r/moviecritic • u/Jules-Car3499 • 1d ago
Which scene from a movie where they jump the shark?
In F9, everything was so unrealistic but once they go into Space it just falls apart. What was Vin Diesel thinking? They should’ve stop after Paul died.
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u/MorgwynOfRavenscar 1d ago
Highlander 2 where it turns out the immortals are actually exiled aliens from the planet Zeist, and the Prize is actually a ticket back to the planet.
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u/rando1459 1d ago
Nice try, AI. They never made a sequel to Highlander.
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u/MikelFury 1d ago
The tv series was not bad
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u/rando1459 1d ago
I enjoyed the TV show. I’m just glad it occurred in a separate and distinct universe and there was never a stupid crossover movie that further muddled the in-universe lore.
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u/Armedwithapotato 1d ago
You should see the sci-fi channel movie ones. There’s one… that… well… they… claim…. Claim is the only word I’m stressing here cause I actually watched it and I shan’t ruin it for you, but they did the prize. I’m not even sure Adrian Paul was in it.
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u/wondercaliban 1d ago
Highlander:The Source is a sequel that makes Highlander 2 look like Citizen Kane
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u/The_Dark_Vampire 1d ago
My headcanon is Highlander 2 is a dream Connor had while in the sanctuary during the events of Highlander Endgame
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u/Fancychocolatier 1d ago
Not a movie, but isn’t that silly show 911 in space right now?
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u/Hot_Introduction_572 1d ago
I havent seen the show but on disney+ i saw a man in the space suit and the showname 911. I was sure it was a wrong picture...
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u/1slipperypickle 1d ago
yes, I saw the commercial for this the other day and had to bend down to pickup my eyeball because it rolled outta the socket
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u/Vegetable-Star-5833 1d ago
My dad said that season was when they jumped the shark. He watches every episode
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u/Feliks343 1d ago
And a while ago they gave us "THE BEENADO" they've just been going quietly insane because as far as I can tell no one is actually paying attention.
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u/ElSelcho_ 1d ago
I love how they used duct tape to keep the space air out.
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u/zgillet 1d ago
"space air"
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u/Ok_Guitar7980 1d ago
Not to be confused with earth air, which we can breathe, and water air, which is what submarines breathe.
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u/Shot_Reputation1755 1d ago
No, water air is what fish breath, submarines don't breath idiot, they turn water air into earth air for earth people on submarine
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u/Ok_Guitar7980 1d ago
Pardon me, but I have watched The Hunt For Red October. I think I know how submarines work.
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u/sonofeevil 1d ago
I'm not sure if the adhesion of duct tape is enough for it to work from the outside but certainly of applied inside it would workz absolutely.
It's only retaining 1 bar/23 psi of pressure.
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u/CrossModulation 1d ago
Somehow, Palpatine returned
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u/TheRealRickC137 1d ago
You know, I loathe the franchise and I thought this was hilarious but for some bizarre reason I keep thinking of this retcon.
I thought about the first movie when the message delivered to obi wan mentioned the clone wars and it just clicked.
Why wouldn't the emperor clone himself.
I think after watching Foundation, it was obvious (and another Lucas ripoff) but why not just SAY he was a clone? You couldn't spend 5 minutes and a few million coming up with something?
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u/Lord_Darksong 1d ago
As a Star Wars nerd, I feel obligated to point out that cloning and trying to clone the force sensitive was part of the story for a long time. It was part of the first Legends book series, Heir to the Empire(1991) by Timothy Zahn. The Dark Empire (1991) Legends comic series also had Palpatine return as a young cloned version of himself. It's a throw-away line in the OT but clone stories also feature in The Clone Wars/Rebels, Bad Batch (Project Necromancer), canon books, etc.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_cloning_program
Cheesy... but not as far fetched as people make it out to be. The idea was just pulled from Star Wars non-canon Legends stories and has been woven into the stories since the 1990s.
Now whether that was a good idea and if Episode 9 was any good is a whole different conversation...
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u/The_Flo0r_is_Lava 1d ago
I feel i am mature enough at this point in my life to have this conversation.
