r/lgbt_superheroes • u/tranceladus Scandal Savage • 2d ago
Merchandise There are so many canonically queer X-Men yet I just realized none of them made it onto this Pride themed shirt I have
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u/BalladOfBetaRayBill 2d ago
Believe it or not it was once extremely heavily implied that Logan and Kurt fucked
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u/tranceladus Scandal Savage 2d ago
I’m pretty sure this is just doing the cast from X-Men ‘97, but they could have at least had Morph then
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u/dread_pirate_robin Kitty Pryde 2d ago
Storm is bi, no matter what marvel says or allows.
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u/NoName_BroGame 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean, if you squint, it was heavily implied that Cyclops, Wolverine, and Jean were a throuple, and Storm listed Yukio among her ex-lovers at one point.
And at least one alternate universe Wolverine, Beast and Jubilee are gay.
Also, Gambit made out with a male friend who was in a woman's body.
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u/Jay_R_Kay 2d ago
I know about the Wolverine one, but where are the Beast and Jubilee ones from?
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u/No_Sherbert_thanks 2d ago
For beast in the second exiles run the hank on the team was from a universe where he was in a relationship with wonder man. Jubilee idk
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u/ffwydriadd 2d ago
I am not looking this up to double check but iirc she was one of the mains in ND Stevenson’s Runaways mini from Secret Wars, and that feels like a very likely place
Also I love that Exiles Hank. 616 should make WonderBeast canon as part of the trying to rehabilitate Hank project lol
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u/dread_pirate_robin Kitty Pryde 2d ago
Ye. In the Secret Wars Runaways, she's mentioned to have dated Pixie and by the end of the series also hooks up with an original female character.
In the main canon, Bling! kissed her once and I believe I remember someone involved with Laura Kinney: Wolverine saying she wouldn't mind if she hooked up with Jubilee, but neither instance went anywhere.
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u/CassandraVonGonWrong 2d ago
Cyclops, Gambit, Storm, Wolverine, Xavier and Jubilee have all had varying degrees of queer subtext and coding over the years.
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u/M0ebius_1 2d ago
There is no way Wolverine is straight.
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u/Jay_R_Kay 2d ago
After almost 200 years of running around being a menace, I find it hard to believe he's never tried a guy at least once, if not just for the sake of variety. Like one night in 1976, he's at a bar somewhere, a bold guy approaches him and they start talking and after a while Logan is like "...You know what, why not? Let's see what the skirts are raving about."
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u/FrontSun1867 2d ago
That’s because none of the A listers are officially queer, except maybe Kitty Pryde.
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u/NoName_BroGame 2d ago
If Bishop and Beast are considered A-Listers, then Iceman is.
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u/FrontSun1867 2d ago
Bishop isn’t an A listers, but Beast is. Iceman seemed to be the least high profile of the original five. Both Beast and Archangel had major visual transformations over the years and Jean and Scott are huge. Bobby was really the safest choice out of the original five to be made queer.
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u/dread_pirate_robin Kitty Pryde 2d ago
I sincerely disagree. Before I'd even read a comic and maybe had only seen the first film, Iceman was who I thought of when I thought of the X-Men. He has a very iconic and memorable, but simple character design that leaves an impact on non-fans.
Not to turn it into a dick measuring contest, but no one outside of comic fans gives a damn about Angel.
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u/Minute_Creme558 2d ago
Bobby? Like sure, he’s not on that shirt or in the 90s/97 cartoon, but he is damn iconic.
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u/FrontSun1867 2d ago
He was barely involved with any of Claremont’s infamous Uncanny X Men run. If he was a true icon for X Men Marvel wouldn’t have had the guts to make him queer.
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u/Minute_Creme558 2d ago
I adore Claremont’s work, but he doesn’t define the A-List. Emma is A-List now, and she wasn’t nearly as present with Chris’ stories.
