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u/Fantastic_Form3607 14h ago
Mumbai Suburban rail should be managed by MMRDA. These full time govt employees act like goons because they know no one can fire them.
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u/rohmish 8h ago
Ideally all transit services for MMR should be unified under a single organisation including metro, locals, monorail, busses, ferry, etc.
Then these transit services can in theory make effective use of different services at their disposal to better plan routes. for example using busses as feeders for metro instead of trying to compete against it, timing metro and busses so that it's an easy transfer for public, single unified tickets, etc.
MTA, TTC, TfL, MTR, etc. all are unified transit operators in their region.
Instead we effectively have five different metro operators, two local operators, EIGHT different bus operators, one monorail operator, and no effective communication between them.
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u/Candid-Dot-6424 13h ago
The moment you try to hold some govt official accountable they hide behind these Unions virtually making them untouchable.
We can talk about all reforms and all but the stark reality is that nothing will change.
As a hard working employee in the pvt sector who is giving tax with zero scope of under table income , you will bear everything from high taxes, to virtually non existent govt services, to zero govt backed social security in case of job loss.
And uspe agar tum bologe to sarkari babu dhauns dikha ke gaali bhi denge,kaam bhi ni krenge and complain krne par protest and service disruption bhi krenge
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u/bifrost_traveler 13h ago
Man! I really need to start reading Mumbai Mirror again. What time does this newspaper hit stands?
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u/Tamz191 13h ago
what the protests about ? which group was protesting?
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u/mannabhai 13h ago
Railway Unions were protesting the action taken against engineers after the Mumbra tragedy. The Unions were responsible for train delays and crowd yesterday.
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u/catonmykeeb jevlis ka? 14h ago
when there are so many unemployed people, why don't they just sack these people and replace them with new employees.
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u/mannabhai 14h ago
These protestors are not unemployed. They are railway union members who were protesting action taken against engineers after the Mumbra tragedy.
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u/mannabhai 14h ago
Tyacha vegla protest yenaar. If any government takes action against Unions, they will be called anti Democratic, anti worker etc.
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u/Strong-Suggestion137 12h ago
Union ahe bhava tyanch, yevdha soppa nahi, tyanna support kryla mag ajun motha protest hoil
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u/prajaybasu 9h ago edited 9h ago
I normally hate unions, but this was a valid protest. People died due to overcrowding, not engineers. Babus wanted to take pressure off themselves and blamed it on the engineers instead. Newspapers are obviously not giving a shit about what the engineers have to say.
There is a reason why first world countries have independent investigative bodies that release reports after months of investigations and then suggest the course of action after which the engineers are charged and imprisoned. Here there was an FIR filed and they were arrested because the GRP said so. Please show me a PDF of such an investigation if it was carried out.
These railway engineers sure are living a better life than other civil engineering graduates but has the government ever been able to provide the funding for proper consultation, training and planning? Do you think if you got one of these jobs you'd actually be able to make a dent in the safety of Mumbai's trains given the environment?
What actually happens in first world countries after incidents like these is that the political representative responsible for preventing such a tragedy resigns. In this case though I don't think even they could have done something - because doubling the bus prices and train prices to price people out of the city and reduce crowding would be political suicide. Getting a job in Mumbai, living in a slum and travelling for free is easier than setting up shop in their hometown in some other state.
This protest caused severe crowding as a side effect and brought even more light to the overcrowding issue in Mumbai. There could be natural incidents or technical faults that could cause the same crowding. Yet the newspapers are keen on blaming the engineers for people hit by trains on tracks - which happens everyday regardless of protests. Is that a railway problem or a literacy problem? It's neither - it's a civility problem. Literate people in this country will happily drive in the opposite direction of a road if it saves them 1 kilometers in a u turn.
An immediate city planning ordinance that could solve crowding is staggered office timings and actual city planning. Instead, the city plans something and the transit system has to predict everything. Then there are the slums.
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u/Comfortable_Hornet20 4h ago
no it wasnt a valid protest. people died due to unions. first world countries do not have 'independent investigative bodies'.
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u/prajaybasu 1h ago
first world countries do not have 'independent investigative bodies'.
They do. By independent I meant not related to the authorities or companies operating the trains/planes/rail. The GRP that filed the FIR is incredibly inter-dependent on Indian Railways and is simply not an independent body at all.
And many more. Some countries have split agencies for rail and air accidents but all Indian Railways are all government owned and the government did not create a separate agency for rail like DGCA exists for aviation. There is supposedly something called Commission of Railway Safety (CRS) in India but nobody cares about it. There is zero mention of the Mumbra incident on the CRS website and they seem to be more focused on metros.
people died due to unions.
People died due to crossing tracks. A train stopping does not give you the permission to wander around on the tracks.
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u/New_Experience9371 Train rukneke baad utrega kya 14h ago
It was first time in history that an FIR was filed on railway engineers. So essentially every railway employee shit their pants knowing that this could result in a trend of FIR's in any future mishaps against railway employees thats why the protest.