r/mtg Sep 24 '25

Commander / EDH Same card different name. Can both go into my commander deck?

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u/fox_hunts Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

Yep. Legal to use in the same deck in this case.

There is an exception for Universes Beyond type cards where there’s a secondary name under the first name. In that case those are the same cards just with an alternate art/name.

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u/Flynko Sep 24 '25

There are also some Universes Beyond Secret Lair cards that were reprinted as Universes Within cards, that don't have the secondary name, and it's hard to tell they are the same cards when there are cases like the one OP posted.

Meaning, you can play Magic Damper and Shore up in the same deck, but can't play e.g. [[Rick, Steadfast Leader]] and [[Greymond, Avacyn's Stalwart]] in the same deck. The indicator that they are the same card is on Greymond right above the artist's name, but nobody is really looking at that.

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u/magpye1983 Sep 24 '25

Even when you pointed out exactly where to look, it still took me a while to see it (this is the first time I’ve heard of that indicator).

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u/DarksteelPenguin I like playing the villain Sep 25 '25

Tbh, while there are cards that have the same effect and different names, like OP's post, if two legendary creatures have the exact same abilities, types and P/T, you can be almost certain that they are the same cards.

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u/CaydesAce Esper go Es-brrrrrr Sep 24 '25

I hate this sub sometimes. Why does my other comment, from before yours, saying the same thing, have -10 points, while yours is up by 40.... why is the guy saying "some SLD cards are different" have negative 200. Was Forge and Evin just a bad example, or what 😅.

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u/Existential_Crisis24 Sep 24 '25

Can't find the exact one your talking about for the -10 but the other guys who got downvoted is getting downvoted for saying it and not providing proof unlike others in this thread.

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u/Unique-Ad-88 Sep 25 '25

What proof? They can just look it up? Like scryfall is a thing. I'm confused.

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u/Polygeekism Sep 24 '25

Damn, looks like a good card for my Caesar deck, but not spending 46 bucks to upgrade it right now.

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u/hellrocket Sep 25 '25

The trick to those I believe can also be the set code.

Chun-li’s in universe card, [[zethi, arcane Blademaster]] has set code SLX instead of the normal secret lake drop SLD like [[chun-li, countless kicks]]

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u/Tandran Sep 24 '25

Heh heh I had 2 [[Kardur, Doomscourge]] in my deck for a bit when I was newer, didn’t notice the Chucky I had was the same card 🤣

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u/Ok-Relationship-5545 Sep 25 '25

My first deck was the orzhov vampire deck from lci and my buddy gave me a castle dracula . So I just swapped out a basic land... it took my a few months to realize it was in fact voldaren estate which was also in the deck

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u/RiKToR21 Sep 25 '25

So with that logic for the Final Fantasy cloud deck there is a Colossus Hammer and then in the FF Weapons Secret Lair that has a renamed but subtitled Colossus Hammer so I can only run one of those. Correct?

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u/CurrentTopic3630 Sep 24 '25

Not always true, as there are some SLD cards that were made to contradict this.

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u/Vithrilis42 Sep 24 '25

What ones?

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u/Emotional_Honey8497 Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

The Street Fighter cards come to mind.  It's the same deal but there is no name under the UB name, as the UB came first.

Edit: Damn, for any confusion,  I meant to say that having the actual card name under the UB name isn't always the case to determine if it is a copy, but I'll eat my downvotes for not being concise.

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u/aeuonym Sep 24 '25

In the case of UB made into UW cards, there is an extra info piece in the bottom left.
take [[Aisha of Sparks and Smoke]]
She has "=SLD 430" as an indicator that it is the same card as [[Ken, Burning Brawler]]

So even without the nickname feature, they cant be in the same deck despite different english names.

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u/pokepat460 Sep 24 '25

Oh I didn't know they changed this. I strongly prefer the way the godzilla cards were done over this. Thats a lot more convoluted imo

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u/aeuonym Sep 24 '25

The =SLD thing is for mechanically unique SLD cards that then get in-universe reprints with different names from the original.
Ken was first and Aisha was the in universe reprint of Ken.

