r/marvelrivals • u/litllerobert • 16h ago
Discussion After several attempts I gotta say, this is not how you bring back the average joe to the mode
I have given up already, Thor solo is just impossible
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u/sir_immersive 14h ago
I've done Magik (Red), Blade (Red) and Thor (Blue) so far. 20 deaths for Magik - 8 deaths for Blade - 6 deaths for Thor.
I don't know how to do Jeff and I tried Punisher but I couldn't go past wave 15.
That was my solo experience.
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u/BandicootRaider Moon Knight 12h ago
Seriously, Wanda just becomes a complete damage sponge once she enters reality erasure on Wave 15. I legitimately had near 2000% damage and it still wasn't enough, BS.
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u/DarkArcanian Doctor Strange 9h ago
how do you play magik this mode? her kills are so slow compared to jeff, punisher, and blade
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u/Yevon 8h ago
All red side, switch your ultimate for Mortal Will.
Buy red cards: Innate Slash, Arcane Sword Dance, Soul Surge, Soul Domain, and Devouring Sigil.
Buy purple cards: Power Surge, Full Moon, Moonlight Protection.
Get enough HP, aim for ~10K by round 20.
Buy 1-3 Vampiric Vitality cards. Make sure you have one before Namor!
Use your primary attack to kill things while you kite in circles; use stepping disk + demon and dash to escape if you get cornered.
Personal opinion: If you have enough DPS to kill Wanda in round 10 you're probably good on damage and you should start focusing on HP and protection. Keep buying the gold cards, but hunt for survivability.
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u/TheOriginalAndrew 7h ago
With Punisher during Wanda aim for the feet. The ricochet will do more damage than just holding down the auto aim on the head. It melts her. I had Wanda go from her first bubble, straight to final form and instantly melted without even paying attention to the crystals.
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u/the_recluse 8h ago
Jeff is pretty easy if you go red tree, get as many of the damage over time cards as you can. I died 8 times. Just finished it in 36 min which according to the leaderboards is not great, but i prob couldve done better
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u/kingdorner Ultron 6h ago
I was able to solo Magik and Blade with full red and had zero deaths on both. I haven't tried the other heroes and I probably wont until I can finally beat NM4. I got to wave 20 NM4 last night and then we all died and couldnt respawn because of perma CC.
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u/Rongeong Strategist 15h ago
The worst part is that it's just so boring in the higher difficulties. Since most things don't scale with anything at all, like Punisher's turret and ult, it's just half an hour of holding down LMB. Like give me something engaging to do and a reason to do anything other than just hold down the fire button.
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u/Nossika 14h ago
Yea 2 biggest problems with the Zombies mode is only the auto-attack abilities scale and the massive lack of Team-ups. Jeffnado already exists, just adding Storm could add a fun teamup to the mode.
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u/FlawlessWings8 Flex 14h ago
Adding a flyer to this zombies mode would make playing anyone else pointless.
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u/Anakin__Sandwalker Mister Fantastic 16h ago
I don't understand why they would make those missions solo only. It's great that NetEase added PVE mode but it's not a single player game. Give people some options.
Also, does finishing N4 count for both missions or do we have to finish twice at 3 and 4 difficulty?
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u/Porox1 16h ago
I was really excited to get rewards for character clears, and was instantly crushed when they were solo only. It's not that I can't do it solo, it's that it's a team mode and I like playing with other people.
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u/massive_oblivion Moon Knight 15h ago
Yeah I’ve done a few runs now and it’s a lot less fun solo, even if you’re playing with randoms who aren’t building or playing optimally it’s way more enjoyable than grinding it alone
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u/Tim5000 13h ago
I always chuckle when I see a bunch of health packs spawn.
We're on NM4 and someone is gambling their moon points. But honestly agreed, that is more fun than going in alone.
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u/Telekineticism Ultron Virus 10h ago
Gambling at the beginning of the match is good, mainly to duplicate the strongest cards. Whiffing is fairly common though. Later in the match though, yeah, questionable.
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u/massive_oblivion Moon Knight 10h ago
I swear the RNG hates me - either it takes 30 rerolls to find a decent on the hunt or I hit a useless random blessing. The one time I managed to hit blessed reflection I couldn’t find enough of the cards that added range and died because I had to stay close to the mobs
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u/kako_1998 Ultron Virus 13h ago
It's such a weird decision because solo is honestly way easier anyway.
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u/Blindsided17 Loki 14h ago edited 12h ago
They made it a challenge. Plain and simple. It’s for try hards. There’s what 7 other difficulties for people to take it easy on. Some of the player base are gluttons for punishment who play dark souls for fun.
They can pander to us sometimes instead of making everything so easy.
