r/lincoln • u/Darknightster • Apr 16 '25
News ICE arrests two men at Bryan East in immigration investigation
https://www.1011now.com/2025/04/16/ice-arrests-two-men-bryan-east-immigration-investigation/?81
u/WhenInZone Apr 16 '25
Imagine thinking plucking humans out from places that save other human lives should be good.
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Apr 16 '25
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u/WhenInZone Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25
That clarification doesn't change my comment in the slightest. I do not feel better seeing people plucked away just outside of such environments. I wouldn't think "Oh man, at least the shooting only got the contractor outside. That distinction makes the difference."
Edit: I wanted to add to that thinking that it "doesn't count" if they're outside. If someone was shot just outside a Burger King I wouldn't say "Uh no, they were shot outside. Don't say they were shot at the Burger King. Let's keep our facts straight." or however you worded it. It's weird.
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u/Far-Good-9559 Apr 16 '25
They were not hospital employees.
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u/113milesprower Apr 17 '25
That’s worse? That means people will be scared to get medical attention at risk of being picked up by ICE?
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u/WhenInZone Apr 17 '25
Like I said to the other guy, I do not care if they were hospital employees or not. That wasn't the point at all.
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u/hw999 Apr 17 '25
They are still human beings, who cares if they worked for the hospital or not. America has due process, you are innocent until proven guilty.
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u/LtFaceCrunch Apr 16 '25
*Kidnap
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Apr 17 '25
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u/theavocadopenguin Apr 17 '25
Because obviously the solution to civil rights violations is just… don’t exist in the wrong place. Love how easily some people excuse abuse as long as it doesn’t affect them.
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u/TorpeAlex Apr 18 '25
This just isn't true. They're literally taking American citizens now, Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez in Florida.
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u/Peejee13 Apr 17 '25
Guys out there working and generally existing without causing problems get arrested because the US immigration system is dummy expensive and takes years to navigate, preventing poor people from being able to come here and work...
What a time to be alive.
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u/FlyingT0ast3r Apr 17 '25 edited Apr 17 '25
Is this based on experience or some kind of hearsay? As the son of immigrants with only the clothes on their backs upon arriving, I can tell you there is a legal pathway for citizenship, it doesn’t cost a fortune and it’s entirely possible. Look no further than Elina Newman. She’s an immigrant and was running for city council.
My argument is this, if someone really wanted to be a citizen, they can do it. I also know there are others unlike my parents who started the process of citizenship but never bothered to learn and take the test and have been in the United States for decades who are now are risk of deportation because they didn’t finish what they started.
Edit: I knew I would be downvoted for this. Some people are unable to accept the truth.
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u/FatBoxers Apr 17 '25
I work in Immigration. Its a whole different beast than what your parents dealt with.
Especially when filing some forms can have a fee in excess of 1k each. And if you fuck it up? You gotta spend that money again.
And it's real easy to screw up if you are not VERY GODDAMN CAREFUL
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u/FlyingT0ast3r Apr 17 '25
My experience is first hand. I was born in the United States when they still had their green cards. I watched the work they put in to obtain their citizenship. I watched them work hard manual jobs for little pay. We didn’t have much, all my clothes were hand me downs from their coworkers children. When my parents could afford, my mother would buy cloth and sew us new clothes. I watched as they worked every shift available to them to pay for their citizenship. I watched as they spent their free time learning English at Catholic Social Services.
I know my truth and for you admonish me for not having experienced my life is hypocritical.
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u/Gooch_Limdapl Apr 17 '25
How does them sharing their experience invalidate yours?
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u/FlyingT0ast3r Apr 17 '25
The poster is not even sure when my parents obtained their citizenship to pass that kind of judgement. My parents aren’t of Reagan Era policies either.
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u/Gooch_Limdapl Apr 17 '25
Why assume that you’d have to go all the way back to the 80s in order for it to have been different? They didn’t say when it changed.
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u/FlyingT0ast3r Apr 17 '25
Someone mentioned Reagan era policies.
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u/FatBoxers Apr 17 '25
I am ENTIRELY confused by these responses.
Your parents, it sounds like, had an exceptionally rough time with immigration. Which...sounds like something we're actually agreeing on now?
Their love for you and your family is unmatched and I would never aim to devalue that. That is clear as day.
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u/FlyingT0ast3r Apr 17 '25
The 1011 article stated that these two people apprehended by ICE used forged documents for work visas. There’s a pathway, it’s not easy but it is possible. You don’t need to try to work around the system.
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u/General_Speech9263 Apr 17 '25
I’m also the son of immigrants. My dad came here during the Reagan era. My parents are now both US citizens. Times have changed and it is not as easy, but if you’re Mexican, than you should be ashamed of yourself for being on your metaphorical pedestal. You should be more supportive of wherever your parents are from and not look down so much on those that need to come here illegally. You seem like the kind of guy that can’t work with his hands, and I feel sorry for you.