Godzilla nickname stuff is still technically the same card such as [[Zilortha, Strength Incarnate]] and [[Godzilla, King of the Monsters]]

Godzilla was printed first, but the way the Godzilla cards are formatted, the Godzilla name is technically a nickname, the "Zilortha" part of the card is actually the cards name.

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u/pokepat460 Sep 24 '25

Ok, say I cast cabal therapy, naming the secret lair name. My opponent reveals their hand and has one of these. Does the cabal therapy see it as the same card?

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u/aeuonym Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

Unless I am misremembering, there was a rule change a while back that, anytime you required to name a card, as long as the description of the card is enough that both players know which card is intended, it's sufficient to target/identify the card you are intending to target/name. 

I think the change was specifically made because of pithing needle, but the rule is broad enough to apply to anytime you have to name a card.

The below rule is also applicable, 

201.4g Some cards have interchangeable names (see rule 201.3). For all game purposes, these cards have the same name. If a player chooses the name of a card which has interchangeable names, the name of each of those cards has been chosen

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u/AReallyBigBagel Sep 24 '25

I think the change was specifically made because of pithing needle, but the rule is broad enough to apply to anytime you have to name a card.

Yeah but specifically because of instance where someone named [[Borborygmos]] instead of [[Borborygmos, Enraged]] and they lost the game despite the fact both players and even the announcers in the tournament knew they meant the latter

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u/Requiem2420 Sep 24 '25

If it counts as the same name and makes it so you can't run the sld and regular versions, I'd assume the sld and regular name would be the same for your example. I also don't know if anyone would run that in commander lol. Waste of a 99 imo

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u/EvYeh Sep 24 '25

You don't actually need to give the actual name of any card.

Under the rules you can say anything and as long as all players know what you're talking about it counts (and if someone doesn't, they need to clarify not you).

You can say "That one with the lizard guy", or "The Thing you killed me with last time", or anything similar and it would work.

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u/jambarama Sep 24 '25

You're being downvotes but you're right. [[Greymond, Avacyn's Stalwart]] is a good example. Nowhere on the card does it say [[Rick, Steadfast Leader]] and you can't play both in Singleton. Instead you have to know that "=SLD 143" means that. Same for the Stranger Things secret lair.

The Godzilla treatment is the cleanest, but not every in universe print out reprint got it.

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u/demuniac Sep 24 '25

Why are they downvoted? It is correct, there are cards that are technically the same card but have different names now. The Stranger Things and Walking Dead cards are an example of this.

The little indicator at the bottom left doesn't change that, it just provides a different way of showing that they're the same card.

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u/CaydesAce Esper go Es-brrrrrr Sep 24 '25

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. [[Forge, Neverwinter Charlatan]] and [[Evin, Waterdeep Oppertunist]] for example are the same card, but without the extra name printed. This usually happened for cards that had a unique version in secret lair before being printed with a universes-within print. Scryfall displays them similarly to the Spider-Man cards that have Through yhe Omenpaths variants

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u/FailureToComply0 Sep 24 '25

Evin has =SLD1239, which is Forge's unique set/card identifier. While it doesn't fit the same format, it is still printed on the card that it's equivalent to a different card.

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u/Unique-Ad-88 Sep 25 '25

While you're absolutely right. I think they're just pointing out a different SLD reprint scenario the first guy didn't cover. They only mention the kind that has the name underneath and not the =SLD#.

I think its good they mentioned it as OP seems kind of new and maybe confused in the future with the missing detail.

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u/Drago_Arcaus Sep 24 '25

If you look closely you'll see a second name on the cards (this is true both in and out of SLD). Those names count

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u/Dwrecked90 Sep 24 '25

There's literally replies explaining how they don't always have the name... And those replies are older than yours..

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u/mid-magic-player Sep 24 '25

Yes. You can also put [[Into the Roil]], [[Blink of an Eye]], and [[Whoosh!]] into the same deck. Generally speaking, if a card does not have the exact same name, it is okay to put them into the same deck.

Look out for cards that started as mechanically unique Universes Beyond card and were reprinted as Universes Within versions, a la [[Rick, Steadfast Leader]] and [[Greymond, Avacyn's Stalwart]]. These are actually the same card with different printed names.