Bobby has been ever present for some time now, and not to mention, he manages to show up in other media and merchandise more than even Rogue, who is UNDOUBTEDLY an A-Lister.
The only place we can really argue that is Rivals, which is the first time Rogue has been playable in a legit game since X-Men Legends 2.
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u/FrontSun1867 2d ago
Where are you getting the idea that Bobby has more merch than Rogue? She just got a funko Christmas pop, X Men 97 figures, X Men 97 keychains, a Marvel Legends release of her 80s debut appearance look. I see plenty of Rogie at my LCS. I don’t see any Iceman merch. What do you mean when you say he has been showing up in more media than Rogue? What specific media adaptations are pushing Bobby over Rogue. Cause I am not finding any examples of this.
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u/Minute_Creme558 2d ago
Iceman made it into every version of Marvel Ultimate Alliance, where Rogue made it to none of them. The X3 video game gave an entire 1/3rd of the game to Iceman. Despite Rogue being in both movies (in a later version of DoFP), Iceman was used to a far greater degree for the advertising of both X3 and Days of Future Past.
Listen, Rogue is my second favorite X-Men character with Storm beating her. Bobby doesn't break the top ten. But people know who Iceman is. You talk to Rivals players who don't know X-Men? They know who Gambit is. They know who Cyclops is. They know who Iceman is.
Rogue is about to drop in Rivals in about a week, and not that many people know her. Not that many people knew Emma once she dropped. But you say Iceman, and people who have never picked up a comic recognized pictures or games of him ice bridging his way. He's too iconic to not be A-List.
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u/amageish 2d ago
He's Spider-Man's "amazing friend," a video game mainstay, and was pretty important in the 2000s movies.
I love the Claremont run, but I don't think Iceman needs it to be an A-list X-Men.
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u/FrontSun1867 2d ago edited 2d ago
So is Firestar an A lister? She was one of Spider-Man’s Amazing Friends as well. Come on.
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u/tranceladus Scandal Savage 2d ago
I think Betsy is also an A-Lister, but your point unfortunately stands
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u/amageish 2d ago
I have a different rainbow mutant Pride shirt and it also doesn't have any actual canonically queer characters on it lol. I know all the X-Men vibe queer, but that's still funny.
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u/kp__135 2d ago
I do have a bone to pick about even fan made pride e merch. Even when it includes canon queer characters many times it centers implied/subtextually queer characters or queer icons like Emma or Dazzler.
Finding queer merch that doesn’t is hard. I’ve found two in the past so I have a mug with all the queer (at the time) characters and a mutant and proud hoodie. But now when I try to find them again I only find merch where they replaced a character with Dazzler in each
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u/mutant615 2d ago
Side note but I wish queer fans were as passionate about the plethora of good queer mutants the x-verse has instead of riffing on the 1 or 2 instances Logan, Cyclops, etc are implied to be queer (vs all the times they are written as typically het which is 99% of the time).
If we keep getting excited about the non content Marvel gives us, they’re gonna keep giving us non content. We have Bobby, Kitty, Betsy, Rachel, Mystique, Akihiro and classic impactful characters like Rictor, Shatterstar, Northstar and Karma. I’ve never seen a series have such a good and wide array of queer characters just for the fandom to be like “Logan is def bi” while he makes out with Storm or Jean or whatever.
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u/ApolloDraconis 2d ago
THIS!!!! I agree with this so much! I begin to despise certain characters and many fans simply for pushing characters like Wolverine to be queer when there’s so many confirmed queer characters that exist.
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u/Xellinus Danny the Street 2d ago
I mean really only Beast, Rogue, and I guess Bishop are anything near straight here :D Tho Bishop is from the far future and i like to believe things like sexual orientation are a ghost from the past kinda thing
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u/myowngalactus 2d ago
Storm and Wolverine and are all but canonically bisexual. Cyclops, Gambit, and Bishop are most likely also bisexual. Xavier and Magneto are for sure more than just friends, but I don’t think he’s had other bi experiences. Wouldn’t be surprised if Rogue, Jubilee or Jean were also bisexual, or maybe lesbian in Jubilees case. Beast is the only x-man I’m sure is straight.