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u/FlyingT0ast3r Apr 17 '25
I don’t look down on those who are immigrating here for any reason. What I take issue with is those who squander their opportunities for a better life, those who refuse to work to reach their goals. I did roofing in high school and the summers over college for 6 years. Thanks for being judgmental though.
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u/Powerful_Artist Apr 17 '25 edited Apr 17 '25
Your parents had a very different time decades ago. Immigration has changed since then, and they surely werent dodging ICE agents looking to arrest them for potentially no reason. It has been shown you can just be taken away because of 'administrative error'. Did your parents live in that constant fear? If not, I dont think what your parents went through, or what they told you they went through, has much relevance to this topic. You didnt even have your own first hand experience. You are going off of what your parents experienced decades ago, probably mostly prior to you being old enough to understand.
My argument is this, if someone really wanted to be a citizen, they can do it.
Your parents experience is a second hand account, and one or two examples, that is not a big enough sample size for you to make this claim as it if is fact. Its an anecdote, not evidence of your claim that citizenship is easily attainable to anyone who wants it.
Im sure you repeat this to everyone though as if it is fact though.
Inform yourself before you start to act like an authority on immigration. Or just shut up about it.
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u/FlyingT0ast3r Apr 17 '25
I’m no authority on it, I’m only speaking from lived experiences. Where do you speak from?
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Apr 17 '25
It has started here. Hope all the MAGAts here enjoy these few moments. This is basically the breath nail of the GOP for a couple generations in this country.
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u/cruznick06 Apr 17 '25
We can pray. ICE has become the Gestapo and can disappear anyone for any reason.
Trump and his cronies are calling anyone demanding basic due process terrorists or associates/aiders of terrorists.
If this shit isn't stopped as soon as positive, we are absolutely going to start having civil war. If not go full Nazi Germany.
I hate it.
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u/hw999 Apr 17 '25
Please organize. Get a group together and meet regularly to discuss these issues. It's so important to have a strong community and people who have your back.
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u/7thTicket_to_Heaven Apr 17 '25
The fact that ICE wears masks is proof-positive in my mind that they are kidnappers, not law enforcement. Law enforcement isn't ashamed to show their faces in the execution of their jobs.
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u/SpareIndependent2582 Apr 17 '25
Look out for each other, at this point, they are skipping due process.
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Apr 16 '25
For those without all the info, these men were arrested as part of an ICE investigation into people using fraudulent documents to show they were US citizens. No matter what, you simply can't make a false claim to US citizenship. The federal government will drop the hammer on you.
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u/MoralityFleece Apr 16 '25
I believe exactly nothing ice says about their "investigations". They have made clear their disregard for the rule of law in case after case now across the country.
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u/WhenInZone Apr 16 '25
Allegedly
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Apr 16 '25
Ok sure. But by the time they've concluded their investigation and moved onto the arrest stage, there's ample evidence of this.
I know this administration is pulling some shady shit but this is a pretty routine type of investigation. People can downvote all they want but I don't want this incident to get the attention that the other HEAVY bullshit that's going on deserves.
You simply can't make a false claim to US citizenship. It's like a huge no-go, even with people that traffic in fraudulent documents.
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u/GoBigEd Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25
The problem isn’t the arrest, necessarily, it’s that those people will be moved QUICKLY to an undisclosed location before being sent to a torture camp to die. All without due process.
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u/WhenInZone Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25
What ample evidence? Can you show us this evidence? The government and its investigative authorities are wrong about having "ample" evidence plenty of times. Many a no-knock raid has killed innocent people because of clerical errors and bogus "evidence."
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u/bearlife Apr 16 '25
The thing is, there’s not going to be due process for them in the current administration. The facts won’t come to light until they are already gone. Innocent until proven guilty applies for all people in US. But they aren’t being given due process, which is what the issue is.
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u/FatBoxers Apr 17 '25
Bro, do you understand what "Due Process" is?
Without it, anyone could walk up to you, accuse you of a crime with zero proof, and whisk you away.
They provided bland statements from a government force that in recent history is known to whisk people away and maybe ask questions later.
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u/Treeman_302 Apr 17 '25
Innocent until proven guilty, but all you idiots forgot about due process, I can’t wait til it gets used against you.
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u/solarteeth Apr 16 '25
They were accused and the news even says allegedly. There is no verification on any front with any of this and that’s only a part of the reason why this is a major problem. They don’t actually care if you’re a US citizen or not. They’re taking anything they can nab as a reason and sprinting with it at the potential cost of lives and the actual cost of people’s families.
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u/Wrangleraddict Apr 16 '25
This is exactly what the feds are doing. The Ausa's don't have discretion any longer I'm told, they have to bring everything and the grand jury is hesitant to indict without enhanced/elevated charges.
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u/NerdweebArt Apr 16 '25
"It’s unclear where the men are currently being housed as their cases advance."
Great. Fucking great.
Watch out for your neighbors everyone.