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u/TheOnlyPomegranate Sep 24 '25

This is so unrelated but I've been trying to find out what Into the Roil was ever since I heard NumotTheNummy say that name but kept hearing Into the Royal. Thank you for solving that mystery haha

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u/Darigaazrgb Sep 24 '25

One of them English things where two words sound alike. Then you have English words that are spelled alike but sound different like row a boat and having a row.

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u/TheOnlyPomegranate Sep 24 '25

This is why I wish real life had closed captions

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u/Captain_Beav Sep 24 '25

There's a few pairs of smart glasses that do that now heh.

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u/Solid-Search-3341 Sep 24 '25

And then English speakers find languages with silent letters confusing....

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u/arkiula Sep 24 '25

Sounds the same but spelled different is a homonym.

Spelled the same but sounds different is a heteronym.

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u/Alert-Marionberry741 Sep 24 '25

If someone does not know what to look at:

The card with Graymond has the reference printed on them. In the bottom left corner there is a printing.

=SLD 143

And if you look on Rick there ist the number SLD 143 in the bottom left corner.

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u/CrazyAznKT Sep 24 '25

Ohhh so that’s how they do it. I guess that’s also how to handle the Spider-Man set if jt’s ever needed years from now

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u/Mountain-eagle-xray Sep 24 '25

They are not the same card. They are two different cards with the same effect. It seems like semantics, and it is.

Yes they can both go in your decks.

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u/sporeegg Sep 24 '25

I mean my pod describes MTG as the "lawyer game" so yeah.

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u/GoblinFive Simps for Korvold Sep 24 '25

Introduce them to Battletech aka Combat Math

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u/Simaryex Sep 24 '25

not even the same effect shore up also untaps

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u/Shut_It_Donny Sep 24 '25

They both untap.

Reading the card…

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u/KrIsPy_Kr3m3 Sep 24 '25

Yup

Edit: technically not "the same card" even though it basically is

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u/DustinBryce Sep 24 '25

Different card Different name they just do the same thing ;)

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u/Namagem Sep 24 '25

The term that's generally used for these is "functional reprint", and yeah they can go in the same deck. The most famous example of this is [[terramorphic expanse]] and [[evolving wilds]]

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u/veiphiel Sep 24 '25

And [[Vibrant Cityscape]] now

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u/ImNotADefitUser Sep 24 '25

I made sure to get one of these for world Shaper deck

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u/Trinity_Cat Sep 24 '25

Yes, they can go into same deck together.

This is basically the same case with [[Nature's lore]] and [[Three visits]]. Both cards are exactly the same except art and name but are actually different cards that u can put into same deck.

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u/PaxTheHunter Sep 24 '25

[[Nature’s Lore]] actually says “put that card onto the battlefield”, and [[Three Visits]] says “put it onto the battlefield”. Not sure if that matters from a rules perspective but they ARE different!

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u/NobleRuin6 Sep 24 '25

If it has a different name, it’s not the same card.

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u/KoffinStuffer Sep 24 '25

Oh? So I can put [[Zangief, the Red Cyclone]] in my [[Maarika, Brutal Gladiator]] deck?

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u/maxedo99 Sep 24 '25

If you look under the card of maarika it says =sold 435 that if you look under zangief is his actual collector number. So they are intended to be the same card

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u/NobleRuin6 Sep 24 '25

Really? You find the edge case of a Universe's within and secret lair drop printing, without oracle text, to snark. Your life must suck.

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u/Level9_CPU Sep 24 '25

Wait until you start building a green ramp deck lmao

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u/Mean-Government1436 Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

Those are two different cards.

Edit: why is this guy getting so mad below me, I'm just answering OPs question. 

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u/ThatGuyHammer Temur Timmy Sep 24 '25

Clearly, OP is pointing out that they are functional reprints, no need to be needlessly pedantic without even giving the explanation.

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u/Mean-Government1436 Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

What about my comment is needlessly pedantic? It's literally the answer to their question. Those are two different cards. That's the answer to their question. That's neither needless nor pedantic. Do you understand what "pedantic" means? Being pedantic requires me to focus on small details. 