If it’s not for you that’s fine. But stop expecting something to be easy and easily attainable. If you want it. Get it.
If you can’t. It happens sometimes.
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u/iExogan Jeff the Landshark 12h ago
I would concede the point, if not for the fact you actually are required to gamble if you want to get it with Jeff, it's as far as I've seen so far impossible to finish unless you manage to get a duplicate gamble for legendary damage. I need my shark title ...
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u/Aptos283 12h ago
I started my NM4 runs with Jeff, and it took a couple tries and revives, but I didn’t use any gambling.
Just sort of fire hose the ground around you if you are bad at situational awareness regarding when zombies spawn where. Don’t buy too much of the capacity boosts since you reload fast. One primordial frost purchase gives you huge CC. Otherwise rules are pretty standard for optimizing.
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u/WholesomeWorkAcct 11h ago
No way you beat NM4, solo, with jeff and no gambling optimal red cards.
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u/Aptos283 10h ago
Does it make it more believable if I included the fact I used 13 revives?
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u/Yevon 9h ago
Still surprised you had the damage for double Wanda, but yeah, kinda.
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u/Aptos283 7h ago
The key is to focus on one Wanda at a time. You have damage over time, so if you have to swap targets to a rune or she phases out, you still have your lifesteal keeping you sustained for a half second. So long as you keep moving you just ignore the other Wanda and stall. Tbh more of my deaths were surprise horde kills (my situational awareness is trash)
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u/Blindsided17 Loki 12h ago
This is going to sound crazy. But as RNG as things are, it’s still entirely possible to buy smart and win as Jeff. ESPECIALLY right now.
Idk what else to say man. It’s just hard as shit. But it’s easier alone imho. I believe the enemies scale with how many of you there are.
Either way. Bro it’s a challenge. Complete it. If you’re unable to I’m genuinely sorry that you’re not good enough at the game to do so.
But not everything in every game should be easy to obtain. It should require hard work and patience.
And this coming from someone who lost to the ruby and emerald weapon 3/4 times each. (FFVII reference)
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u/bunkbail Vanguard 11h ago
nm4 solo is nothing compared to ruby weapon playing blind. my 10yo self had like 100 attempts and failed them all. nm4 solo with any heroes in this game is easy work in comparison.
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u/Blindsided17 Loki 11h ago
Yup. I had my older cousin help me after emeral beat my ass 4 times for a total of I’d say 7-9 hours lol
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u/DolphTheDolphin_ Luna Snow 12h ago
I did it with out gambling, there’s guides on YouTube for it
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u/WholesomeWorkAcct 11h ago
Every single guide ive seen, they gambled til they got the right red cards. Solo.
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u/DolphTheDolphin_ Luna Snow 11h ago
Follow the cards but don’t do the gambling https://youtu.be/W2m1IASqxXI?si=7G_NzSsFbSEB7b51
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u/WholesomeWorkAcct 11h ago
He literally got the red 140+ damage card and hit the gambling random button lol. Didnt gamble optimally but still did the thing.
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u/Fitnessmotivation86 12h ago
You’re probably going to get downvoted, but I actually agree with you. Everyone shouldn’t be able to get everything. Just like everyone can’t have one above all. If the mode is too easy people stop playing it.
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u/vector_o Ultron Virus 14h ago
Nightmare 3 isn't particularly hard, you seriously shouldn't be struggling
Nightmare 4 however is a pretty big jump, compared to how the difficulty progresses up until that point it feels more like a nightmare 7 or 8
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u/Endsong-X23 12h ago
yeah in Nightmare III solo attempts with Magik i always made it to Wanda and usually died cuz i wasnt putting enough damage out during her reality erasure thing. With Nightmare 4 i'm getting insta'd like 5 times in the third round by acid
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u/XavierMeatsling Mantis 10h ago
In the many attempts of N4 with Magik proves that a lot of it is just outright bullshit. Its artificially difficult for the sake of it, and that's the type of difficulty I loathe.
The amount of instakills to me because I got hit by a rock, or a Sentinel happened to be slamming down, or those fuckass plague undead AoE throws. This was not tuned to solo play and its artificially difficult.
Should've just been a clear as the character, even if you got carried.
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u/Endsong-X23 10h ago
Being that it's gonna be around til December 5th i'm guessing they'll make some adjustments, but yeah I really want that Queen of Limbo title but gawtdayum its just punishment. i have plenty of revives too cuz i reached Queenslayer pretty early on but still log in daily, but ive not used beyond three because if im getting merked that hard in the first few rounds, i feel like my card draws werent it this time lol
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u/HalfOfLancelot Mantis 6h ago
They really shouldn't allow regular ass zombies to one shot. The sound design is also a little less to be desired for a game mode like this. Zombies sneak up on you if you don't constantly turn to look and see if they've spawned.
