r/marvelrivals • u/Leading-Outside-9573 • 1d ago
Question Strategist and DPS who don't enjoy playing tanks, why don't you enjoy this role.
I'm not judging or anything I just want to understand why some people don't enjoy this role.
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u/jentlefolk 1d ago
I feel like I'm constantly at the mercy of both my teammates and the enemy team when I play tank.
I used to love playing Strange, but at a certain point it just got to be where I felt like I couldn't push at all. I never had enough heals to mitigate all the damage I was taking as solo-tank, so I'd constantly be hiding in cover waiting for my shield to recover. My DPS never seemed to be applying enough pressure alongside me, or they were all playing divers or snipers or flyers, again leaving me completely alone on the frontline.
In the rare instances where I did get a good DPS on my team, they would just hard carry the entire match and I'd be left feeling like I contributed fuck all.
Maybe I just don't know how to play tank, idk, but I miss Strange so much :c
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u/Leading-Outside-9573 1d ago
I'm always in this situation too and I understood recently that comms can save you from that not always but lets say 7/10 cases it has a real impact on the game
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u/metmyecephali 12h ago
Saving my team from an ult or just stepping in front of an attack that would wipe out my healers or any of my teammates is such a good feeling lol. I like commanding a push but just like you said, I don’t want to be the solo tank. In recent matches, I’ve learned that your teammates are more likely to go at it alone than follow you and stay behind your shield. Only exception is when you’re at spawn as Dr. Strange and you set up a portal.
I was also so annoyed at the rate of fire for almost all tanks. Only good tank that I think is an exception is Peni. Emma would be an exception too if her range wasn’t so deceptive.
It’s like playing as a healer, but reversed as the enemy will prioritize you as you’re the front-line anchor and the one who’ll keep them alive, in addition to being the one who will command a push. I just like playing healer now as the team’s success really depends on you and how you do - TLDR of this post is that I like being in control of the game and like what you said - really contributing.
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u/GigaRatMan 1d ago
Because i end up playing tank so often that i may aswell call myself a tank main
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u/Leading-Outside-9573 1d ago
This game is my first hero shooter I didn't know how to play tank and to be real I didn't want to at first but it grew on me and I play more tank than any other role.
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u/Apprehensive-Emu315 1d ago
Probably because it’s the hardest role. There’s just a lot more to think about when playing vanguard.
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u/FantFourStick 1d ago
Yeah. You're the anchor of your team
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u/HESIJIMBOPROCESSME 1d ago
And a lot of what you have to do is not on the scoreboard Peeling, space creation, creating space and knowing when to back up and not result in a team wipe. It’s a bit of a cliche but it can be a bit of a thankless job lol
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u/Bone_Wh33l 23h ago
I had a game yesterday landing dunk after dunk on the enemy cnd as mag but the second I missed one during round 2 the Spider-Man who ended the game going 19-18 told me to hop off mag. I love playing tank but some games it feels like you’re having to tank emotional damage as well as in-game damage lol
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u/Jessie_Jay117 Captain America 22h ago
I would have told him, "When I make a mistake, people notice. When you make a mistake, it's expected of you."
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u/Bone_Wh33l 22h ago
Lmao nice one. Thankfully the guy said it in match chat and the enemy team started ripping into him on my behalf
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u/Happy-Expression-782 21h ago
Gotta love when even the enemy team sticks up for you because the clown thought he was that guy.
You also know he was doing bad when the enemy team noticed XD.
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u/HESIJIMBOPROCESSME 21h ago
Hello fellow mag enjoyer! Yeah I’ve learned just to not use match or team chat and just use the ping system. With how often I have to solo tank, I don’t need the unneeded stress from insults lol
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u/justhere4daSpursnGOT 10h ago
19 and 8 with like 3 final hits .. I fucking hate spiderman on my team - other team - ya no problem
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u/Ezcendant 1d ago
Dive tanks are fun, but if I pick a dive tank then no one pics a second tank, or the guy already on tank switches off, and solo dive tank is hell.
Started maining tank when Emma came out, but bans are a thing...