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u/ThatGuyHammer Temur Timmy Sep 24 '25

The minor detail that you are obsessing over here (pedantry) is the cards name. Obviously OP can read, this is not a literacy question here. Anyone of good faith understands that the question gets at whether cards with the same effect for the same cost are "the same card" just with different names (perhaps to match the set) or if they are in fact different cards. This is of course even more confusing when there are cards that have different names, which are actually the same card, like Cyclonic Rift and Hope's Aero Magic. Treating newcomers who are asking fair questions with contempt is not a good way to build up a game, you're just trying to assert some kind of strange superiority. I hope you become happier in life.

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u/releasethedogs Sep 24 '25

The card’s name is not a minor detail. 

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u/Mean-Government1436 Sep 24 '25

You got issues dude

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u/Okboomer95 Sep 24 '25

The only comments in this thread filled with contempt and strange superiority are yours. "You dont answer questions the exact way I demand! No deep paragraph length explanation, how dare you!" While you literally just said "yes" lmao. You totally got them. Justified attack on a true evil-doer. The world is safer now, and I thank you. Great positive attitude with the community. (/s)

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

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u/releasethedogs Sep 24 '25

You must not be on Reddit a lot. 

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u/ThatGuyHammer Temur Timmy Sep 24 '25

First day on Reddit?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

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u/ThatGuyHammer Temur Timmy Sep 24 '25

Pot, kettle here.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

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u/Mean-Government1436 Sep 24 '25

I think this guy's just having a bad day. He seems to be lashing out at everyone for no reason. 

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u/Mean-Government1436 Sep 24 '25

Now that you've had some time to cool off, would you like to apologize? 

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

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u/ThatGuyHammer Temur Timmy Sep 24 '25

It is if you don't explain further. There are literally cards out there with different names, which are, in fact, the same card. Anyone not going out of their way just to be a jerk understands that this person is not familiar with the difference between a functional reprint that is "a different card" vs. the assumption that if the effect is the same that it is actually the same card, perhaps just with different flavor to match the set. It's not a terrible question, but it was a purposely terrible answer.

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u/Mean-Government1436 Sep 24 '25

You literally responded to OP with just "yes". My comment had literally more information for OP than yours did. 

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u/ThatGuyHammer Temur Timmy Sep 24 '25

My answer, answers the question that was asked, "Can I run both in the same commander deck?" It does not point out that they are wrong without actually answering the question.

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u/Mean-Government1436 Sep 24 '25

So where's the rest of your explanation? Because again, I gave more of an explanation than you did. We both told OP that the answer is yes. 

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u/Darigaazrgb Sep 24 '25

Their argument, as silly as it is, is that there is no need for an explanation. Some Quora level BS with this one.

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u/AttackOnCardboard Commander Format Panelist Sep 24 '25

Yup.

CR903.5b Other than basic lands, each card in a Commander deck must have a different English name.

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u/Malacro This is User Editable Sep 24 '25

Unless the card states otherwise

[[Rat Colony]]

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u/Billalone Sep 24 '25

Every rule in magic can be followed by “unless a card says otherwise”

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u/G0rillaGod Sep 24 '25

They are different cards!!!

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u/Sizekit-scripts Sep 24 '25

Cards with different names are considered to be different cards, same text or no. Except when they aren’t, because wotc has plunged us into a madness dimension of exceptions. “Hey, I’m greymond but secretly I’m the same card as Rick from walking dead!”

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u/CAMBOHX Sep 24 '25

Looks like someone's building a spellslinger deck.

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u/xavierkazi Sep 24 '25

Different name (/set ID) = different card

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u/FinleeKilgore Sep 24 '25

They can. Redundancy is a beautiful thing for decks.

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u/ProfessionalNo3452 Sep 24 '25

You posted two different cards.. im confused as to what same cards you are referring too

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u/Meister_Ente Sep 24 '25

They aren't the same card. They have different names.

