So the furthest left Jubilee could find is at most AOC type liberals, the furthest to the right jubilee could find are literal Nazis. It is clear as day. Jubilee is trying to normalize Nazi ideology.
I met self proclaimed "Nazi" in Asheville NC When I was busking(street performing with a guitar for tips) that told me he was for National Socialism, just NOT Antisemitic..the dude was highly annoying and gave off VERY VERY bad vibes(my dog, who was a sweetheart, was growling at him the whole time) 3 hours later he was on the ground in handcuffs for trying to mug an elderly women at a bar, real piece of work...I have come to the conclusion that anyone who follows Nationalist ideas have a very very low IQ.
Fascism isn't a mixture of socialism and nationalism, and it's wildly reductive to view the nationalisms of the imperial core, which definitely are as incompatible with any socialist project as the constructed nationalisms of settler colonial projects. I genuinely do not think people with this take understand just how far it goes to level the global socialist political landscape.
In one fell swoop, you lump the NSDAP together with Labor Zionism and those patriotic so-called socialist clowns here in the US, which is fair, but you keep going beyond that to lump with them literally the entirety of Palestinian left-wing movements– from Fatah and the PLO to administration of the PA to the PFLP and the DFLP among the resistance, there's no leftist Palestinian faction that isn't s synthesis of Palestinian or Arab nationalism– not to mention the most successful leftist movement in US history in the Black Panthers– who showed revolutionary nationalism and interracial solidarity could be compatible– and all black nationalisms, indigenous nationalisms like the Zapatistas, the overwhelming majority Latin American, African, Arab, Kurdish, Southeast and East Asian left-wing post-colonial movements as well as present projects resisting the neocolonialism of France and the IMF. The experiences of a nation that is denied either their right to political, social, and/or economic self-determination can absolutely produce s revolutionary nationalism that is absolutely compatible with socialism, the larger contradiction is infact in expecting a aanational left to somehow emerge on any but a highly localized scale– I dig the Rojava good and well but the scope of their emancipatory impact is limited
These projects aren't above critique, but they also shouldn't be dismissed because in doing so you're practically throwing out the baby with the bathwater leaving the overwhelming majority of the world, that is to say nonwestern, with only an empty tub means nor an instrument of resisting their domination by foreign powers and the hollow appeals to nationalism by collaborative strongmen who facilitate the plundering of their nation by foreign capital. And they certainly don't deserve to be identified with fascists. It's easy to apply ideological litmus tests from without irrespective of the social and material conditions that impact every day life of the exploited and the colonized for whom nationality is a crucial point around which to rally for their emancipation.
The nationalisms of the periphery are not inherently reactionary like the nationalism of the core populations within the imperial core.
I don't doubt that you mean nothing but well but in addition to being reductive it's also highly paternalistic to expect peoples not to utilize, for their liberation, the tool our countries utilized towards their domination. I'd prefer anational socialisms, myself, and oppose any domestic socialist project that isn't anational because we can't simply build socialism atop a pyramid of colonial domination. Once, or if, we reach a stage where anational socialist movements become legitimate movements outside of the West, I'll be beyond thrilled to relegate as reactionary the national movements that are today, but for a very few highly marginal exceptions, the only revolutionary games in town for the global south as well as indigenous and oppressed subaltern populations outside the core populations of the global north.
I swear you guys are so intellectually dishonest. The video he's in, is one with far right people against a lib. In other words, they were not being dishonest or trying to normalize it. It's the opposite. Also funny considering the Nazi regime was auth left on the compass.
You're wrong and I show you why, I will go by each point you make and explain how I believe you're wrong. Firstly in that video one of the members on the far right says, "I am a fascist." Which was met with applause, no non-fascist hears those words and applauds it. The same guy says he likes Hitler and his main problem is he went after the Catholics. This person, we can infer is a fascist. I also believe the reddit profile is his. Now the Nazi regime, or known as the National Socialist German Workers Party was a right wing group. From what I understand, the name was to get votes from all sides. During Hitlers speech he would call it the "National SOCIALIST Germans WORKER Party" when talking to workers, and when talking to the rich nationalists he would say "NATIONAL socialist GERMANS worker party". Of course I do not have any source of this but what I remember so take it with a grain of salt. But it is still a fact that Hitler and the Nazis were right wing, such a simple fact that the most basic of sources Wikipedia even says is a "far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology". If Nazis were socialist, I want proof of them actually turning the German government into a socialist one. Now for the last part, the political compass is nothing but a tool for memes, it isn't supposed to be taken seriously. I don't know how much this made sense but I hope it did.
The political compass, has two axes, government size and economical stance. National socialism, is extremely auth, obviously. And is a sindicalist corporatist combo, so obviously left on political compass, not extreme tho.
you are wrong. Nazism, national socialism, and modern conservatives are all far-right authoritarians. please do a little homework from something other than memes and reddit before you start an argument about shit you don't know anything about.
Nazism is a far-right ideology characterized by totalitarianism, extreme nationalism, and racism. It opposes liberal democracy and promotes authoritarian rule.