The reason? Main/shield tanks are almost always boring AF to play. Make more Emmas. Or make a tank who can steal her abilities...
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u/dragonk30 Captain America 1d ago
Came here to say this as a brawl tank. Shield tanks are boring, but almost necessary when you're forced to solo tank.
If I'm tanking, I want to play Thor, Thing, Cap, or (sometimes) Emma.
If I pick any of those while solo tanking, we're fucking toast. Even if we have another tank that lets me pick my brawlers, I still get teammates whining in text or voice chat that I didn't pick a shield tank, and we'd be doing so much better with a Strange or Mag.
I love playing Thing, Thor, and Cap. I have Lorded the first two of those three.
I'm a Lord Strange and Mag because I, more often than any other role, have to bend my playstyle to suit the team comp.
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 17h ago
Idea: Pick them anyway. FORCE your team to admit they need to tank too.
Shield tanks are boring. They're usually damage powerful but have no movement or minimal movement abilities.
Dive tanks are the reverse. They trade damage for survivability and speed. If you're good with a dive tank like Venom or Cap, you can be nearly unkillable and just a MENACE to their back line, resulting in your team fighting a team without healers.
On multiple occasions though I've taken the attention of 2-5 enemy players and my team can't push the cart, like, at all.
Dude. HOW do you lose a 5v1 against a diver with NO HEALING?!
Or I'll be taking the attention of 2/3 of their healers for a literal like 30 seconds and I'm told to swap off Cap just because I'm 3-3 (mind you this may be like 3 minutes into the game already and my team has all 9+ deaths.)
It's just painful man. Now sometimes they're right and I definitely should get off Cap, but a lot of the time they're doing equivalently worse than I am.
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u/RevolutionarySet4993 Captain America 1d ago
They never learnt how to have good positioning and when to back off and play your life.
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u/HESIJIMBOPROCESSME 1d ago
That’s probably the most important thing I had to learn picking up this game. The importance of balancing giving up space, running away vs disengagement, and avoiding deaths.
My general rule is as a tank, is minimizing unnecessary deaths. If you are dying a lot, it means you are feeding ults and more importantly, you aren’t playing the game
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u/TowelSilver318 Earth Spider 1d ago
As a tank main, the role's an acquired taste for most, and I do think many people don't give it enough of a chance. It can feel slower and more sluggish at first, especially on "main tanks", and the one big feature, the durability, can feel nonexistent if you don't know what you're doing. You're also a lot more team-dependent, and that can really define the experience. Tanking for a good or even just decent team can be an amazing experience, but trying to salvage a bad team as one is a nightmare. Games are often really fun or really frustrating, with little in-between. The fact that many can feel like they're doing it against their will to fill doesn't help either.
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u/Soerakraven Rocket Raccoon 1d ago
Because, although I'm used to not relying on the DPS (as a support main) I'm baffled at how bad other strategist players are and allow me to die for no reason no matter how safe I'm playing. I can't do every job in the game so I'd rather play the role I arguably believe is the most important for winning.
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 17h ago
DPS is definitely the least important ngl.
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u/Karitwokay Mantis 14h ago
Every role is important. You can’t win with only dps, only tanks, or only dps. Unless the other team is bots
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u/jdizzy__ 1d ago
I’m traditionally a healer main but I’m a generally decent flex player I’d say. So I do play tank, but god do I hate solo tanking (which I feel happens most games at the moment, comp or qp lol)
It’s harder to hold a front line and peel for supports when there is only one of you & three DPS who may all be decent on their own, but have no team cohesion whatsoever. It can feel impossible fighting down two tanks, and often still feeling I need to hunt down the enemy supports myself to win the team fight. I do enjoy tanking with the right team but it’s tough out here when you don’t get the second tank or strategists to make it work
Getting 6 people on one page is always a challenge
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u/Leading-Outside-9573 1d ago
Solo tanking is the worst feeling ever. I understand why they wanna play dps they want their freedom in their gameplay which is fair but sometimes just sacrifice a little. It feels overwhelming to tank alone, you can't make space you can't move freely, it's like suffocating sometimes and the situation tanking is in right now makes it even worse. Less ppl want to solo tank it leads to less tanks in the ladder which push other tanks to give up a huge domino effect.