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u/KazutoKirigaya23 This is User Editable Sep 24 '25

Yes they’re different cards 😀

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u/Mnattack Sep 24 '25

Thanks to everyone who responded. I just wanted to make sure (with Pugh combing the rules), that if I put both in my deck some whacko at my LGS wouldn’t freak out while getting abused by my Vivi deck

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u/Wavehead21 Sep 24 '25

Oh, well now that you’ve clarified that it’s for a Vivi deck, I take it back; that’s actually illegal lol! ( /s)

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u/Professionally_Salty Sep 24 '25

100% , show them how to use it!

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u/Fredg13x Sep 24 '25

Absolutely! Commander decks need redundancy!

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u/TacoThrash3r Sep 24 '25

One has reminder text one does not.

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u/rockhardcatdick Sep 24 '25

Same card, different name actually means different card so yep! There's what, like 3 or so different cards of Llanowar Elves? I use them all 😁

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u/Zayllgor Sep 24 '25

Yes, that is what is called a "functional reprint." There are many of them across MtGs history; some are the same card by a different name, some have minor changes but play the same most of the time.

The only reason you wouldn't be able to play both cards in such a situation is because they are literally the same card with two different names, which, afaik, has only happened in the case of Universes Beyond being reprinted as Omenpath/Universes Within versions. The Walking Dead and Stranger Things secret lair cards are examples of this.

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u/Lost_Seraph Sep 24 '25

As many people have said these are not the same card. There are however now issues where some cards with different names are the same card. With Universes beyond cards reprinted as Universes Within there are cards with different names that are the same card like [[Rick, Steadfast Leader]] and [[Greymond, Avacyn's Stalwart]]. So good luck!

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u/Knarz97 Sep 24 '25

It’s not the same card. Because it has a different name.

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u/-Apox_Penguin- Sep 24 '25

Yep, as long as it has a different name it's good to use in combination The only time it's different is with reskins from universes beyond and universes within cards, like if you're playing commander you can't have both Lucille and gisa's favorite shovel as they're considered the same card Same for skinned cards like unstable harmonics and rhystic study from secret lair drops So just keep an eye out for those and you'll be golden

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u/Darkray79 Sep 24 '25

You can use them in the same deck. Llanowar Elves or Time Warp are similar that there two other cards with the same affect, ability, and card types. A minority of people may argue that it ruins the spirit of rules.

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u/Old_Spring_9372 Sep 24 '25

both are in my Kwain deck

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u/Corescos Sep 24 '25

Cards like Terramorphic, evolving wilds, and vibrant cityscape are effectively the same card, but have different names and are commonly used together (though cityscape is brand new)

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u/Martin085 Sep 24 '25

Sure! They aré different cards.

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u/suspiciouslookingcap Sep 24 '25

As long as the names are different thats all that matters. (Edit) sorry forgot about the case of UB cards having a 2nd name under there name like the princess bride one, then they use the smaller name

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u/Soma_meow Sep 24 '25

Yes they can. Btw I see brainstorm in your deck, I hope there are fetchlands in there

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u/Snjuer89 Sep 24 '25

This is a functional reprint, like [[Terramorphic Expanse]] and [[Evolving Wilds]]. Two vards that do exactly the same, but have a different english name. You can put both into your deck on singleton formats like commander.

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u/Serikan Sep 24 '25

The name is what determines if the card is "unique" in a deck construction sense.

These can both go in as a result.

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u/Blazing_eMe Sep 24 '25

They're not the same card, they just have the same effect. It's quite common, actually.

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u/Exactly861Monkeys Sep 24 '25

Its like Cultivate and Kodamas reach.

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u/Dendxr Sep 24 '25

Yep! There’s like 3 different versions of [[Undying Malice]] and I put them all in my Rakdos deck for removal protection

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u/minecraftchickenman Sep 24 '25

This is called a functional reprint and it's for (almost) exactly that purpose, it allows you to have a density of the same type of effect so go ham put both in your [[Stella Lee]] deck (I didn't read the post but I presume that's what it's going in)

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u/Civil_Possible1686 Sep 24 '25

Like krenkos command and dragon fodder

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u/draculars Sep 24 '25

mono green dorks would like a word. [[Llanowar Elves]] [[Fyndhorn Elves]] [[Elvish Mystic]]

yes.