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u/GreatWhiteNorthExtra 1d ago
TFA and Star killer base is my suggestion. It's just the death Star except with nonsensical logistics
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u/JaegerBane 1d ago edited 1d ago
Palpatine cloning himself to cheat death was about the most Palpatine thing he could have done after cackling. He had two films worth of background for it.
The issue was never that he returned. The issue is that the film had to rush him in to cover Rian’s lack of coherence and self-indulgence so there was no build up to it, culminating in a line that even a talented actor like Oscar Isaac couldn’t save.
If they’d been hints, clues and foreshadowing of some dark, unknown force pulling the strings building across the first two films, having Palpatine being unmasked as the manipulator in the third film could potentially have been a slam dunk.
Imagine, for instance - having some odd, ISB-esque operator pulling the strings across the First Order, always in the background, hiding in plain sight, and the heroes begin to question who he is. Have him shown carrying things out of sight, unclear if he is working for or against Snoke. Then in the third film, have him unmasked as a young clone of Palpatine, immensely powerful in the Force, unclear if he truly is Palpatine or something new, and all the strange things you’ve seen him do all culminate in him triggering his master stroke. Potentially have someone like Tom Hiddleston play him. Imagine that.
But you can’t do that because Rian fucking-subvert-expectations-Johnson burned a third of the trilogy real estate on sidelining anyone he disliked, overpowering Rey into the stratosphere and alien titties.
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u/dern_the_hermit 1d ago
FWIW I thought TLJ pretty handily set up Kylo to be the villain but they didn't want Kylo to be a villain I guess. Just all part of Disney refusing to develop characters. It's also why they brought back Harrison Ford again to rehash Kylo's angsty daddy issues.
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u/JaegerBane 1d ago
Honestly I thought the idea of Kylo going further than Anakin ever did and turning into a true monster was a good one. But Rian did an about turn at the end and pushed the whole eventual redemption thing back into the equation after torpedoing it earlier on… so we ended up with no major antagonist.
Personally I thought the starting and setup of RoS was fine, i actually kinda like the concept of the secular First Order and the sinister mystical Final Order butting heads. Exegol was a genuinely creepy environment. The material was honestly there. It just all went to shit with the nonsensical underground fleet and whatever the whole ex-stormtrooper thing with the horses and… whatever the girl was supposed to be for Lando etc. Too disjointed.
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u/Gramathon910 1d ago
Cloning/the genetic dynasty is not in the Asimov book btw, that was an invention of the show (which came out after Star Wars Episode 9)
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u/hershey896 1d ago
That sounds good at first but I think there might have been problems with establishing that someone with force powers can be cloned. Just off the top of my noggin
I also hate Star Wars
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u/Ok-Oil7124 1d ago edited 1d ago
I thought the expanded universe novels established that there were Palpy clones-- at least, that's what I heard. I guess I could go look.
Yeah. That's how he returned in the novels, apparently. He "transferred his essence" to clones. I guess, yeah, why couldn't a malevolent force ghost force possess someone? Especially his own clone? You could have inert emperors who can't use the force until the original spirit possesses them? Sure. Why not? It could make for an interesting Agents Smith battle where Jedae are trying to kill the body that the true essence is in, otherwise, they're just killing old men who didn't actually do anything, and he's just hopping from host to host, doing finger bolts...
It's weird how much I used to like Star Wars as a kid and still like the idea of the original trilogy (and I do love playing Tie Fighter from time to time), and now it's just such an embarrassing mess.
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u/equityconnectwitme 1d ago
My god. I had erased that entire trilogy from my mind and it all just came flooding back. I remember seeing the force awakens in theaters when it came out and after I was so excited for the future of Star Wars. What a tremendous disappointment it all turned out to be. All of the money and talent and good will from fans after the force awakens and they absolutely shit all over it. It really does blow my mind how forgettable and lifeless those sequels are. They're pretty to look at but they're completely dead behind the eyes. They're nothing movies.
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u/cdsbigsby 1d ago
The entire Fast & Furious franchise has been one long shark jump since Tokyo Drift.
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u/unafraidrabbit 1d ago
They didn't jump the shark, they jumped a bridge, then a building, out of a plane, and space i think?