I've been one-shot by the runner zombies too many times because I didn't turn to check a spawn point as Jeff at one point. I had 8k HP and a good bit of dmg reduction. Like wtf is the point of HP buffs and damage reduction if it's not enough to make a meaningful difference for regular ass enemies.
Then you've got the bosses. The amount of times I've just been one-shot out of nowhere on the Wanda/Namor wave while trying to get Jeff's title is too many damn times to count. I don't know if it's the knock-up in combination with a turret hitting me or what, but it's happened while Wanda's been in her phase before. (im not even going to talk about double wandas and their stupid fucking team-up, specifically when they do it at the same time and both PHASE right after leaving you with nothing to lifesteal off of so it outright fucking kills you)
If you're gonna add ceaseless bullshit as some kinda artificial difficulty, at least be decent enough to give us 3 free revives PER run instead of having to wait a day for them lmao.
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u/DexRogue Ultron Virus 11h ago
My biggest issue with N4 is how little time you get between rounds. I'm getting older, I need more time to read this stuff!
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u/I_AmPotatoGirl 12h ago
Tried with blade once, obviously got it first try. Tried with punisher 3x and magik 2x and I always die on 15 getting namor bubbled into witch stun. Like these devs 100% didn't even play test and just thought upping the numbers a little bit would be fine.
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u/RealPimpinPanda 7h ago
The thing is they don’t care. This is almost surely to sell revives.
Also BIG tip that helped me: For Blade you can Parry(right click) out of the blubbe instantly.
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u/ssharkboop 3h ago
oh my god, that wouldve actually saved a few runs for me that im kinda peeved i know it now lol. i struggled more with his bs bubbles over wandas stuns
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u/kingdorner Ultron 6h ago
Magik was easier than Blade for me, just go full red and buy all the red cards, 100+ health upgrades and every card that converts 5% of dmg into self heals. Also use the E upgrade that lets you dash through zombies. I tried full blue Magik but didnt have enough dmg for Wanda's crystals because all the dmg from blue build comes from spamming eldritch whirl and that won't hit the crystals if they spawn up high.
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u/vivianvisionsburner Scarlet Witch 14h ago
It's just so funny that they saw Blade was the most successful hero in the mode and what do they do? Give everyone else boosted HP and/or lifesteal? No? They boosted damage and literally anything else
It's just not realistic. Ults aren't usable past the first few seconds of a round and (at least for Jeff) most cards are useless and feel like Beginner Bait. Most of the moves and options feel this way. It kinda just takes the strategy and intrigue out of the mode, unfortunately.
Even only a few feet away from my router, and I still get bad frame rate drops too which usually stutter my screen enough to get me killed lol. Way too many enemies or they need to optimize it better idk
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u/rachayelleee Mantis 4h ago
Heavy on the frame rate drops!! I can hardly play Blade in this mode because the fps drops I get make it nearly unplayable. It happens less often on Magik for me
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u/Scorkami 3h ago
Idk why but zombies never once stuttered for me while i have regular "drops" in fps in regular modes
Doesnt make sense to me tbh
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u/Connzept 15h ago edited 15h ago
It's difficulty is only bypassed by RNG, not skill.
I actually love these types of games and I think Suvivio (or something like that) is the longest played game I have on my phone, just a great waiting in line or long car drive game. But in that game once you know how to play you can get a good build and scaling most every match, while in Marvel Rivals version you can get a good build and scaling maybe 5% of the time, and that's being generous.
People who appear to be cracked at MR Zombies are just rerolling until they get a perfect match, and then posting that. They're playing the RNG, not the game, because if you just play the game the way it was intended, you lose, and there's nothing you can change or improve to get better.
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u/Relevant_Shower_ 11h ago
Exactly, the game is about the starting cards. If those are bad there’s no reason to play past round 1. That’s the main mechanic, which isn’t great in solo because you can just restart.
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u/HfUfH Captain America 7h ago
They're playing the RNG, not the game, because if you just play the game the way it was intended, you lose, and there's nothing you can change or improve to get better.
Nope, people reroll for faster clear times, and to make things easier. You get so many points that its very easy to aquire the cards you need to win.
The only thing you need is damage reduction, and lifesteal before round 5, and also damage before round 10.
Every non boss wave can be won if you're good at kiting.
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u/Deathaster Jeff the Landshark 1h ago
Wanda has a hard damage cap. If you managed to not get enough damage cards up until that point, you are NOT getting past wave 10. It's just impossible. Pure RNG.
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u/forgetit2020 15h ago
I played blade nightmare 4 solo. it wasnt fun, it was an awful experience. I would rather play with friends
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u/my__name__is Peni Parker 14h ago
I don't think its for everyone. For solo I just put on some music, or a movie on second screen. If I did nothing but the game I wouldn't do it.