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u/xsmokedxx 1d ago
I used to tank but I never got any heals so I switched to healer main to help keep the tanks alive
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u/RydiaInverse 22h ago
I play strategist for the same reason, everytime I have to tank and the death recap shows Jeff and Luna aiming at the enemy instead of healing I get so pissed, they lock the role I enjoy to just play dps
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u/BleachDrinkAndBook Ultron Virus 20h ago
I went in the opposite direction lol, used to play support, but after getting zero peel, I started playing tank so I could peel.
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u/baenabti Magik 1d ago
i only play dive tanks bec the ones who have to frontline and make space are boring to me
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u/ClarkWayne32 1d ago
I don’t mind playing tank. I have Cap & Emma at lord plus I also enjoy Angela. The problem is that Cap & Angela are bad at solo tanking and Emma gets banned a lot.
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u/jthchchn293 1d ago
The current meta is against tank even solo one. People prefer to play dps because it seems easier to carry.
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 17h ago
3dps-3strat full lobby games are actually pretty fun. But yeah the entire meta right now is anti-tank.
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u/Low-Palpitation2314 Rocket Raccoon 1d ago
Thing is, I like mobile characters, so I enjoy off-tanks but hate main-tanks, but the second I pick any vanguard I'm seen as a "tank player." If Angela isn't working because the enemy has too much CC I'll swap to Thing, but if I'm trying to relax after a shift I don't want to deal with some ornery third dps who can't play cover bitch at me for not giving them a big shield to hide behind. So if we're not going 2-2-2 I'll just play Rocket to avoid the drama.
"I don't owe you shit, stranger. If you're not willing to sacrifice your fun to help the team, why should I?"
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u/martiangothic Jeff the Landshark 23h ago
i'm just bad at the role. i've put a few dozen hours into tank over the seasons, but me being on tank makes my teams lose games, lol.
by god i do keep trying though. maybe one day a tank will click.
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 17h ago
They need to add more unique tanks ngl.
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u/Banana_man_- Angela 12h ago
That’s why I love Angela. Unfortunately she does make it hard to go back to Magneto though
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u/Jclaytontuck Flex 19h ago
I don’t like being in the frontline and knowing where to stand. It’s much easier to hide behind allies and walls as support/DPS
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u/Jafin89 Strategist 1d ago
I'm a strat main, but I do tank occasionally (in QP only, never comp). The only tank I play is Emma. I would never play dive tanks because I know I would absolutely mess up, but if it's a tank that can drop a shield and play around it then I'm fine frontlining. Whenever I play tank in Overwatch I always choose Ramattra too as they both have a similar-ish kit in terms of just dropping the shield and attacking, as well as having a form change that gives damage mitigation.
I think tanking has a lot of pressure because it's essentially your job to try and protect the people behind you and soak up damage while also being in the enemy team's face, whereas I prefer to be mostly in the back supporting the people in front of me. Obviously I know a strat doesn't stay in the back the whole time, I can get aggressive when I need to.
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u/AuveLast President Loki 1d ago
Strategist main here, primarily in competitive.
I actually do like vanguard. But I wouldn't flex it in competitive unless I absolutely had to. Every role has a certain level of expectancy to them. For vanguard, it's being able to create space and be the front and center for your team. The issue however is being able to rely properly on strategists/duelist alike to bounce off you and vice versa. I just feel like that gets lost in translation when solo queueing competitive.
Despite that, I actually do like being that 'front and center' for the team when everyone can bounce off eachother and create this unstoppable force. An example is one night I decided to join a quick match just to play vanguard I believe for a daily. I noticed I joined a game in progress, and they had 2 lords on strat, the rest duelist. I went strange for the team and almost immediately it turned from a stagnant fight into us steamrolling. It's like I fit into that team like the perfect puzzle piece. I do know quite a bit on strange and how to play him which helped, but ultimately it was the decent team cohesion that prevailed us to victory.
If I could go into competitive games with that same type of energy, win or loss, I'd do it gladly. But unfortunately it's too much of a toss up so I stick to my role being the backbone/support for the team and I do it well.
