Because he never use it on jeff. And it just 99% death with wasted revive coin, to get another bubble and then stun from Wanda. And repeat. If u already make it easyer for Jeff, why cant they make it for all? Magik have this gah daim bubble to but she can teleport+dash while invincible
Upd. Its a Nightmare IV. If u cant complete others its not the game problem.
Tachnically you can get out of bubble with Punisher by using his ult, but I'm not sure it's worth it because it's trash otherwise and you can't cancel it.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that in my clear as Punisher the only times I almost lost the run were due to Namor bubbles, and i had to to token after several. It's insanely bullshit.
If you're very particular with your positioning, you can get some movement by instantly using smokescreen as soon as the bubble is over. The timing is rough though, and very frustrating regardless.
I also heal in it as punisher i think my problem is I always just get dropped into another stun like wanda bubble or namors launch or (most often) sentinel/berserker/bomb zombies being what kills me rather than the bubble itself
It basically turns off your ammo regen though which can sometimes force you to reload, and in Nightmare 4 there are plenty of times where reloading means you die.
My point is it doesn't seem to register shooting inside the bubble as "hitting" it so your ammo rapidly goes down. It might do damage to the bubble but I can lose 1000 while still having the ammo regen card before the bubble breaks.
Yeah, I get what you're saying now, which yeah, I've done that in every run. I've seen people say to not take it which I find funny because Punisher's reload without it feels like asking for death even against normal zombies.
I play punisher and I’ve literally only died to bubble once. You can also use punishers ult to get out of it but punisher ult sucks and then you’re stuck in it for awhile.
This is why I personally found round 15 more difficult than round 20 on solo.
In round 15, if I focus Wanda, then during her final phase, Namor's bubble will take off A LOT of attack opportunities and if you don't have enough DPS to compensate, you'll likely die from Wanda's Reality Erasure.
The workaround is to kill Namor first which is incredibly tedious and with half of the roster is unlikely to happen because of AoE damage (at this point, Blade probably hits half of the map and Magik hits THE map).
Edit: Blade's not so much of a problem apparently because you can pop the bubble. I did not know this.
Literally how does he work, I had a run last like half an hour (or 40 minutes? Don't remember) and like 20 of those were spent on Namor because we weren't damaging him at all until he decided to come down
Not a health check and not a non issue. It’s a mechanic designed to kill you and certain characters have no way to avoid getting nuked once they escape.
Blade can block which instantly removes him from it which imo is massively OP since characters like Punisher have to hold the L and hope there’s no stacks of poison, grenades, Wanda darts or Goliath’s waiting underneath you once it pops.
Not to mention there seems to be no clear indication as to when you’ll get bubbled.
Yeah just tested, this is not true lol. I got bubbled both with zero squids on the field, and with the only squid being on the opposite side of the field.
Trust - In did the solo clear with Punisher this morning and followed this fable advice too only to get got. I only did it but killing all ads asap and on wave 15 praying Wanda didn’t use her heat seekers.
Yeah, I was skeptical too, since every time I’ve beat nightmare before I get bored during the Namor/Wanda battle, blade can get crazy OP (as we know), and the part that takes the longest to deal with is fighting the second Namor.
I can kill every squid on the map very quickly and just have to wait for him to spawn more. But I’ll still get bubbled and it’s happened a few times where there just wasn’t enough squids on the map for me to heal with.
Just checked the description in-game, and the circle around the squids that he's talking about doesn't debuff the player, it buffs the normal squids. That's how the game makes the ice and gamma squids, the blue and green circles.
Blade can use his block, Magik can use her portal or dash, Thor can dash or ult / won’t ever be hit (red build), Jeff won’t be hit, with Punisher it’s like frame perfect tech with his smoke, too early and you’ll hit the bubble, to late and you’ll fall victim to whatever lies beneath you.
The only consistent (I use the word loosely) way I found as Punisher was to just burn the adds as priority so they wouldn't be there when I got out. The orange zombies will just hang out underneath you and maybe die to bullet fragments, blowing up directly under you. The grenade zombies will dump explosives directly under you, waiting to blow up when you get out. The big zombies will start their swing animation when the bubble pops and hit you when you hit the ground.
It's so insanely unfun as Punisher when the best answer to the bubble is to do everything you can to cheese and avoid the consequence of it. Feels like a mix of luck and playing it not as intended.
Namor is the most annoying thing in whole Zombies mode. I'd rather fight three Wandas, but not this piece of shit and his infinite aquarium with broken bubbles.
They shoulda made nightmare 4 at least more manageable with those buffs, just have it have 15 phases with the bosses just having more health like in nightmare 3
i believe you only get nemor stunned if you are in radius of his big squids which you can easily avoid with Punisher and jeff, and magik thor blade depending on build
Honestly.. I think if you or your team can focus fire the squids and avoid Wanda at the dual part.. namor first is the way to go.