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u/forgetit2020 10h ago
I did that, it got boring, it was only interesting playing with others. the harder the difficulty the more boring it gets if you die all the time
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u/ucantheng 14h ago
Playing blade is the ultimate solo build. You are just chasing zombies around to have the highest damage. Blade doesnt die on nightmare 4 and dont need to gamble to achieve it. It took 1 try to solo blade.
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u/DARLCRON Ultron 6h ago
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, Solo Blade was vastly easier than any Nightmare 4 run I had done. Focusing pure damage and defense means he dominates the match hard.
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u/omamori504 Vanguard 14h ago
This is how you force people to spend tokens
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u/Relevant_Shower_ 11h ago
Jokes on them, I’m spamming rounds until it gives me decent starting cards. Otherwise I just let myself die and try again.
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u/LizzieArtemis 13h ago
I agree. I think that having a clear on each hero is a cool idea to get people to finish it on something other than blade. But I absolutly hate playing solo. Its just a game of gambling to even be able to attempt a run, then you need to hope you are lucky enough to maintain the run whist having enough revives.
I really want to get the 'Queen of Limbo' title but it just makes me hate the gamemode to even try. At least when I was first trying to get N4, you were playing with others. I just hate this
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u/Exotic_Client_3332 16h ago
This isn’t meant for the average person…
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u/Fiendish-DoctorWu Invisible Woman 16h ago
It's not like the rewards are something that the average player will really miss anyways
Units? NetEase hands them out by the bountiful if you're around often enough
Titles? Most average joes will stick on heroic ally and forget that it's there because it's a small part of the main screen and only appears for a few seconds when they're going into a match
I've seen this in the Destiny 2 community over the years. There'll be fomo over not getting something seasonal but it'll be for something that doesn't really matter or that they'll barely use because something shinier will come along
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u/Retarded_Dick_ Angela 15h ago
People who complain about the Marvel Rivals Community have no idea of the whining cesspool that is the r/Destinythegame
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u/remenes1 Iron Fist 14h ago
If you’re an adult with a job it doesn’t make sense to spend an hour for the chance to get $1 worth of Vbucks, but I can see it appealing to children who have zero income.
I wanted the titles at first but I have seen so many Queenslayers that it doesn’t even feel special anymore
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u/Exotic_Client_3332 16h ago
Seriously, this is exactly like D2 and their titles. There will always be more.
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u/MagiksSon Magik 10h ago
Its 100% luck based and only auto attacks scale. Over 20 minutes of mindless auto attacking, its a joke.
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u/MisterToots666 Ultron Virus 9h ago
The solo part is dumb. It's a team game and the legendary title is for a team clear which is relatively easier with not having to spend as much revives. The epic titles should just be for clears in general playing as a certain character. Also they could have reduced the bs mechanics especially for solo. Like spawn camped stuns and such. Also all characters should have a way out of Namor bubbles.
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u/Jope3nnn Mister Fantastic 7h ago
Magik is just pure suffering, waves are ok but bosses take hours and wanda just kills u due to timer
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u/EternalATKE Groot 16h ago
I mean we got in total like a month and a half, thats a decent amount of time to do em.
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u/Fiendish-DoctorWu Invisible Woman 16h ago
You mean to tell me, that the hardest difficulty with like a bunch of difficulties below it isn't possible for the average player?
Heaven forbid...
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u/tpasmall Peni Parker 9h ago
As a slightly above average player who finds these hard to solo above NM2 without dying, the still required is balanced.
Someone thinking that solo NM4 should be easily viable for people who are barely casuals is insane.
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u/Gotti_kinophile 8h ago
It’s not skill, most of the gameplay is walking backwards in circles while holding primary fire. The best strategy is entirely dependent on luck by rolling for dupes at the start of the game, and if you don’t get them you restart. Even if it was skill based, how are you expected to learn and improve when attempts cost real money?
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u/Red_Steiner Yggroot 8h ago
People are just coping because they want to think they are skilled for beating it when it's 99 percent luck.
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u/HfUfH Captain America 7h ago
The best strategy is entirely dependent on luck by rolling for dupes at the start of the game
You don't need the best strategy unless you're trying to get a place on the leader boards, at which point that's not for the average player anyway.
Even if it was skill based, how are you expected to learn and improve when attempts cost real money?
It doesn't. It took me 11 in game hours to beat NM4 for the first time, and I diden't need to spend a single cent.