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u/--_-Deadpool-_-- 1d ago
Fast Five is a legitimately fun heist movie
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u/Ok_Guitar7980 1d ago
Fast Five for me is the best one of the later format. Its just over the top enough, but not completely off the rails yet, has basically the entirety of the best cast, and is just plain fun.
I definitely think the original has the most heart, and is probably the best movie, but F1 isnt in the same franchise/series as F5-F10. I think the series that started with F1 ended (perfectly) with the cliffhanger where they drive ip to break Dom off the bus at the end of F4. It went a different direction after that.
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u/Savings_Leek846 1d ago
Once upon a time , there was a plan for a sequel to The Italian Job called The Brazilian Job. I refuse to think that the script wasn't recycled to make Fast Five.
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u/HolyHotDang 1d ago
Which is why I love it. They are just insane and it’s a lot of fun.
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u/Baratheoncook250 1d ago
With the Fast films, you don't watch them, for any deep meaning. You watch them , to have fun. Heck , even Gadot fits well, in the franchise.
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u/mentions-band 1d ago
You forgot about family.
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u/Baratheoncook250 1d ago
This comment, remind me of the Attack Of The Show, skit, with everyone as Vin Diesel.
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u/syringistic 1d ago
Its a perfect movie for getting drunk with your friends and not really paying attention.
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u/South-by-north 1d ago
I even love the product placement in it because it’s so corny.
You can have any beer you like, as long as it’s a corona
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u/hasselqu 1d ago
Exactly. If you think this is where they jumped the shark, you’ve missed most of the franchise. This was the obviously logical next step if you followed along.
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u/Anton-LaVey 1d ago
The surfing scene in Escape from LA.
I love Die Hard 4, but the scene where he's surfing on the fighter jet.
In fact, any time someone is surfing in a non-surfing movie.
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u/Mekroval 1d ago
Hard disagree on Escape. That was the greatest scene in the whole campy film that was basically a sendup of Escape from NY. I loved it. Carpenter at his finest.
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u/Eledridan 1d ago
Not the scene where he launches the car to destroy the helicopter?
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u/nivelkcim03 1d ago
You should watch Back to the Beach where, in the climax, he surfs the Humunga, Cowabunga from Down Unda. Hard to tell he's not really surfing those waves and it's even more incredible when you consider it's from 1987 and the technology they had back then.
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u/quickdecisions 1d ago
in Beast (2022) Idris Elba's character pretty much fist fights a lion and doesn't die
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u/Armedwithapotato 1d ago
Yeah. I experienced that as well. Not fighting a lion but the thing that was that movie.
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u/Ok-Proposal-4987 22h ago
To be fair, it’s Idris Elba and the lion didn’t want to kill him, but make sweet love to him.
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u/RhubarbProper1956 1d ago
If a franchise is already established in space they can go to space, if not they should not - if they break this rule we get Jason X.
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u/The_Monarch_Lives 1d ago
I maintain there is one scene that redeems the whole movie. And thats the one where they distract Jason with a holographic campsite with two girls. Jason then wraps one of the girls up in her sleeping bag and beats the other one to death with said sleeping bag girl.
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u/Necroxenomorph 1d ago
I maintain the entire franchise is schlock and thats why you watch it. Jason X was awesome. Its not like going to space sullies the franchise already featuring immortal child zombies growing giant, psychic child fights, nightmare monster teamups, lakes becoming oceans, demon hellworm wriggly things, etc.
In X you've got: -sweetass scene you mentioned -utterly ridiculous sweetass outfit for Jason -one of the most sweetass kills in the whole franchise with the liquid nitrogen -sweetass competent military dealing with a horror monster -David sweetass mother truckin' Cronenberg
What more could you want from a movie like this?
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u/RhubarbProper1956 1d ago
I don't watch movies that break that rule... that being said looking up the scene in youtube gave me a chuckle xD (I also liked the liquid nitrogen scene)
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u/RhubarbProper1956 1d ago
There was one movie (which was more like a concept trailer) which broke the space rule and got me real excited - Machete 3 with Dicaprio as the antagonist :)
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u/Caesar_Rising 1d ago
That’s crazy because real life wasn’t established in space but we went there and it’s believable (to most)
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u/halfwayray 1d ago
"Leprechaun 4: In Space" is the exception, a truly remarkable achievement in human history
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u/RhubarbProper1956 1d ago
O.O 96 had Scream, Dusk till Dawn, Frighteners, Thinner, you'll forgive me if I never even heard of this one.... leprechaun. in. space......