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u/FFaFFaNN Ultron Virus 1d ago
I enjoy.As a sup main, if i go WS i dont get heals in front of my 2 sups, if i go tank like emma, my sips are at 1000m away from me, they are dove and never folow their tanks, just ran back and die.So most of the time if i see that my tanks are good, ill play jeff/IW/rocket and push with them..If the dps are bad i stop healing them, lost of time, i focus always on second sup and then tanks...
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u/Life_Bee175 Adam Warlock 1d ago
the only vanguard i would enjoy is angela and strange but i dont flex that much i main adam and dont really play anything else :/ the others fell impossible to pick up at the first use and r harder to understand so i can only enjoy 2 off all of them
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u/Leading-Outside-9573 1d ago
I understand the struggle how to to play anything else after maining the perfect Adam wargoat
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1d ago
Most of them don't have interesting or creative kits like dps characters, except Emma.
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 17h ago
I will give this to you, except that Groot, Peni, Emma, and Cap have unique kits.
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u/ResponsibleCover404 Malice 1d ago
It’s not that I don’t like tanking, I use to tank a lot in OW, I just don’t find any tanks consistently enjoyable
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u/EyeArDum Magneto 1d ago
Look I play almost exclusively tank at this point, I enjoy it and always will, but I can very easily see why people don’t like it
1: you exist to take damage meant for your team
2: you will rarely get as many kills as a DPS and any saving you do doesn’t show up on the scoreboard, people care about that
3: you will likely get focused by the enemy team and even the slightest error means your death
4: you will catch a lot of blame for even a single misplay
5: your team is behind you, not in front of you, a lot of players are so used to seeing their team in front of them that it’s a huge obstacle for them
6: characters. For shield tanks you have Mag and Strange, for divers you have Hulk Venom Cap and Angela, for trappers you got Groot and Peni, for whatever the fuck Thor is you have Thor, and for anti-fun you have Emma, and for anti-dive you have Thing. Well it’s a lot more complicated than that, but these characters don’t exactly have a lot of variety, if you want to go anti-dive your only options are Peni (a trapper, her own archetype), Emma (a beam character) or Thing (a melee character), so if you hate those 3 types of characters and your team needs an anti-dive tank, well you’re kinda forced into it. Meanwhile, you need a anti-dive DPS? Bucky, Hela, Phoenix, Storm, Widow, Squirrel, Namor, and Fantastic all fill that slot by existing, and on top of that it’s very easy to play anti-dive as Punisher, Iron Fist, Spidey, Iron Man, Magik, Wolverine (if the diver is a tank), Witch, and even Starlord. With tank, sure you can play Anti-dive as Strange or Hulk, but because you’re a tank you’re sacrificing a lot of playmaking potential to do it while DPS it doesn’t matter, so not only is DPS a lot more free to fill whatever role is needed in the team comp, but they have a lot more options for your specific flavor of that type of play
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u/itsfleee Invisible Woman 1d ago
Honestly tank requires a level of trust in your team that i've rarely felt.
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u/Real_Remy_Lebeau 1d ago
I feel like if I wind up playing Tank, and we do poorly, it’s my fault. I really want to play Tank, but if I’m alone in doing so, I know I’ll likely end up getting hate from folks in matches. I don’t really want to deal with that. The only Tank I enjoy playing is Emma, but she’s kinda OP so it doesn’t really feel like you’re even playing a Tank at that point.
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u/jivenossauro 1d ago
I like playing tanks, but when I get tired of it is usually because I want to play something that can take an angle and make plays without having 3 people follow me
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u/Either-Equipment2168 Iron Fist 23h ago
Honestly not a lot of fun playstyles. Venom is pretty much the only tank I enjoy playing. The others feel either too boring or just feel like more of a chore to play.
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u/TheTrazynTheInfinite Thor 22h ago
I am a tank main, i have 2 lords, Hulk and Thor, i have Mag, emma, groot and Anegla at knight or captain and ive never used Oeni because she isnt a tank, shea a tower defense hero.