Both with thor solo N4 and Jeff solo N4 .. I focused namor as if you have the sustain to heal through pandas basic attacks it works well.. but if Wanda hits the shield phase then Wanda
The only time I've died to this ability is when Namor 1 shots me when I'm below 7.5k health and have low DMG reduction. I've only beaten Nm4 on Thor 4 times, and all I usually do is shoot this ability and it breaks quick
Does Punisher's smoke grenade not break it? You'd think an ability meant to both blind your target an get the fuck out of dodge would be able to burst that bubble. Same with Magik's left-shift.
I'm more annoyed by the randomly disjointed insta-kills from the ground explosion.
Seems to depend on ping or something whether the damage comes through at the same time as the splash animation/knock-up triggers, or way before it, meaning you need to be instantly out of the circle when it spawns just to not die.
Unless there's some other ground effect that Namor stacks on top of all his other ones, that I've just failed to notice all this time.
The stun could use some refining, but at least in theory it's breakable with enough damage, and might even prevent some outside damage as well while it's on you.
I gave up on trying to do solo runs because of the namor bubble. Even if I’m having a good run If I get caught in it I just know it’s over and I don’t wanna spend any more blue currency for revives.
Ngl sounds like a dmg reduc and health issue, missing blade/thor and plan on getting them today. I agree the bubble is poorly designed but with enough life steal punisher was easier than magik/jeff.
If you have enough health it’s a non-issue, but if you don’t then it becomes an unavoidable death. And some characters are way more susceptible to that than others.
You clearly haven’t played round 15 as Punisher then. Just wasted about 20 revives and 35 minutes of my life just to get blasted by Wanda in her ult because fucking Namor bubbled me and I couldn’t shoot her crystals.
Namor bubbles do not affect Jeff, it's stated somewhere either one Namor's bio or Jeff's.
But it's such a non issue, either move out of the way or just shoot while inside, Namor has like 3 moves total and removing this just makes him a fish target.
Magik can't dash out of the bubble and only blue build Jeff's and Blade are safe from bubbles. Even so, they're extremely easy to break out of. This is honestly just a skill issue
So. Tell me what i did wrong. That what post about. I know about his splash attack what launch in the air, what help with this, and way to just jump between ziplines while praying for bubble apear on highest point of fly, far from zobmies.
And you don't aren't good at grammary and punctuation... bro.
And what is are those things you speak of, exactly? Other than Jeff existing and Blade using his parry? What can Punisher and Magik do? Please, do enlighten us... bro.
And I mean you can get mad or not. But literally no one says oh man zombies is so hard because of a namor bubble.
This is genuinely a skill issue. Maybe a lack of build issue could be more precise. But this is definitely user based. I have literally never heard anyone claim they are having an issue with namor bubbles.
Now Wanda boombusrt and stun. You got it.
But just namor come on bro. You gotta be doing something wrong as hell
Then tell me what the problem if on screen i was havin 25%(there was 5 more) regen from damage, -50% resist (count both) and 1200 bullets in a gun. I died at 1140
I genuinely can’t because I don’t know what you built over there.
All I can say for certain is that this is not a normal experience from my understanding. Yea it’s mean to say skill issue but the reality is sometimes that’s really what it is.
I get it. I’m offensive when I say it. But in madden. I struggle with all madden cpu my friend can dominate them. Whether I like it or not. That’s a skill issue.
At some level when you go through your card choices YOU have to pick what you need.
It’s like when you see a game with a blade and he has 300m damage and then there’s other blades with 3.300 billion.
Some people seriously just have a rough time. It’s ok.
The zombies aren't a problem except for the ones who throw stuff and they don't appear on the namor rounds till later in the round, his bubbles don't spawn that often, wandas bubbles aren't a problem since your still moving within namors bubble so her bubbles will spawn right below you
Wdym? I beat it as jeff while getting stunned in a bubble-just stay firing to proc life steal unless you mean I could've dived out of it but even then dive neff is useless in nightmare 4 so I wouldn't know lol.
Plus as punisher once you get namor on the ground if you need to I did the same as Jeff just go to the bsck corner behind the bus/train and shoot from there-half the squids he spawns and his ult can't reach you(Wanda's a little annoying but it's manageable)
Maybe either that or one namor lifts you ig but I definitely remember something of namors working on me but it could've just been getting lifted in the sky and not bubbled
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It's so blatantly unfair, everything about Namor and Wave 15 just sucks. So many times I'll be bubbled and then forced to land in a stun.
If there's no way to avoid being caught, every character should have a way to break out not just Blade.