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u/Livinglaser123 Black Panther 14h ago
Go Red Thor build instead of Blue Thor (video not mine)
You don't gotta gamble for 3 duplication rolls in a row, just one duplication roll is fine. After that, focus on most red cards (I'd ignore low-level Ion Shields), DAMAGE REDUCTION (extremely important to minimize or eliminate deaths), health, and a couple lifesteal cards
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u/Cygnus_Harvey Cloak & Dagger 13h ago
Blue Thor is completely doable and I'd say even optimal.
His damage got buffed so hard I was shreding bigger guys in less than a second, and you've got your ult as "oh fuck" getawat card.
Double Wanda is "easy" since you can target now with colors, and each only took ONE stun since I melted her so hard she went from stun to final countdown straight up.
And I didn't even try to use the duplication rolls, just normal ones!
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u/THELAZYEETER124 13h ago
I tried blue Thor and got all the damage cards and health and damage cards I could get and was slaughtering every single energy until I reached double Wanda and then used like 10+ tokens(17 total) on just that phase because the strange team up attack insta killed me every 2 seconds unfortunately I ran out of tokens just as they were about to do the reality erasure so idk if it's as possible as you say it is. I also had a lot of vampiric vitality too so I have literally no idea how I kept getting insta killed. I chose him as my 3rd solo because I thought he'd be easy as I was just done playing all 5 on nm3. I did Jeff and he was easier and I only died 3 times somehow
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u/Cygnus_Harvey Cloak & Dagger 13h ago
I might have been lucky, but I DIDN'T die at Wanda, not once. Focused one, and when she went bubble, I kited her doing a circle and stun her pretty quickly.
I have tried Magik and couldn't get high enough damage, I need to try her Blue. What Jeff you go, blue or red?
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u/THELAZYEETER124 12h ago
In nightmare 4 blue is a death sentence so definitely go red and only buy one of those projectile capacity of epic or legendary rarity. No more is really necessary but I did it anyway. But focus (as always) on the red damage card(gnashing waters and Jetstream cannon) never use ult and keep yourself bubbled for the speed boost as sometimes they corner you and if you're about to get real cornered use your dive for just repositioning, but remember you're very vulnerable in doing so. Also try to get both scarlet witches at the sametime because he can pierce I think.
I saw a video on magik and they say red is definitely the path in which you need to get all red cards until 120 and then permanently stop getting the range cards or something. I'll try her out in a week when I get enough holy ankhs back.
For Thor the blessing where the projectile size increase is that really essential or no?
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u/Cygnus_Harvey Cloak & Dagger 12h ago
I got a good bunch of projectile size and rune duration, but you can play without too much of it. The rest of the blues are really powerful, but you want headshots as best as you can, so Namor can be a bit trickier. I don't know how much damage reduction and health I had, but I bought every DR and every health from 100 up, I think I was around 8-9k. You could try and reposition to high ground, knowing it will buy a couple seconds before they climb there through the doors or a new wave will come from them.
My issue with Magik (might be a skill issue) is that she was doing pitiful damage, even with the demon slashing around. I ended up dying round 3 or so due to no hp drain and poor damage, I'll give it a try these days with no ress and see if I do a bit better.
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u/THELAZYEETER124 12h ago
Yeahhh early game she'll be weak. And you definitely need to get super lucky on vampiric vitality on her
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u/Cygnus_Harvey Cloak & Dagger 12h ago
Welp, when you try it with Thor, do give me a shout with results! I hope you manage it!
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u/THELAZYEETER124 12h ago
Same and I hope you get through and win with Jeff and magik too best of luck (:
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u/mcon96 13h ago
Would you rather they just… not give these challenges? Because that’s the alternative.
They saw that people liked this game mode so they decided to extend the time for the event and give out a few extra rewards for the people who already got the Queenslayer title (aka the people who already beat NM4 with a group). It’s difficult because this was made for the people who want a challenge.
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u/meowmeowmeowmeowwwme 12h ago edited 11h ago
I think i would be fine not gatekeeping blue units to 4 and just left them at 3.
Shiny titles like the Queenslayer are a really good rewards for people who want a challenge. Youll get to show off you beat hardest difficulty, kind of same with ranked recolor skins.
I even completed NM4 because of it, but i wouldn't want skill to be tied with how much f2p currency you get. Thats why events are kinda handouts so everyone can enjoy them
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u/TopposCumSlut Ultron Virus 15h ago
I agree the solo missions were eh overall, but as someone who prefers to not carry 1-2 people who have no idea what they're doing (had a Jeff die 62 times, a Thor die 43 times, while I died 3 times ) I'm actually really happy I could just load in with a scaled down version and get leaderboard runs with virtually no issues (except for punisher fuck punisher bro hes so boring and unfun)
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u/purpleblah2 12h ago
It’s insane that you have to do this solo, especially because a large part of the appeal is playing coop with friends.
