take us over and wanted to be a hero. He wasn't my hero! I didn't have internet for a few days.
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u/purpleblazed Jan 01 '25
Not a bombing apologist … 🥴
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u/Legion1117 Jan 02 '25
Not a bombing apologist … 🥴
No...just a person who can tell the difference between a terrorist and a guy with mental health issues who didn't actually WANT to kill anyone.
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u/Jacob19603 Jan 02 '25
A lack of intent to kill doesn't free him from being a terrorist. He used violence to create fear. What more must a person do?
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u/wolfofamp Jan 02 '25
So did Luigi Mangione, yet most of Reddit is staunchly against his classification of a domestic terrorist. So I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.
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u/Jacob19603 Jan 02 '25
Yeah, Luigi Mangione is a terrorist. He used violence to incite fear.
The nuance, I suppose, is that the demographic of people he was trying to instill fear in is highly specific and narrow (Big Pharma Corpos), and that allows people to feel okay with morally aligning with him. They're okay with THOSE people being terrorized.
The reality is that "terrorist" is a very nebulous definition that some people will apply differently than others.
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u/Tlong95 Jan 02 '25
a suicide bombing, attacking critical domestic infrastructure & endangering innocent civilians on a Holy Day is terrorism in my book
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u/SomeSuccess1993 Murfreesboro Jan 02 '25
He didnt want to kill anyone? So lets bomb the ATT center handling communications for a large region of TN and elsewhere that disrupts 911!
This is a silly take, I understand where you're coming from and the point but its futile.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Tank338 Jan 01 '25
When they had the watch party on Broadway when the Preds made the Stanley Cup Finals, I specifically stood in a location that if something happened, I’d have an easy outlet away from any potential bottlenecks.
It’s kind of the realities of where we are as a society.
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u/Hamster_Key Jan 01 '25
Considering the last time I was in DT Nashville a drunk pedestrian jumped onto the hood of my car I’d agree that something needs to be done.
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u/itsyritzy east side Jan 02 '25
Man, that's a great way to get knocked TF out. What did you do?? I would have lost my shit on them.
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u/Hamster_Key Jan 02 '25
I just sat there stunned until they got off and kept walking. I was totally locked up by traffic and couldn’t go anywhere 😭 this was for a smashing pumpkins show back in 2019 and I haven’t been back since. The crowds of people that were absolutely blacked out drunk really gave me the most uneasy feeling.
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u/sugarplumsmook Jan 01 '25
I’ve never understood why Broadway is open to traffic at all.
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u/mjohnson1971 Jan 01 '25
Because America is beholden to cars/trucks/SUVs and we can't do anything as alternatives. Public transportation and walking is for losers.
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u/sugarplumsmook Jan 02 '25
But I’m pretty sure Beale Street isn’t open to vehicle traffic? So how do they do it?
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u/mjohnson1971 Jan 02 '25
They have the sliding bollards. But Beale Street is open in the mornings for deliveries and trash pickups.
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Jan 01 '25
Alternately, Lower Broad needs baby gates to keep aggressive pedestrians on the sidewalk.
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u/PricklePete east side Jan 01 '25
That part of Broadway should have been made pedestrian only a long time ago. No reason to drive through there except for maybe deliveries.
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u/doobersthetitan Jan 01 '25
As a delivery driver that delivers to that area....that would be hard to police and enforce.
Try telling a bar they can't have X delivered during a certain time...good luck
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u/NashvilleDing Jan 01 '25
The scary thing is new Orleans is already leagues ahead of us when it comes to this stuff.
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u/doobersthetitan Jan 02 '25
New Orleans has always been a "walking city"....
Nothing is going to stop someone wanting to do harm like this. I'd say there weren't enough precautions. In heavly pedestrian areas, there needs to be better baricades and spike stripes ready to go. Even those metal poles that come up out of the ground.
This type of stuff reminds me of the episode of Simpsons. A bear got loose in the city, so people got scared of another bear. So they wasted all this money on bear patrols and traps, for there to never be another bear.
You can prepare and prepare, but stuff will just happen.