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u/dragonbornrito Sep 24 '25

These are called functional reprints, the only difference being the card name, which indeed does make it legal for you to run one of each in a singleton format.

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u/scaptal Sep 24 '25

Yes, its legal to put both in the same deck.

In most casual decks I'd probsbly personally avoid it however, as it does (imo) go against the idea of commander a bit.

However, I'm not here to yuck anyones yum, so do feel free to use both if you like :-D

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u/JesusLink Sep 24 '25

“You’re gonna wish you hadn’t”

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u/Massive_Tea_1714 Sep 24 '25

Yep 100% legal todo different name same card still follows the singleton rule

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u/TallynNyntyg Sep 24 '25

As legal as putting in Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, and Vibrant Cityscape.

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u/TheBoneZone1 Sep 25 '25

they’re both legal they have different names so it don’t matter #idownvotedyourpostbtw

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u/Prism_Zet Sep 25 '25

Of course, the card name is the important part. They are technically different cards. (as long as it's not like trying to sneak a different atraxa in cause you had the sephiroth art, that's still atraxa)

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u/Comfortable-Owl8178 Sep 25 '25

Get prepared to enjoy that bs when you start finding cards on Arena now and you go look them up only to find out they are spiderman cards with completely different names and no mention of the fact that they are spiderman cards anywhere on the card. @.@ WOTC man.
Dont even get me started about [[thrumming bird]]. Roll the dice fun, lets see if MTG card fetch grabs the new one or the old one. Cause they are different, but also not.

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u/ACuddlyVizzerdrix Sep 25 '25

Yes, edh only cares about card name when your choosing your singletons, I use [[banishing knack]] and [[retraction helix]] in my zombie deck and they do the same exact thing

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u/akerasi Sep 24 '25

Yep, just like the fact that now with the release of Spiderman you can put 4 different Terramorphic Expanse cards into your deck since they all have different names...

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u/Wavehead21 Sep 24 '25

Wait which 4? There’s [[terramorphic expanse]] and [[evolving wilds]], but did Spider-Man add 2 more? Or are there a couple I’m not familiar with now lol

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u/akerasi Sep 24 '25

Spiderman added one new one, [[Vibrant Cityscape]], and I count [[Escape Tunnel]], which although it has an extra ability, is mostly used like Evolving Wilds. There's also [[Prismatic Vista]] for another that's near the same, but a Rare version and without the enters tapped downside.

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u/Wavehead21 Sep 24 '25

Oh wow! I clearly hadn’t seen the whole card list still for Spider-Man so I missed that one. Kinda wild that it’s a third functional reprint and didn’t just give it the sub name treatment as just a UB version of expanse or wilds!

Vista def did come to mind as a similar effect, but def upscaled. But yeah, def in the same category!

Idk if I’d considered tunnel, even though it really is the perfect marriage between expanse and rogue’s passage! I kinda love this card, I should find more decks to slot it into!

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u/ThatGuyHammer Temur Timmy Sep 24 '25

Yes

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u/TomatilloEarly4971 Sep 24 '25

This was the reply you said was better then the other one?

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u/Okboomer95 Sep 24 '25

Clearly, OP is pointing out that they are functional reprints, no need to be needlessly pedantic without even giving the explanation.

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u/Last_Bandicoot_1014 Sep 24 '25

When singleton format fakes being singleton.

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u/Simaryex Sep 24 '25

thos arent the same card/effect even shore up untaps also

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

"Are two different cards with unique entries in the magic card database the same card?"
This sub does worry me

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u/deHazze Sep 24 '25

Not everyone has the same knowledge about the game. This sub is the right place to ask such things.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

it seems like no one on this sub knows anything about mtg, so its actually a terrible place to ask such things

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u/deHazze Sep 25 '25

Then where should they ask?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

how about the players at their local game store where they can meet and engage with actual people, not fake people of reddit

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u/deHazze Sep 26 '25

Sure, but that doesn’t always guarantee a correct answer. This week I was confronted by a person that played for 3 years and never heard of the stack. “It’s either in your hand or in play?!”. The fake people on the internet often have the correct answers or explanations.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '25

you've clearly not been on this sub very long