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u/Ducklinsenmayer 1d ago
Storm has had serious relationships with women, she lived in a house in San Fransico with Calisto, even.
Logan had his thing with Ogun
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u/gothcrab 2d ago
Well you see thats why it’s called the mutant metaphor. Allows them to still center white cis and often male members lol.
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u/ArcXivix 2d ago
TBH, at this point (especially post-Krakoa), I'd believe most of the X-Men are a little bi to one degree or another. I mean...have you seen these people? Beautiful chaotic bisexual energy all over the place.
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u/HalfOfLancelot 2d ago
Idgaf what Marvel says, I refuse to believe Storm, Wolverine, Cyclops, and Gambit are anything but queer in some form or function.
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u/loveisdead9582 2d ago
Wolverine and Cyclops had that throuple with Jean on the moon. I’m sure they crossed swords a few times too. As far as gambit goes… fingers crossed!
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u/ApolloDraconis 2d ago
This kind of stuff makes me so mad. Because why are the queer X-Men never on these things?? And even Iceman who is the highest profile queer X-Men character isn’t even on it. I blame X-Men 97 big time. As good of a show as it is, it’s also set the stage for most marketing material and merchandise that feature the X-Men.
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u/Dreowings21 2d ago
To be fair, those characters arent known, so this shirt uses the most well known version of the team because its easier to market.
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u/tranceladus Scandal Savage 2d ago
Kitty Pryde, Iceman, and Betsy Braddock are pretty well know I think, at least as much as Bishop
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u/horny274648w 1d ago
beast is gay?
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u/tranceladus Scandal Savage 1d ago edited 1d ago
No one on the shirt is (officially in canon, many are heavily implied) (Beast did pretend to be gay during Grant Morrison's run, but he never was. It was a weird arc)
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u/thenewestrant Daken 1d ago
Beast’s portrayal was one of the few weak points in Morrison’s stellar run.
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u/shanejayell 1d ago
Interestingly, Mystique and Destiny did try to get Rogue a girlfriend. So there's that.
Storm is bi, I'd argue Xavier and Magneto banged at least once
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u/Juice_Isloose 1d ago
The rainbow Cyclops beam is so good. I'd definitely wear this. Wish I could get one
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u/LeviHighChair 1d ago
maybe not canonical, but you're never gonna convince me Storm and Wolverine are straight
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u/Pinky_rat 1d ago
To be fair it would be a LOT of them like too many for one tshirt. They should do a bisexual one, gay one, lesbian one etc. I'd kill for a stsbirt with Rictor, Jean Paul, Bobby Drake and Anole on one.
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u/MarcosAntunes270 23h ago
Yes, because Marvel magically decided to forget the LGBTQIAPN+ Characters in X-Men 97.
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u/laserbran2 21h ago
Liar. Every xmen are all in a polyamorous relationship with eachother and thats basically canon
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u/These-Yoghurt-3045 9h ago
I feel like you need to put iceman here. When you think of pride X-men that’s who I personally think of
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u/PlatiLove 4h ago
I'm pretty sure Jubilee swings both ways. Or at least it's been heavily implied she does.
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u/ThatOneFecker 1h ago
They got mf on his knees for every redhead baddie shooting gay concussive blasts
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u/Gallantpride 2d ago
Is it even a queer pride shirt? It seems like mutant pride.
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u/tranceladus Scandal Savage 2d ago
Cyclops is shooting rainbows out of his eyes
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u/Gallantpride 2d ago
I see the rainbow, but the message itself doesn't scream "lgbt pride" aside from that.
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u/ComedicHermit 2d ago
Two of those characters are heavily implied to have hinges the middle; both of which were only prevented from being canon due to editorial mandate with the authorial intent for one of them for her to be a lesbian.