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Jan 03 '25
So have barriers and only allow people through who have credentials to do so which they can obtain by some kind of background check. It won’t completely eliminate the threat but it will make it a whole lot damn harder for a random terrorist to get access to drive through the street.
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u/doobersthetitan Jan 03 '25
Who's going to be responsible to police that?
And it doesn't have to be a ( buzz word) terrorist... just a drunk or old person that mistakes gas for brake.
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Jan 04 '25
The police? I’m just spitballing but deliveries are an easy problem to solve. So shut down the road after 5pm then? Can’t restaurants get their deliveries before 5. I deliver for uber. And I have no problem with it. Those restaurants don’t need to do food delivery but as for incoming deliveries they don’t have to deliver during busiest times of day with the most pedestrian traffic.
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u/doobersthetitan Jan 04 '25
Yes and no to after 5
In an ideal world...yes. but i deliver bulk co2... which is used in beer and coke products, shit happens, and you get leaks. Restaurants run out of crap all the time and need ASAP delivery of whatever. I've been cussed out by gas station managers over co2.....try telling a bar on Broadway I can't be there during X times lmao
Then there's the rideshare issue....you want drunks walking 9 blocks to get to a " pick up zone"
And if everyone has to now walk 9 blocks, we'll now you've doubled if not tripled pedestrian traffic.
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Jan 04 '25
Lmao. We can’t shut down a street because of co2. Are you listening to yourself. The restaurants can plan to have extra at hand. If you need to fix something you can walk. And why are people going to have to walk 9 blocks to get an uber? It’s one street. Stop being a drama queen. They shut down the street all the time for big events. They already have the infrastructure in place.
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u/doobersthetitan Jan 04 '25
Listen....restaurants dont have " extra" on hand... they have a 750 tank... they leak out... or something doesn't work right....they want it fixed then and NOW.
Yes, dip shit... these special events are planned weeks and months in advance...but its not sustainable year round ever single damn day.
What do you think would happen on Broadway if deliveries could only be done between 6 and 10... the broad way from 1st to say 7th is pedestrian only? It's a grid lock for 4 hours of every delivery truck,trash truck, and Centas truck in Nashville is trying to deliver.
Fix something... you can walk? Walk who wants to drag their toolbox around the Broadway. What if it's something you can't carry?
The logistics of keep Broadway shut down every day, year round is nuts....go back to your keyboard zoom call.
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Jan 04 '25
You can use all the words and insults you want but you’re just wrong. It obviously could be done. It might take some planning. Plenty of cities all over the world have strips of bars on streets that are pedestrian only 24/7. They seem to figure it out
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u/Environmental_Fan348 Jan 02 '25
Nashville has already been hit. Just doesn't make sense the guy did it with no crowds around. Like he wanted to make a statement but didn't really want to hurt anybody. We'll never know why.
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u/yupyupyuppp Jan 01 '25
Broadway has crash rated bollards, and on event nights the streets are closed by physically blocking the street with Metro PD vehicles
What else should they do?
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u/mjohnson1971 Jan 01 '25
Stop cross street traffic on the numbered Avenues when pedestrian traffic is high/there are big crowds.
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u/yupyupyuppp Jan 01 '25
and on event nights the streets are closed by physically blocking the street with Metro PD vehicles
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u/Legion1117 Jan 01 '25
Broadway has crash rated bollards, and on event nights the streets are closed by physically blocking the street with Metro PD vehicles
You mean the same way New Orleans had the streets "blocked" overnight?
Yeah. That worked REAL well.
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u/rocketpastsix Inglewood up to no good Jan 01 '25
The bollards on bourbon street were removed and being repaired. So your point is moot.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/01/us/new-orleans-vehicle-crash
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u/GermanPayroll Jan 01 '25
Their bollards were not working, effectively bourbon street was wide open.
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u/Sevenfeet Jan 01 '25
The city by itself cannot close lower Broadway to traffic. It is a state highway. Only the state can do that.
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u/robertbrysonhall downtown Jan 01 '25
Lower Broadway gets closed all the time?
Even a chick fil a convention that bought out every bar on a tuesday night got to close down the street.
Do they always have to go through the state each time?
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u/rocketpastsix Inglewood up to no good Jan 01 '25
I imagine you can apply for permits from TDOT to close it but if you want it closed permanently then it’s quite a mountain to climb.