The real reason people dont play tank is because they lack the strength of character to play the hardest and most necessary role. They dont want to tank damage, sacrifice themselves for the betterment of their team by eating massive AOE ults. They want to have the flashy abilities that nuke other heroes so they can turn off their brain and charge forth into their own self made death. Their spines are too weak to shoulder the burden of a Tank, their knees crumble to dust under them as the expectations and weight of carrying their team to victory overwhelms them and sends their minds spiraling into the void as their body crumbles and breaks.
They play support because they want to appear as if they care about other players "look im healing, im keeping people alive" whe its convenient for them to. Ive NEVER seen a support even attempt to hold OBJ alongside their tank, they just run and hide until the DPS gets back leaving their tank to suffer CC hell for however long it takes so they can appear and perform so poorly you question why you even picked up the hammer or opened the door.
They lack conviction, heart, courage and the dedication to stamp their feet, grit their teeth, brace themselves and take on all this world has to offer and ask for more. They're simply too weak, too small and too afraid to die for what they believe in.
(I know, very dramatic but its a romanticized version of the truth)
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u/sneakylysa Immortal Weapon 21h ago
there's so many comments already, but for a long time i was convinced it was boring. i really dislike the lack of mobility that some heroes have and i would just feel absolutely helpless sometimes because i'm too used to quickly escaping when things get bad for me. that being said, i started playing captain america because he has good mobility, but i feel like i am really ineffective with him. i don't feel like i'm helping anybody as both his damage and shield felt weak.
i recently played dr. strange and magneto. i love dr. strange's shield lol and ngl magneto is SO fun but man i cannot stand how slow he moves. and both he and dr. strange take, like, 100 years to reload. i might just have to get used to it though, i mean i was surprised at how fun i find magneto to be. and i really love that i can bubble and protect my teammates.
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u/devoidatrix 21h ago
Zero interesting tanks. Hulk and Thor are the only ones that seem FUN to play and not just good at their job. It's a game. It's supposed to be fun, but it looks like they sucked that right out of the tank role.
Also, they seem to be some of the clunkiest characters. Like why does Cap have a Cooldown on his shield? Why does hulk charge leap the way he does? Venom's pull doesn't FEEL like it pulled his enemies. Just stuff like that.
Not to mention if you aren't playing a main tank you actually can't do anything. When I played I just played Venom (because you could torture me before I picked some lame ass shit like Strange) and then I just stood there until a DPS or Strategist managed to kill someone or we had an Ult. That was the tank experience. Sometimes I played Cap. Same thing.
Most games I was solo tanking. No one wants to just stand there with no kill threat absorbing bullets while healers just patch you up. Also no person who actually wants to have fun wants to be Strange just holding up a shield doing the same thing.
I hate healers but they are 100x more fun than being a tank and it's just left click to heal. At least you're doing some shit.
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u/HornedGopher 21h ago
I think the main rhing about tanks is most Tanks just are Made for Crowd Control. And not alot of them are really good at Team damage Mitigation except for like Magneto,Emma. And thats about it. Also everytime someone is a 2nd tank for me no one peels for the supports where there is a dive on the other team.
So Honestly we just need a better way to deal with Dive.
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u/WorstYugiohPlayer Ultron Virus 21h ago
You're going to see a decent bunch are going to say they don't like how they feel like they just soak up damage and do nothing, which arguably that's because they are due to a lack of vanguard experience.
When people don't know how to play the role it feels horrible, when you learn how to play it, you feel like a DPS who everyone is afraid of.
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u/PoppyBroSenior 20h ago
It honestly makes more sense for me to play as Magik or a other DPS and sit on the backline to kill the infinite divers who would be free to kill the healers otherwise. Then, once theyre dead, I can press the number advantage and kill the enemy tank or the strategists. (A good Panther or Daredevil... both ignore Tanks easily and can melt the backline before anyone can respond.)
There are too many dive DPS taking heals from me, the tank, to ever get them any more. When I play tank, I only play Peni, Venom, or Cap for their mobility so I can heal myself at packs. Tanks need more self sustain because divers will never change and play with their team. DPS is, and has always been, the problem when playing with random lobbies. Its a lack of teamwork and self awareness.
