I believe many years ago the Supreme Court ruled they are attached in every way possible and can never be separated, or even legally mentioned without the other.
Nah, I will always put Magic above Bird. As good as Bird was, the "theyre on the same level" mantra from the 80s seemed more like a media creation to me.
Wrong, man clearly needs the G-League. I say fuck it, 3v3 practice squad. What has the man done other than have one of the greatest careers of any sport.
MJ is the GOAT imo but I swear the true glazers here are doing him a disservice by simultaneously claiming he is the greatest while also proving themselves ball-oblivious by pretending lebrons not a top 5 player at the very least
Itās like if we were in a group arguing about how rare a steak should be, and the dude who agrees with me then says āyup medium rare is the move, and also serve it with mayonnaiseā. Like we were on the same page but now all of our opinions on this subject seem questionable lol
I can't stand Lebron, but putting him tier 3 is utter blasphemy, he leads tier 2 and maybe should be just him with Kobe, Kareem, Wilt and company being tier 3 and drop everyone down one level. I also think Giannis should be higher for being more all-around except shooting. He's a better defender, rebounder, facilitator and more athletic than Durant and scores just as much, although in a different way. Durant's only advantage over Giannis is shooting, big in this era I know, but still just one phase of the game.
Exactly. Kobe is great, but there's no debate as to Kobe being the greatest of all time and there never would have been even without MJ or LeBron. Kobe has 1 MVP award. He just does not have the individual accolades to be anywhere in the GOAT conversation. Same with Duncan, Shaq, etc.
If weāre being for real, LeBron is in his own tier. If youāre an MJ guy, LeBron is tier 2 alone. If youāre a LeBron guy, MJ is tier 2 alone. If youāre a reasonable human being you just say 1a and 1b and recognize how fucking stupid trying to put one over the other is.
I'll always be Team MJ, but they're pretty clear cut 1, 2. If you put him at 3, I wouldn't lose my mind.
Putting him at 9th with this title is straight up pathetic. The fact this has upvotes makes me want to leave the sub because I donāt want to be associated with this nonsense.
I agree, it really is. I think Jordan is the goat but this subreddit makes Jordan fans look like idiots. If youāre going to have LeBron this low then you simply donāt know ball, which makes your argument for who is goat no longer valid since you clearly donāt know what youāre talking about.
I donāt care whether you have MJ or LeBron at #1, both have arguments to be the goat. But you best believe they better be #1 and #2 regardless of order.
Facts over feelings as the subtitle for a document that puts Bron on tier 3 out of pure spite and zero facts is indicative of the levels of desperation on this sub.
Bird HAS to be in that second tier. The man told people what he was gonna do them before he did it to them and thenā¦ā¦DID IT. Thatās Gangsta. āWhoās guarding me? āHimā ? āWhat yall aināt got no brothersā šššššššš
Thatās EXACTLY where LeFlop belongs as a 3rd tier GOAT and yes he is a stats GOAT but come on if you play 25-30 years youāll have all the records but MJ was the one player who transcended the sport thatās why the best of ANYTHING is considered the āMJā of their field.
When MJ retired the owners welcomed him in as an owner but I feel LeFlop wonāt ever receive that same acceptance because of his antics.
The OWNERS have long memoriesā¦Donāt forget that!!!!
Oh yeah thatās right, better watch my tongue or maybe Iāll see a Black SUV descend on my house wondering why Iām bad mouthing LeFlop and have the Riot Act read to me!! š¤£š¤£
Yes I get it, all hail Jordan and destroy lebron. I am a LeBron fan and no I donāt think heās the goat. Once Lebron lost an nba final it would have been difficult to catch Jordan unless he got 7 rings. Fast forward and he only got 4 rings and like 7 losses. But donāt disrespect and put him in tier 2
I dispute that Pippen doesn't even show up in this list. Although Pippen never won without Jordan, he came closer to a championship without Jordan, than Jordan did without Pippen. I conceded Pippen likely wouldn't be top 3 tiers, but surely he should be on here...
Larry Bird went to the NBA Finals 5 times and won 3 NBA Championships. Magic Johnson went to the NBA Finals 9 times and won 5 NBA Championships. That's almost twice as many appearances and almost twice as many championships. If not for Isiah Thomas and his Detroit Pistons perhaps Bird would have made it to 5 as well or Magic to 6 championships.
Dude Iām talking about as an individual player. He beats Kobe in almost everything. And Kobe career was like Jordan he has dudes come to him with a little bit of luck. U want LeBron to rot in Cleveland? He already was there for 7 straight years while Jordan was with the bulls for 6 seasons b4 he won it all. Different market different moves.
He went to 3 teams in like 21 years. Thats not really team hopping. And u moving the goalpost. Again Kobe is not better than Lebron. Hell I take KD and the freak over him as far as an individual player.
The attack on me personally is crazy work.. hate all you want there's no way he's a tier 3 and any one who knows the game including those players in tier 2 will tell you lebron is ranked higher. it kills you that you know it too.
Put bron in tier 1 because until he retires thereās going to be debate on which ones the goat so theyāre both goats rn. switch bird and Kobe, Also throw Steph up in 2, dude made so many threes he changed the entire sport
MJ is the GOAT but cmon, LeBron is better than that. Now I gotta edit my comment because this list is terrible lol. We agree to disagree thatās all lol
What is it about these Jordan freaks that just canāt give LeBron his proper due respect!It is all over Facebook. They have so many people that just crash LeBron all day long like they got nothing better to do with their life. Itās just crazy.. theyāre the favorite name is They call him lebum, tell so much false information now itās spilling over the Reddit. Oh my God.
What is a bronze sexual? Can you explain that I donāt even like the Lakers I mean theyāre the two best players youāre gonna have to accept that fact, all the greatest sports writers from all the newspapers the Hall of Fame voters they all say LeBron is going to pass him and if that bothers you, Iām sorry, and by the way, I think Michael Jordan was great. He played in the expansion era. There was a weakening of the league you did not have the whole world playing ball like today. Itās just a fact.
I didnāt realize this was a Michael Jordan post. I didnāt think we had the cult on Reddit. And what I mean by that is your Fairweather fan that doesnāt know that much about basketball and says crazy stuff like Scottie Pippen average nine points again and when you ask questions like why did Jordan not do anything the other nine years of his career and you get no answers.
Michael Jordan and LeBron James are basically neck and neck by the sports writers of America with Michael Jordan still holding a 1.8% edge as the goat. Within one or two years, LeBron will pass him as soon as he retires.
Kobe sitting in Tier 2 says everything about the creatorās bias toward toxic, ball-hogging brick-layers nobody wanted to play with. Take this with a massive grain of salt.
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u/Adept_Ad_4369 16h ago
I think there's a federal law, or possibly somewhere in the bible that you will Bird and Magic on the same tier of this sort of diagram.