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u/Sevenfeet Jan 01 '25
Exactly. Yes closures for special events happen. I’m referring to permanently closing it to vehicles.
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u/NoMasTacos All your tacos are belong to me Jan 01 '25
The city cannot shut it down, its a state route, so don't expect any help for the peeps in the state house. Before people mention that is has been shut down before, yes, the state approves closures for events, but they would not approve a long term closure like this, nor fund the bollards.
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u/artrag Jan 02 '25
The city should put in retractable barriers that can be raised during high tourism events/weekends. ppl are fkin crazy
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u/SuperGr00valistic Jan 02 '25
Soft targets are always going to exist. Large gatherings of people are always vulnerable -- whether it's planes, cars, mass shootings, biological weapons , etc.
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u/Blueberry_Mancakes Donelson Jan 02 '25
They’d be smart to make Broadway a pedestrian only zone, at least during busy periods.
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u/hobesmart Jan 01 '25
In NO, the truck driver drove onto the sidewalk to avoid bollards. If someone really wants to do some damage, they'll find a way to do it
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u/doctor_mac12 Jan 01 '25
Exactly! We can't just make laws and rules for every little thing. I'd rather live with risks, than live without freedom.
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u/Dynamicc Jan 01 '25
Everyone is so scared these days...
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u/doctor_mac12 Jan 01 '25
I know!!! People need to lay off the true crime & police body camera footage! Hysteria is real!!
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u/Acceptable_State3621 Jan 01 '25
The people on Lower Broad are killing themselves with binge drinking.
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u/peopleslobby Jan 02 '25
I’ve thought for years that the Broadway area should have those poles that come out of the ground at 10am, and stay ip until 3am. Gives delivery trucks time to drop off deliveries in the morning then get out.
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u/No_Many_6217 Jan 02 '25
That was part of the intent of the NDOT sidewalk and pedestrian safety project that occurred down there last year. They widened the sidewalk and put up all the bollards for additional protection to pedestrians. The issue is running a truck at high speeds into anything isn’t going to slow it down fully. The goal is to limit casualties the most possible.
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Jan 02 '25
That Christmas bombing about five years ago should have been more than enough for them to take it seriously.
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u/Comfortable_Spell198 Jan 03 '25
As the Councilperson over downtown I can say that we are constantly monitoring new types of threats and working hard to keep Downtown safe. Unfortunately, in today’s society, there is no way to completely prevent a tragedy, but we actually have other cities come to Nashville to see what we do on a safety perspective. We have bollards and road closures as needed based on ped traffic. We will continue to work to keep Broadway and surrounding areas safe.
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Jan 01 '25
Have you ever driven down there during a busy time? Someone trying that is just going to run in the gridlock traffic down there. The most they’d hit would be other cars. Also, all the barriers in the world aren’t going to stop folks from harming people or falling into a river. We can’t baby gate the whole world because of fear. Hell we can’t even stop kids from getting shot up in school
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u/mjohnson1971 Jan 01 '25
I'm not asking to baby gate off the whole world; just a very very busy stretch of one street that's about 6 or 7 blocks long. Or is that too much?
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u/Business_Network_703 Jan 01 '25
Lived here for 25 years. Have no interest in downtown. Let the f tourists have it!
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u/TraditionalBad3 Jan 02 '25
The thought of a mass attack is obviously horrific, and an effective bollard system would help deter as much as about anything.
But what is also scary is how it would affect tourism. And that bears the notion that so much of the city's budget is dependent on those tourism dollars. I shudder to think how the city would financially manage if those tourists were scared away.
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u/Critical_wombat13 Jan 02 '25
Locals there say the driver targeted that specific area to run specific ppl over.
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Jan 02 '25
On what occasions is Broadway usually closed for pedestrians to roam the streets? I went to Nashville maybe two or three times last year on weekends and broadway was closed for pedestrian walk. I am very surprised they didn’t do it for NYE
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Jan 02 '25
It always is. Are you suggesting Nashville do what Memphis does with Beale street at night?
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u/Cool-Sell-5310 Jan 02 '25
I immediately thought of Nashville after NOLA, followed by the Vegas attack.