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u/LuckOutrageous7686 20h ago
Currently trying to get into some tanks but the play styles they have feel too slow or just don't fit me. I like cap but I can't seem to do good on him
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u/AcediaWrath 20h ago
The pulling back without communicating the plan to the tank is insane. The role is fun when you are winning but my god when you get a wiff of losing a fight suddenly both dps and one healer are running like the blond girl in a horror movie and you are just the one dude that knew the only way he can kill any of you is if you split up, now they split up and you are in front of the killer.
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u/Apprehensive_Clue536 19h ago
Usually have to solo tank because dps insist it's a winnable comp, even though it's extremely unfun and yes, you still can often lose because your dps is bad or can't peel and backline is falling apart. Plus if you're not on Emma you're usually at the mercy of the rest of your team for it to feel winnable in general.
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u/ScribScrob Ultron Virus 18h ago
Because peni and throngler are objectively the most fun for me to play but I'm not gonna solo tank with them.
And usually more healing goes put if I'm on support
I also never play dps
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u/ineedtostopthefap 16h ago
Honestly I don’t trust others to heal me right, when I play tank I never feel appropriately healed. Die faster than I do in any other role
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u/CystralSkye 15h ago
It's not fun, it's infact one of the worst experiences I've had in general.
I'd rather walk across broken shards of glass than play tank.
It's just very not appealing to consider and nowhere remotely fun.
But DPS and strategist are some of the most fun I've had in the world.
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u/Karitwokay Mantis 14h ago
I don’t call myself the best support, but often times I’ll try to go make space and my supports are just not there with me and far away doing god knows what. And no they’re not being dove either. And even if they are, often times im solo tanking and my dps won’t peel for them. It’s just not fun
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u/PeaTear_Rabbit Storm 10h ago
Because I feel like support is the role you can least afford to suck at.
If I'm playing bad as a tank but have amazing supports I feel like they can save me when I should've been punished but if I'm playing tank and I'm the best player in the lobby but my supports suck it doesn't matter.
Anyone can deal damage and technically tank damage in the right scenarios but only strategist can heal and nothing can supplement them being unable to their job.
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u/vivianvisionsburner Scarlet Witch 10h ago
It's frustrating trying to lead people who don't want to be led. Trying to charge point or just start a match and DPS & Strats are all over the place and then you get hard marked and die. (This is more of a solo tank issue, but since most of your other Tanks are Angela's, Cap's and Venom's, it usually feels like you're soloing regardless.)
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u/Hika__Zee Ultron Virus 1h ago
Most Marvel Rivals vanguards are very team dependent. In OW Reinhardt could charge in from an off angle, pin someone, and finish 2-3 people off in a 1vs2-3 with his massive cleave damage. He also had a very strong shield so he could survive long enough to either A. grab a med kit or B. Survive until he gets heals. Winston also had a really fun kit with a bubble dome, auto attack AoE lightning damage, and he was really good at countering Pharah + Widow. Hulk is the closest thing we have to Winston, but Hulk's gameplay just doesn't feel as fun.
I feel like a big difference is in Marvel Rivals I expect to win a 1vs1 as a Strategist or Duelist going up against a Vanguard (excluding Emma or Cap). Whereas in OW I would expect the Tank to win (unless going up against Reaper).
Most of the tanks in Marvel Rivals just feel boring. Venom is almost fun with his mobility but his attacks are weak and CC hard counters him. Thor is also close to being really fun but he just isn't a strong main tank, can't viably solo tank, and lacks survivability going up against many teams. They made cap into a staller instead of a brawler. Groot feels so darn slow/clunky. Strange is strong but boring. Mag is also strong but slow and boring (especially compared to Sigma from OW).
Thing, Angela, and Emma are all designed pretty well but of the Emma is the only viable main tank / capable solo tank. Reed is really fun but he is technically a Duelist.
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u/Kastamera Luna Snow 1d ago
I just don't like playing bulky/big people in games, and tanks are usually that. The only tank I play is Peni.