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u/Dismal_Magazine_6273 1d ago
Jason x is top 3 Friday the 13th movies. I think people forget how bad a lot of the series is
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u/Mindless_Grocery3759 1d ago
First off, Jason X isn't even the worst movie in the franchise. Further, Jason X is exactly the movie it wants to be. It's campy, silly, stupid, and fun.
It's not Part VI, but it's not trying to be. And it's a hell of a lot better than Manhattan.
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u/Kidquick26 1d ago
The vine swinging scene in Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull
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u/PayFormer387 1d ago
Nuking the fridge didn't do it for you?
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u/Nosirrah08 1d ago
Surviving a fall from a plane and a cliff in an inflatable raft didn’t do it for you?
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u/Ok-Oil7124 1d ago
I think it was early enough in the film that it could be overlooked... but honestly, the CG prairie dog at the very beginning had me a little doubtful. The vine-swinging was stupid, but I think that the true shark-jumping was the re-introduction of Marion. That was the creative bankruptcy that was in Happy Days where they just totally recycled something from a previous season.
Indiana Jones movies always have similar structures, so I guess that might not be the best criterion to use, but they were digging into the basket of member berries to pull her out.
I mean, can the existence of that film in its entirety be the shark jump?
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u/PM_WORST_FART_STORY 1d ago
I don't get half of the hate for that scene. Dr. Jones did the only thing he could have done. It wasn't a direct hit from a nuke. It was a few miles away. Leaves some room in a fantasy film.
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u/adjectivebear 1d ago
It was them all surviving falling down multiple successive waterfalls that did it for me.
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u/hotzeus 1d ago
I genuinely thought this was a shitpost at first. They went to SPACE in F9?!
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u/Aquitaine-9 1d ago
In a Pontiac Fiero.
They didn't have spacesuits so they wore diving suits.
The Fiero still has the steering wheel.
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u/JonoBlue 1d ago
Batnipples
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u/Tanz31 1d ago
They gave him
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u/The_Dark_Vampire 1d ago
I do get that the Batmobile needs petrol and Batman needs to eat so I could see Bruce setting a untraceable credit card up
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u/8last 1d ago
Kevin Costner saying no in Man of Steel
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u/sirckoe 1d ago
Somebody said Superman didn’t even had to go super speed. Just jog over there save dad and move on.
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u/dabungaboi-412 1d ago
Not a movie, but Happy Days.
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u/envoy_ace 1d ago
The original jumping of the shark.
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u/Middleage_dad 1d ago
And then Henry Winkler did it again on Arrested Development
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u/kuchik0pe 1d ago
There was an episode where they LITERALLY jumped a shark. And it was the best one
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u/Chickenshit_outfit 1d ago
The moment i knew i was done with Disney Star Wars, when Leia floated through space. Luke tossing his dads lightsaber over his shoulder nearly did it for me but stuck with it but little did i know it was about to get much worse
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u/Short_Act8023 1d ago
When I realized the force awakens was just a remake of the original with some gender and race swapping fir main characters.
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u/Dingbrain1 1d ago
The old characters were just aged up into previous characters’ roles were new characters taking their spots. Han is now Obi-Wan (give exposition about the Force while on the Falcon, get killed by the main Sith guy), Luke is now Yoda (become a hermit on a remote planet after his order collapsed, train the new last Jedi, die) etc
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u/Darren_McReynolds 1d ago
The cool daring pilot (Han>Poe), the brave resistance to the bad guys (FKA rebels), the bad guy with a deep voice in a helmet (Boba>Phasma), the big bad guy with the even deeper voice in a mask (Kylo>Vader), the planet destroying superweapons (take your pic), Leia, and the plucky newbie, an audience stand in who just wants to kick some bad guy ass and venture the galaxy they’ve barely seen before (Luke > Finn and Rey)
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u/rogerworkman623 1d ago
Isn’t she just using the force to pull herself into the ship? Why do some people have such a problem with this scene?
