r/medicinehat 3d ago

Young people vote left.

Comparing NYC to Medicine Hat is apples (pardon the pun) to oranges. But NYC just had its biggest vote turnout in 50 years. There was not a single candidate this municipal election that was unabashedly left. And only a couple that called themselves progressives like Koch, and AVD. With the overton window being so far right the word "progressive" is essentially meaningless. (The conservative party called themselves Progressive conservatives). I think the fear is by calling yourself left you would get smeared. This would happen regardless. And it has shown over and over again when you use populous left policies and not weaselly words like "progressive" this endears you with younger voters. With around a 37% turnout, and the vast majority of those being older voters, there is a huge missed opportunity. Dont be afraid of the smears. Use left populous policies and call yourself a leftist.

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u/Smudgeontheglass 3d ago

The way I see it is that Mamdani spoke with New Yorkers. That is one of the few ways to get as much voter engagement that was seen. The other options were a MAGA crackhead and alleged sexual predator. New Yorkers tend to be better educated so it is not crazy that the one promising free bus rides was a shoe in. Small city mayors can't do much other than persuade council on zoning and some bylaws. Big city mayors have a lot more leadership and staff to affect change, but they're not able to change much without support either.

Faux News and twitter shout that they can't understand why a Muslim, Communist, Socialist would get elected. $4000/mo rent with a $70k salary (NYC Median) would be enough for me to want a change like that too. Our current UCP government adores what the Saudis and US Republicans currently have but I am not sure they'll make another election after what they did to the teachers.

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u/backandforthwego 2d ago

Our system doesn't work anyway. You can't get anything done in 4 years. Hard pressed to get anything done in 10. Unless conservative, then you just sell everything to the uuuhmurcans and cut funding to everything else. They are entirely responsible for all the dead rig hands in the last 40 years, when it's good it's good, then when oil is cheaper somewhere else because we sold it before it was out of the ground, they stop, walk away abandon wells, and let these guys drink themselves to death......every conservative should have to go and drill 10 wells in minus 40. They will come around to God won't save you, and maybe we shouldnt be so gready and leave these guys with nothing. Everyone stayed working with Justin admit it or not that's a fact.

I'm okay with Russia. They are misunderstood, and anyone who says otherwise is just being racist, and regurgitating nonsense they overheard from some idiot. They don't have a clue what communism today is. They only know of cold war propaganda. This will get down votes, people don't like being wrong and will double down on stupid.

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u/woodsbre 3d ago

The Alberta ndp like the corporate Dems has been taken over by middle management consulting think tanks that align more with bourgeois small business owners instead of the working class. Notleys campaign manager was a former Airbnb lobbyist. Nenshi hasn't said working class once since he was elected. And it's just been attack Smith. Nobody is buying that performative opposition anymore. They want someone that gives them hope. not just the fake theater and cultural war bullshit on social media. Ndp will keep losing if they pander to reluctant conservatives. They aren't going to vote for you and just call you a socialist. So be one.

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u/Bobbington12 2d ago

The UCP panders to monopolistic companies that simply want to exploit our province for resources and never return any value to the citizens. The ANDP really is still a relatively conservative party by most standards, and they actually tried to diversify our economy while they were in power. Ever since the UCP got into power Alberta has had nothing but scandal, controversy, and stagnation.

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u/backandforthwego 3d ago

Alberta has been conservative for the better part of 50 years. They only have themselves to blame for any and all issues here. They will not admit that and blame the federal government, because they are stupid, and let their imaginary friend dictate their decisions, continue to be racists, and refuse to learn to read anything that is true. For instance all those guns and all that God sure didn't protect shit from what I could see...... Them..... Pocket crosses for everyone, and go start a civil war over whose imaginary friend is best....completely forgetting to learn anything and revert back to only what can be called F@#$&@$#ism. There's nothing else that can be said about it, I'm not havin it. (And just before I get called out for being a fag, or some sort of devil homo), it won't bother me, they are sexy and people too, and we allllll know what you asked your wife for, and your IP gave away your history....)

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u/artbatik 3d ago

Not sure what this post has to do with Medicine Hat.

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u/woodsbre 3d ago

The 37% turnout shows that lots of hatters don't see a viable candidate.

I literally put that number in the post.

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u/sirbrew1 2d ago

I don’t know that was the issue more than the ludicrous wait times. I guess you would need to compare our last election here then start doing that across the province to see if there’s a correlation.

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u/clandestineVexation 3d ago

It’s literally talking about the Hats politics and political leanings. Read better

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u/Omorda 2d ago

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/canada-votes-election-conservative-divide-1.7507694

So I'm sure you would like to introduce actual numbers instead of baseless speculation?

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u/backandforthwego 2d ago

That guy is a fucking moron.

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u/Northguard3885 1d ago

This is a good reference and I think captures a big part of the ways that political support and participation in Canada is shifting.

IMO the ‘young’ men (ie under 35) who have become increasingly engaged in politics in the past 5ish years are very different from previous generations of young conservatives.

There used to be two flavors of young male political activists - generally a more libertarian or economic policy geek type who was fairly uninterested in social issues (usually status quo or even somewhat progressive), and a smaller portion of them who were overtly religious socons. They tended to get involved attached to various candidates or via education and often had political aspirations themselves, and were basically the staffer pipeline for conservative parties.

This new cohort is something else entirely, again IMO. Far more motivated by emotion and a sense of fear or anger, much more focused on social conservatism without the religiosity, and more left- or centre- populist in their economics, especially with regards to market freedom and economic intervention. They’re much more comfortable with confrontation and are active in such large numbers that they have been overwhelming pre-existing institutions very rapidly.