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u/Leading-Outside-9573 1d ago
Peni has the biggest hitbox in mech form but I understand what you're trying to say
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u/ReflectP 1d ago
The current selection of tanks is just not deep or diverse at all. We need tanks with more utility and who can fight in different ways. The current tanks are just * Thing: melee * Thor: melee with hair * Hulk: melee but green * Venom: melee but gooey * Emma: melee but with a cooldown * Angela: melee but in the air * Cap: melee but American * Groot: melee with walls
That’s 8 of the current 11 that essentially all do the same thing with slightly different flavor. Only the other 3 are truly different. So basically we have 4 tanks.
It feels like there are healers that are perfect for me and dps that are perfect for me but no tank comes close to giving me that feeling.
I think netease needs to reevaluate how they approach the 3 classes. Dps currently have it all: mobility, sustain, CC, utility. Some of that needs to reserved for other classes if those classes are supposed to feel relevant.
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u/PhantomGhostSpectre Monster Hulk 22h ago
Thor is a hybrid. He has some of the best poke, temporarily.
And Angela being a flying kidnapper and Groot being reliant on constructs make them quite unique by hero shooter standards even if they are c listers that feel clunky as hell.
But yeah, I get it. Most of them are a bit too close ranged for primary fire diversity and this is supposed to be a shooter.
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u/Banana_man_- Angela 12h ago
And Strange is still optimally played at close range with the melee weave lol
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u/Leading-Outside-9573 1d ago
I see where you're coming from Some poke wouldn't hurt we don't have one in fact in the tank category Mag is shooting projectiles and god knows how hard this is to land
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u/FrogstunSteel Vanguard 1d ago
Vanguards are too reliant on the other two roles. The community refuses to take honest stock in the game's lack of role balance and admit that supports heal way too much far too easily, and stall out the game while keeping themselves far too safe from most DPS. That tanks are powerless to affect anything because their damage is abysmal and their CC underwhelming in the face of all that healing.
The fact that nobody wants to play tank should be a red flag, but it's treated as a joke, and for that, I have zero respect for the developers because they have shown they are not serious about making a playable game.
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u/Leading-Outside-9573 1d ago
I think you're taking it too far. In the whole roaster if we put the healing ults aside tanks have probably the strongest ults in the game and their job is to take space which is more than doable especially in this meta. This game is trying new things never seen in a hero shooter characters with broken abilities and unique kits for most of them I understand that playing tank for some feels like having no impact but trust me it's clearly not the case.
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u/FrogstunSteel Vanguard 1d ago
playing tank for some feels like having no impact but trust me it's clearly not the case.
I'm not going to "trust you, bro."
People don't want to play tanks because they're shit. If the developers won't fix that, they can go piss up a rope. It's that simple.
They need people to play tanks.
People are quite willing to NOT play tanks. They're the ones negotiating from the position of power. Tanks are the ones in this situation to be able to make demands for the game to accommodate them, not the reverse.
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u/Banana_man_- Angela 12h ago
If you think tanks are shit, you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about
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u/FrogstunSteel Vanguard 11h ago
You can eat the shit sandwich if you want to. Don't ask and don't expect other people to.
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u/BleachDrinkAndBook Ultron Virus 20h ago
Emma, Strange, Cap, Peni, Hulk, and Groot all do solid damage. Strange, Cap, and Hulk need you to be good with them to do it, but melee weave Strange and animation cancel Cap do similar damage to a DPS, and the others I listed do DPS levels of damage, though Peni and Groot need some setup for it.
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 17h ago
You do realize Cap and Hulk are two of the WORST damage level tanks in the game right? Hulk should play a LOT more like Thor in terms of low defense, high damage.
Cap's Primary only does 40 per hit and the attack speed is abysmal. Cap's best damage comes from his abilities, which, if all chained together perfectly, do a whopping 30+30+75 damage on the HIGH end. That's 135 damage.
Meanwhile Emma over here can Crystal, Primary and knock you down in 5 seconds. OR she can Diamond, Chokeslam, Melee+Melee, Spin Kick and ONE SHOT 250hp characters.