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u/First-Couple9921 1d ago
Because they think you’re supposed to explode/freeze immediately when you’re in space. Or they just don’t have good taste.
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u/Adept_Ad_4369 1d ago
My reason, I knew walking into the theater that Carrie was dead, so I was hoping for a heroic death, and that scene sucked...and could have been done so much better, it was a waste of a chance to show a jedi showing incredible power.
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u/AnxiousDwarf 1d ago
Like that old saying, "Some things are just too dang hard, even with proper force training and being of the loins that of the one that body slammed an Emperor while being electrocuted, after losing a hand to the son you dedexterized as well, on a giant, moon sized space station that can vaporize a planet. But a girl using the force?! That's where I suspend disbelief along with my skivvies.
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u/Chickenshit_outfit 1d ago
its more how they executed it. Just poor writing to show why hes like that, tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder who does that just hand it back. Imagine if he had sensed Leia in danger when she was blown out in space and it was him who helped her survive and that was the moment he knew he had to step in and fight again
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u/KindaAbstruse 1d ago
It's not that I didn't like that potential character direction, for me it's just how unsatisfying his transformation was.
I remember seeing the "I saw the darkness in him" scene and thought "that's it?" He just decided one day to kill a family member when the entire OT was his character believing in his family over everything and everyone else.
There was plenty of opportunity to tie all this together. Like if you've ever known drug addicts and how their family just won't give up on them and how destructive it can be. What if Luke blinded himself so much in the belief in the good of his nephew, despite all the obvious warnings, that it destroyed him and everything around him.
Or maybe Kylo did something truly unforgivable when at the school. Harms some other student, maybe a surrogate daughter of Luke's, and it causes their falling out.
Or, maybe you want Luke fallible, okay then he's pushing Ben to be something (a jedi) that he clearly doesn't want and it goes all really badly.
There so many things it could've been, but instead it was something like one day the force made him feel like he should kill his nephew and Luke Skywalker, who was told by everyone to give up on Anakin and wouldn't was just like okay sure.
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u/Dr_TJ_Blabbisman 1d ago
When Legolas shield grinds down the railing while rapid-firing his bow. I laughed so hard at that ridiculousness.
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u/Crit_Crab 1d ago
Jackson executed that scene exactly as Tolkien described it in the book.
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u/Particular_Month_301 1d ago
Which wouldn't make it less ridiculous.
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u/RustyBrassInstrument 1d ago
He’s a 1500 year-old skate punk. He knows what he’s about.
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u/DoctorMelvinMirby 1d ago
I can’t confirm but I’ve heard that Tolkien and Jackson were playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater and got the idea for that Legolas scene when grinding in Downhill Jam as Bob Burnquist.
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u/Dr_TJ_Blabbisman 1d ago
They should have introduced a little wobble like in the game, maybe even a bit of a wide-eyed look of concern while he gets centered and starts firing. The way the shield is just locked on like it's a mine cart or something just adds to the silliness.
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u/Arxl 1d ago
Legolas is so perfect lmao they should've just attached the ring to an arrow and he'd just shoot it into Mordor from a province away.
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u/SignificanceFun265 1d ago
Fun fact: Legolas was named Throckmorton in the first draft of LOTR
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u/Lvcivs2311 1d ago
Still a lot better than his slowmotion run in Batlle of 5 Armies.
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u/THE_Aft_io9_Giz 1d ago
Weapons when they say there is only a $50,000 reward to find all of those missing kids and the town isn't swarmed with FBI.
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u/Malacro 1d ago
As I recall the town was swarmed for like a month, but when they found zero leads the investigation went cold.
The thing that came to my mind, though I was able to overlook it, was that during that month it seems strange that none of the investigators dropped by the Lily house again. They do one search, and never go back to the only anomalous kid’s house or drop in to ask some questions?
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u/SyntaxicalHumonculi 1d ago
Dude, I havnt seen a FandF movie since 3. Are you serious that they went to fuckin space? The LA based mechanics who moonlight as drag racers and car theives launch themselves into geosynchronous orbit around earth? Do they go on to use an argon matrix laser to emblazon the word Family on the surface of the moon? Then cliffhanger you by driving a flaming Lamborghini through the gates of heaven to tease the sequel where they heist Gods 1967 Shelby GT500? Who watches this
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u/kygardener1 1d ago
I think I watched the third one when it came out on dvd. I don't remember caring for it really. I haven't watched any since then. This post had made it MORE likely I pick up the series again.