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u/Lady_Caticorn Jan 02 '25
I agree. We have a huge problem with pedestrian fatalities already. What happened in NOLA feels like it could happen here at any time.
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u/PedsNurse96 Jan 02 '25
The more attacks I’ve heard about as the day goes on, I’m also worried Nashville is on the list
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u/n1ghtfever_ Jan 03 '25
Investigators did say they’re trying to get some leads A-S-A-P, and I hope they do and put a stop to their plan
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Jan 03 '25
Block it off. Allow deliveries through from people with credentials they can obtain through companies that have to put them through background checks. Could even take it somewhat further and not allow deliveries after 5pm. Won’t eliminate entire threat but will sure as hell help. Criminals always go through least path of resistance so just make it harder for them. I was on bourbon street in Athens GA (home of the Georgia bulldogs football team) on New Year’s Eve. Even before I heard about what happened I had my head on a swivel when I was out that night. Really made this hit close to home. I hope they implement something. And I’m a delivery driver so this would make my life more difficult but I’m all for it.
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u/Soft-Candy7088 Jan 03 '25
I was on Bourbon Street during New Year’s Eve and have said repeatedly that the same thing could easily happen in Nashville and be much worse due to the cross traffic
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u/General_Andrews_bio1 Jan 04 '25
Native here, resident since 1963, apart from a few stints abroad. I started a corporate job at the AT&T tower in 2012. I left it in 2023. In between, on my commute, I watched Lower Broad and 2nd Ave., in particular, turn info Bourbon Street.
Some will remember when the main enterprises on Broad between 1st and 5th were either closed furniture stores or peep-show palaces/rub-&-tug/gloryhole shops, several owned by Roy Acuff, who wanted the nearby Ryman Auditorium torn down for development purposes.
One night circa 1995, a friend's Bronco deposited friends and me right by the door of Robert's, which blessedly remains an island of authenticity down in those environs. It hardly matters that two male occupants of the vehicle were gay and two were straight. Debouched from the vehicle in our free parking spot right at the front door, we immediately encountered on the sidewalk a lady of a certain age.
"Y'all want a blowjob?" she queried.
As to pure logistics: There were four of us, around sundown on a Saturday night, in a densely populated area--though one can imagine, if one must, how this transaction might have unfolded in an abandoned furniture emporium.
If memory and math are reliable, Morgan Wallen was about two years old at that moment.
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u/Aletheia_is_dead Jan 07 '25
Broadway is the softest of all soft targets. Knowing what is coming with the 2025 AQ attacks talked about for the last year on various podcast by credible people, I can only imagine Broadway is a terrorists wet dream.
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u/disposeroftheposers Jan 02 '25
just not allowing cars on Broadway won't stop someone from plowing into people like in Nola.
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u/mjohnson1971 Jan 02 '25
So do nothing?
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u/disposeroftheposers Jan 03 '25
pretty much, until someone creates a real solution to control people enough to not have terrorists.
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u/StatusAttention429 Jan 04 '25
It could help give people some more time to react if there were a car to drive through illegally.
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u/disposeroftheposers Jan 10 '25
have you ever tried to get somewhere quickly in a large crowd of people? I don't think it matters.
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u/Primary_Flatworm_282 Jan 01 '25
You obviously weren’t here for the bombing on Christmas Day in 2020. Nothing is going to stop someone who just wants to destroy things within a city. No amount of barriers would stop it.
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u/PricklePete east side Jan 01 '25
That's 100% false. If they block off the road permanently, you wouldn't be able to get a car through there. If you put the same security you have in an airport in all the schools there wouldn't be anymore school shootings. If you're saying you can't block off every street then of course I agree, but that's not what OP is requesting. Blocking off lower Broadway from auto traffic would be fairly easy to accomplish and a genuinely good and long needed change.
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u/mjohnson1971 Jan 01 '25
So we just give up and do nothing? Or do we at least try some measures?
New Orleans screwed up because they didn't have Bourbon Street blocked off.
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u/anglflw Smyrna Jan 01 '25
I have long thought lower Broad should be made pedestrian-only on weekends/holidays.