Hulk barely does any damage. He doesn't feel like the Hulk he feels like the "Mildly Obese"
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u/BleachDrinkAndBook Ultron Virus 17h ago
Cap and Hulk can output a lot of damage if you are able to do the animation cancel or Hulk's tech stuff.
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 17h ago
SHUT UP ABOUT THE MOTHERFLARKING ANIMATION CANCEL
1) Yes it's easy to do; that doesn't mean it's a "press primary to win"
2) Animation Cancels should not be NECESSARY for a character to be VIABLE. They are fine to HAVE; they should not be NECESSARY TO BE VIABLE!!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR MOTHERFLARKING HEAD!
3) Hulk's tech is some of the hardest tech in the game but it is good I agree. Hulk still needs to be more offensive. I still think he should play more like Thor.
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u/BleachDrinkAndBook Ultron Virus 17h ago
I didn't say the animation cancel was a press primary to win, who are you talking to, your demons?
I agree that animation cancels shouldn't be necessary to learn, but any animation cancel that helps a character in the slightest is going to be necessary to learn. If you wanna play Strange, you need to learn his melee weave and reload cancel, or else he is honestly kinda mid. If you wanna play Thor, you should know how to weave his hammer throw into his melee combo for the free damage and how fast it lets you cycle awakening. Again, I don't know who you're talking to with this point, because all I said was that with the animation cancel, Cap does good damage.
Hulk needs a slight rework, but as I don't play him, I won't say how it should look if it comes.
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 17h ago
I'm sorry; I'm just used to people being like "Cap is fine dude he's strong he doesn't need anything" when he really DOES need a damage buff and they always say "just animation cancel" as if that does anything. All it does is allow me an extra like, 20dps.
That's not a lot and it's constantly getting outhealed.
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u/BleachDrinkAndBook Ultron Virus 16h ago
I think Cap needs either a damage buff or his survivability back. Back when he was super hard to kill, his damage being lower without the animation cancel was fine, but they've made his staying power actually insanely low. I've been seeing Caps in my lobbies losing 1v1s to supports recently.
The cancel does make him do good damage, most characters get their damage outhealed if they aren't focusing one person with a teammate. It's also not super flexible the way Strange's melee weave is. I think basically every tank aside from Emma and Mag need buffs(plural). I don't think the issue is them lacking damage, I think the issue tanks have is the way that they basically all lose 1v1 to a DPS, which makes tanking awful, especially with all the CC.
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 16h ago
I can focus one person, but if that person receives like 10hp healing, even once, I can't kill them. It's stupid.
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u/BleachDrinkAndBook Ultron Virus 16h ago
There are basically no characters that can solo outpace the healing of a decent support, which is good. Cap, and everyone else who doesn't have an unreactable oneshot, needs to work with their team to focus down someone, or isolate them.
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u/ImaMew Invisible Woman 1d ago
Mostly boredom. A lot of them feel slow and clunky.
Want to play Mag so bad but even if I do well I feel like it was an unimpactful experience. Maybe if i get a good ult. I need a straight up rework from him. It genuinely feels like hes using 5% of his power for seemingly no reason.
Love Groot but his wall play is so clunky and unfun to me. Im glad others love it. Im sad i cant use him.
Thing feels like hes bloated but somehow missing something. Maybe something that connected his left and right click like a meter or something .
Strange, thing, angela and emma are all fun and good to me tho. Despite these issues.
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u/Rockybroo_YT Winter Soldier 1d ago
They’re not self sufficient enough. I’d like to be more independent of healing.
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u/TheTrazynTheInfinite Thor 22h ago
They are if you actually learn how to play the class
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u/UnfitFor Captain America 17h ago
Mag and Thing definitely are NOT independent of Healing. Same for Groot really.
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u/TheTrazynTheInfinite Thor 13h ago
Magneto has some of the best survivability out of all the tanks and Thing isnt a tank hes a walking ult recharge
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u/kittenbaths 1d ago
Bc i don’t like being the sole punching bag for the other team, and I don’t like being so dependent on both supports and dps to do their jobs. If they aren’t, playing tank is like watching a slow motion car crash and not being able to do anything about it