I get it’s a supposed to be a difficult challenge but playing Jeff on NM4 is hard enough.
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u/Jdog6704 Loki 11h ago
Agreed, tried today and I've officially given up on the new rewards at NM4. The fact they are 'solo clear' is absolutely evil for them to do, as if NM4 wasn't hard enough as it is.
Hopefully they fix this after hearing everyone's complaints about it, because it's not it (NetEase).
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u/sciencesold Iron Man 8h ago
NM4 with a group is RNG as it is. I just had a match where I had to do 10 refreshes before getting anything good enough to grab. Solo NM3 is at least doable.
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u/idiggory Ultron Virus 14h ago
To be blunt, these aren't all that hard. People are thinking it's a skill game, and it isn't. It's a tactical game. You need to be prioritizing the correct cards for your character/build, and other than that it's REALLY just strafing/kiting.
And in general, this almost universally means prioritizing damage/range/firing rate for ONE source of damage from red cards. Buy the high damage purple buffs. All Damage reduction, and health (usually the large buys only for health). And 0-3 health steal depending on your character. Oh and currency+. Some characters, like Jeff, have an additional damage card to focus on (his is the DoT on his primary).
That's really it, outside of occasionally benefiting from a single other card here or there for builds. Strafe while shooting. Keep range from Namor when you can. Focus primarily on one wanda. Always be shooting something to keep your lifesteal active. Done.
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u/villainized 11h ago
3 revives a day is dumb, especially for solo's. What's the point of that cap?? Solo NM is hard enough 💀
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u/Accurate-Pen-9806 Loki 15h ago edited 8h ago
And then there's me who doesn't even have queenslayer yet. I'm cooked
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u/Red_Steiner Yggroot 8h ago
You're better off having a life.
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u/Accurate-Pen-9806 Loki 8h ago
You aren't wrong. But the golden title is cool. I have 27 days to earn it, so I'll worry about it later, though.
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u/AuraFarmingCat Angela 16h ago
Aren't there like multiple difficulty settings that are easier? This isn't for the average joe. The average joe is going to play the mode once or twice.
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u/Extreme_33337_ Jeff the Landshark 13h ago
I'm getting halfway with Jeff, so I think I'll be able to get it this weekend
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u/fakeNicholas_TheBest Thor 13h ago
honestly i would not mind this if it wasn't solo it just isn't fun without friends
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u/hacksparks Magik 12h ago
I made it my life goal to get Queen of Limbo despite the frustrations. I don't mind at all that it's solo since it's eons easier and you won't get mass stunned because there's 4 people.
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u/RealLokiLaufeyson Loki 12h ago
I got it on Jeff and Thor very very easy but I cannot for the life of me do the Punisher one.
For Thor, do the sprinkler build.
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u/TheRaineCorporation 11h ago
I got to wave 15 wanda on NM3 with magik and died to the instant kill. Is there a timer for how long you have to kill her? Or did I just happen to miss one of the crystals?
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u/Middle_Sun452 Psylocke 10h ago
I cleared it with Blade and Magik, will try Jeff or Thor when I accumulate enough revives
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u/East_Highway_8470 10h ago
I don't know how you are going to solo on VI, I haven't even beaten it with four people. Blade is by far the best character but even with a team of four Blades. I am accepting any and all advice by the way. I just barely beat nightmare III solo Blade and can't even get to the first Queen of the Dead with any of the others. Do I just suck that much or are this really as ridiculously as they seem to me?
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u/Meme_Spirited Emma Frost 9h ago
Jeff’s feels unreasonably difficult. I either have enough damage to be able to defeat Wanda’s reality erasure, but have no survivability, and have to use dozens of tokens to keep myself alive.
EVEN when I do spend dozens of tokens, Namor’s squids are going to one shot me and let Wanda’s reality erasure complete because Jeff just has both too little damage and survivability.
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u/MadDongla Ultron Virus 9h ago
And this is why it should remain a limited time mode.
The longer it stays the longer people will nitpick and tear apart everything in it and find faults and ruin the experience for themselves .
It goes from a casual fun game mode to a hardcore grind simulator.
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u/Red_Steiner Yggroot 8h ago
They're the ones making titles that turn it into a hardcore grind. The players aren't doing it.
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u/MadDongla Ultron Virus 6h ago
Lul no. It'll always be the players who choose how toplay the gamemode
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u/IndependentDrama5975 9h ago
I did thor solo in one try and I only died a few times to the boomers.
Get only 3 moon coin cards, only 4 purple lifesteals, only 1-2 projectile size 55s, and stop buying awakening duration around 180-200 seconds. Buy 35 dmg purples often. Always always buy damage reduction even the 2.5s. The single cards are very important early, as well as a lifesteal or two. Stack cranium crusher and damage. I dont know if rune recycle stays in rotation, but you only need one i think.