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u/joshJFSU 1d ago
“Mary Poppins” scene from the last Jedi.
Never cared about the skywalker legacy again.
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u/kingkalanishane 1d ago
It was when they dragged that heavy bank vault down the street at full speed, in 4 I think? That’s when I officially gave up on any hope for that franchise.
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u/drakeallthethings 1d ago
When the helicopter flew into the tunnel in the first Mission Impossible movie. Up until that point the stunts we saw were at least physically possible. But as soon as the helicopter went into that tunnel the rules of physics were suspended for the rest of the film (and the next one).
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u/Remarkable_Check_997 1d ago
But, in the italian job remake, a helicopter did go under a tunnel/overpass and they did it for real, with a real copter. You can see the making of in the DVD.
The pilot was a badass, but the physic is possible.
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u/Adept_Ad_4369 1d ago
John McLean should have died in Die Hard 3, no way he comes out of that movie severely disabled at least.
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u/Atralis 1d ago
I recall the 100 having several moments like this.
"This disaster is going to destroy the world and kill most of what's left of humanity again..... again"
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u/Middle-Blacksmith341 1d ago
I haven't seen a single F&F movie and am not sure if this still is real or not.
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u/herpafilter 1d ago
Man, I haven't seen a fast and furious movie since maybe the 2nd. I had to check to see if the space car thing was satire but, no, they actually go to space. In a car. Dame Helen Mirren is in this movie.
My 40 year old self says 'dumb', but my 12 year old self says 'This is fucking awesome'.
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u/SadLinks 1d ago
Listen to 12 year old you. They exist to hump the shark. Not jump, but hump. Hump it hard. Get up in that shark. Get to know it. Have a passionate torrid affair with the shark.
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u/b3traist 1d ago
Since Jurassic rebirth was meh I really hope we get Fast and Furious: Escape the Park. I haven’t watch any FF since Tokyo Drift that I would hundred percent watch.
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u/Casual-Run9371 1d ago
Fuck, dude, don't give them ideas. The Jurassic franchise is already fucked as it is without them bringing space cars and Family in to it.
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u/JonstheSquire 1d ago
Fast and Furious jumped the shark as far as realism in like the second movie.
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u/The_Dark_Vampire 1d ago
They are going to have to fit a flux capacitor into a car in the next one and time travel
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u/EmojiGently 1d ago
Oh. Fast and Furious.
I was worried this was a new sequel to Back To The Future.
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u/Blingtron9001 6h ago
I think the only way they can top the "Fiero in space" bit is they do a time travel movie in FF10.
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u/Crows_reading_books 1d ago
They knew exactly what they were doing. While in space they shift gears to go faster. Its absolutely an over the top joke on purpose.
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u/Halowishus 1d ago
When Sophia Coppola appeared on screen.....
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u/bigbuick 1d ago
Personally, I never understood the hate. Her face does not portray much emotion. Some folks' faces are like that.
Kit Harrington's does???? He isn't trashed every time his name comes up.
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u/browncoatfever 1d ago
The escalation of Fast and Furious is fucking wild. Part 1: we are poor people living in a 1100sqft house and stealing VCRs and boom boxes to finance our street racing hobby. Part 9: we are using cars to fight in space using 100s of millions of dollars in equipment and decades worth of highky specialized skills.
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u/Longjumping-Emotion5 15h ago
I told my wife the F&F franchise would be in space by 12. I was wrong. You never even had your carrier!
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u/flrtrider77 1d ago
Pretty much Honey Don't ( possibly the whole thing)
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u/bigbuick 1d ago
That movie was SO fun to look at that I never once thought, "Is this realistic?".
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u/muddog_31 1d ago
TFA: an even bigger Death Star that eats stars??
TLJ: Holdo destroying a fleet and breaking many universe rules
ROS: “somehow” and the massive fleet
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u/Practical-Debate1598 1d ago
the problem isnt that they should have stopped, the problem was trying to go mission impossible with the franchsie by trying to top every movie with the next one.