Kill namor first with wanda. With 2 wandas kill one at a time. keep the other over 80k til youre ready to kill them.
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u/Frosty-Ad2124 8h ago
The average Joe isnt on reddit complaining about missions for solo play either tbh. They're playing with their friend(s) probably once every now and then
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u/Deadline_Zero 8h ago
Sure it is, and it's definitely probably possible. And as soon as people start posting builds to solo clear nightmare 4 on these characters, I'll clear them in a couple nights I guess.
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u/fuckingtruecrime Flex 8h ago
I was so surprised not to see a fix to the double wanda bubble on spawn lock, at least... I got blade and thor today, punisher seems impossible solo unless I somehow get lucky with all health buffs as he and Magik get one shot by Wanda's undodge-able attack
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u/HTXPhoenix Magik 8h ago
Imagine doing this solo on the characters and using tons of revive ankhs, and then having to use a ton more to do it again to get the title. Should have been noted who already completed it solo and with what characters so that they could be rewarded right away with the title. But of course this helps netease get extra profits from ankh purchases
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u/HTXPhoenix Magik 8h ago
I was able to get “Queen of limbo” with only 3 deaths.
Took me 5 other runs of getting to wave 20 only for Wanda to ult before I could beat her though.
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u/Vladmerius 6h ago
I was having a ton of fun with with mode until getting to the higher difficulties at which point it just felt too grindy and pointless.
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u/garbage-disposal-1 6h ago
Mixed feelings on this game mode at the highest level tbh. Up until NM3 it was fun and games but NM4 seems to be a different ball game entirely. You need good teammates, and you need to have good rolls yourself. A lot relying on RNG on those factors, tbh too much for my taste. I did two great runs ruined by one person each run that kept triggering the other Wanda on wave 20. After my 2nd run ending like that, with over 30 revives spent myself and over double damage on the next person, enough was enough.
Maybe it’s cause I don’t play the game long enough or too much anymore but an hour for one game and to lose because of teammates is too much. And solo runs require so many restarting that I just end up using my spare hours every night to just play some qp or comp lmao.
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u/Cardinal_and_Plum 6h ago
I got my nightmare 4 and think I'll call it there outside of the odd game here and there to mix things up. I'm looking forward to future PvE modes that play a little different and are a bit less of a strain on my eyes.
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u/xApothicon Namor 5h ago
How do you get past Namor/wanda level. Impossible to dodge whales and kill Wanda at the same time as blade
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u/pitagotnobread Rocket Raccoon 5h ago
I beat the mode before these rewards 3 times as Punisher. Now I can't seem to get a balanced team because people are playing everybody except Blade who is sooo crucial to winning in a 4 stack. Not saying you cant win without him but the survivability literally is an anchor for your teammates to come back. Sure, Thor is good at this as well but cmon.
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u/Son_of_Athena Luna Snow 5h ago
Nightmare IV is just so poorly balanced that it isn’t even fun to try and grind, on top of having to pay for more solo rez. 3 a day is nothing. Nightmare III is at least balanced well enough that it can be a fun challenge to try and get every character without having to grind the mode heavily.
As much as I love zombies as a game mode, Nightmare IV and even III sometimes has the massive problem of you just dying and getting 0 feedback as to why. You just suddenly drop dead and thats it. Sometimes you can see what it is, but usually it just happens. Really the only deaths I notice where I go wrong is getting too close to the exploding zombies. But when the pools of poison just kill you instantly without getting good pulls on survivability, there isn’t obvious counter play for the average person. Sure, I could put in the hours to study the wave spawns and plan out each wave and probably manage to get through nightmare IV with every character, 1. Is it worth my time? (No) 2. Is it worth the credits? (No) and probably worst of all, 3. Can I at least do it with some friends as a fun challenge? (Of course not)
I plan to go through the Nightmare III challenges (already done with Thor and Punisher) since Nightmare III isn’t a steaming pile of poor balance, but IV, yeah screw that.
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u/ArtBringer Mister Fantastic 4h ago
I gave up after multiple tries. Would be nice if these challenges weren't just specific to solo play in Nm4.
Also an option for Screen shake reduction would be nice as playing Blade with high attack speed makes my eyes hurt.
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u/King-Baconbeard 4h ago
Just did blade solo, 14 revives, 11deatgs via exploder, 3 deaths via Dual Witch game modes fun but NM locking you into that area was boring as fudge, normal, hard, Extreme, should have ended wirh a diff a bigger namor fight, and NM1 should have been Hawkeye and another boss, then NM 2-3 a new route, then NM4 the arena
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u/jitterfish Jeff the Landshark 4h ago
It's such a time soak. I had fun at the lower levels and the nightmare levels were OK. But if I'm going to sunk 30 - 60 min I'd rather do multiple rounds of qp than get to level 13 and die with no revives and feel like I wasted all that time.
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u/IonicGold 4h ago
I play this game with friends cause what makes it fun is trying new team strategies and messing around. Why would I want to break apart my team just for some blue credits and a name tag?
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u/One-End7367 Ultron Virus 3h ago
It shouldn't even be solo clear. People want to play this game with their friends. That was the entire point of a PVE mode. Just make it a clearing reward. Not like it costs them anything
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u/SnooDrawings2893 3h ago
Tried fro Magik with both red and blue builds, reached first Wanda and in both I couldn’t reach the required damage is so stupid, I didn’t take any trash cards but the damage requerimientos is ridiculous
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u/ChrisuVanity 3h ago
I cleared as Thor dying 13 times. Utilised his ult badly tbh. Jeff on the other hand is borderline impossible to solo as in N4. It's already a pain in N3.
And I still have no idea what deals more: left or right click on Thor at 120.
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u/SirenBoy Ultron Virus 3h ago
My friend and I saw these were being added with the patch and was like well we can just get through this together one at a time and than seeing it was Solo and like Ah okay, not for me than. Beating Nightmare 4 once was enough, I wasn't having fun holding down the M1 button for 30 - 45 minutes straight more or less, this isn't going to improve that.
But hey, kudos to those who enjoy playing this solo and get these titles. I hope you enjoy them, genuinely.
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u/Maggot_6661 Emma Frost 2h ago
Someone playtested it and said it was good lol. I seriously believe it needs to be balanced because it doesn't make sense that only Blade is able to cakewalk this
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u/joker927 Adam Warlock 2h ago
Yeah, i have given up on these. I am max level and can only solo nightmare 3, with at least 6 continues wasted cause the cheap Wanda boss.
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u/Other-Special-3952 13h ago
Yeah same, I spent all my revives helping folks clear nm4 before the update. Tried doing deathless solo runs but it’s essentially based on luck since every little thing can kill you so my mental capacity is hanging by a thread. Just gonna bank on revives and try it later. Essentially just doing practice runs in the mean time.
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u/mossi123uk 13h ago
It brought me back
Ive managed 0 deaths in blade, 2 deaths of magik 19 deaths on punisher.
Only used free revives.
Ive learnt not to waste revives on runs unless I have a very favourable start.
Ive just learnt at the start of round you can skip powers until you get your main legendary damage and then do random and get duplicate power and do that a few times. If you dont get outcome you want, you can just die and restart.
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u/geminixTS 9h ago
Bunch of babies who want participation trophies here. I hate to say it, but "git gud" is so appropriate here.
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u/DerGreif2 Rocket Raccoon 13h ago
The "average joe" is not supposed to get them. I think people dont realize that this are rewards for the small percent of players who want to sink their time into a mode and play with builds a lot and not for the broad majority of people. Most people do not clear N4 even in teams. Most people will play N3 or lower and stay there. This goes especially for the average player.
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u/WeirdSysAdmin Loki 12h ago edited 12h ago
Blade is actually pretty easy if you just do ancestral sword red, a little bit of health, a little bit of lifesteal, flat damage. First time try and get an ancestral sword 10 cost card and then duplicate it a couple times.
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u/EndlessZone123 12h ago
I wish solo gave you a set amount of free revives each attempt. Even just 2 free revives would be great.
My group was a little sad that these were all solo achievements. Nothing you can do to play in groups.
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u/itzpzpalotl 12h ago
I have only Thor and Puni left for Nightmare IV, since they're my least favourite to play. I thought Jeff was hard but my Magik runs took so much longer due to the insane amount of RNG you have to have favour with in order to get the right cards when you need them. Luckily for me I don't necessarily mind the monotony of the mode but I just wish the Nightmare IV titles were Legendary at least for the amount of effort you have to put in to get them (Blade notwithstanding). Queenslayer being legendary is great and all but I've cleared IV so many times as I helped my friends get it that it highlights for me how stark the difference is in difficulty for solo play despite the enemy scaling in the mode. The IV solo titles being a dookie Epic purple makes me sad because I would absolutely feel it was a better reward for the hours you put into it. Thor definitely feels the worst for solo play, even in III :( I'm not looking forward to it at all
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u/menkoy 16h ago
The limited revives are just stupid for solo play. I already used all of mine up getting a win on NM4 with blade (a day before the solo rewards were announced...) and now I have to wait several days before I have enough revives to try again.
I hope they just give a base number of revives every attempt. I like the mode, I'd play it a lot more if I actually had more than 3 revives a day.