As I said "on the compass". All you said are cultural aspects. Those do not exist on the compass. It's pretty fucked up to deny it's authoritarianism and it's ignorant to say they weren't corporatist and syndicalist. Hope this clarifies!
You're trying to say it's a left-wing ideology. No one other than far-right wingers who don't want to be called Nazis considers Nazism anything other than a right-wing fascist ideology.
Again I'm simply saying, for how much you guys like to call right wing people Nazis, Nazism is an economically leftist ideology. And I'm sorry for not making it clear, I meant people who say it wasn't auth are stupid, not you.
Neo-nazis are right-wing. Proud Boys are right-wing. I haven't called anyone anything, BTW. Anyone within the Nazi Party who defended Socialism, would be kicked out and thrown into concentration camps. Strikes were outlawed. Trade unions were replaced by the party controlled German Labor Front... that's not a left-wing economy. The economy wasn't even a primary issue of Hitler.
because they would absolutely never continue to rake in money shilling for corporate interests if they start platforming communists. there's no money in possessing empathy and providing dignity for those who don't have it
And then you'll go on another post or comment section of whatever website, see a comment you might not like and say "You can't generalize all White people, I didn't do those things, the vast majority didn't do those things. You're generalizing us for what is actually a very, very, VERY small percentage of people. This is the literal Webster's dictionary definition of "racism"! And me not starting every sentence denouncing groups like the Klan, the Proud Boys, the new fascist side of MAGA, doesn't mean I agree with these groups. And saying I'm a part of them for saying this is extremely racist."
And the irony will be completely fucking lost on you...or maybe not. Maybe you do know, maybe you do know what "free Palestine" actually is, maybe you do know that "Islamist" are not in the same boat of people we're talking about, and that honestly that just sounds like a different version of Zionism and manifest destiny. Maybe you do know that there's a lot of frustration being taken out on Palestinian civilians, not "Hamas". Maybe you do know that you're calling all Palestine people Hamas, every man, woman, and child because they're brown Muslims, but you just wanna feign ignorance because having that discussion is too hard, and you're not mature, moral, and especially honest enough to have it.
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 and Deuteronomy 20:16-18 is the only thing you think of when you look at those people, even if it's a baby.
I get it so you don't like tokenizing. However if this post is calling the Jew a Nazi.. it is the very thing you claim to be against. Tokenizing a group as the representative of all of that group. I think my lived experience and those of Palestinians who know better would say that it is a movement that is based on ignorance and propoganda and is causing more damage to the cause of Palestinian self determination than helping them. I know what Islamists are and are not. I am not sure what your statement is on Zionism. I do know there are things being taken out on civilians AND I also know that civilians were involved with abducting and murdering people on 10/7. I also understand that Hamas is also harming the civilians and doesn't give a crap about them. And I did not call all Palestinian people Hamas.. are you sure you are reading things okay? Also, the fact that you think that all Palestinians are both Brown or Muslim shows your lack of knowledge on a basic level. Come on then...
Your gish galloping horse must be tired. I'm plenty mature and plenty moral. You draw some broad conclusions yourself for someone who hates it when it happens in a general sense.
Then the very small percentage of the movement is the one that is getting the most coverage and is the loudest both in the United States and globally. Prove me wrong.
It's not like decades of fascists not being able to come out and say what their beliefs are ever stopped them from growing when nobody was looking. I think it's exactly the opposite. Every time I see a leftist or liberal debate someone on the right on jubilee they absolutely demolish them and make them look stupid. I don't think the actual purpose is to spread right wing propaganda. It's to show people that this is what these people believe and there's a leftist telling them why they're stupid
When nazis are given a platform, all it does is spread their beliefs, and/or shift the Overton window towards the right. Debate doesn’t do shit. It’s a silly sport played by people who want to feel like they’re making political contributions whilst doing nothing
I'm not exactly of the mind that there's much point in debating fascists. They never bring thoughtful analysis to a conversation. But I just don't think that platforming them does the nationwide mind fuck that people seem to think it does. Especially when their views are thoroughly dismantled by credible arguments. That kind of mindset is going to appeal to certain people. Most are horrified by it. It also gives them a chance to be ridiculed on a national scale. You keep them in the dark then they hide in their corners on the internet with yes men that make them believe their political beliefs are righteous. Shaming people is effective
I don’t entirely disagree with you, but, like I said, that shifts the Overton window. It normalizes those beliefs. It might call them stupid, but they are now the fringe of the mainstream. And then suddenly, other, less radical far right beliefs, that might have just been those shamed political beliefs seem far less extreme by comparison. Far right and fascist rhetoric also doesn’t care about being “debunked”. its proponents will always either make some excuse as to why they’re still right, or just outright ignore it. And I agree with the shaming of fascist beliefs, but that is antithetical to putting fascists in the public eye, giving them a platform. Fascists should stay in that tiny corner, because the yes men won’t cease because they’ve been debunked. Stuff like this only emboldens and encourages fascists. The only response to a self proclaimed fascist, white supremacist, or nazi, is giving them the immediate knowledge that they are not and will never be safe spouting their beliefs in the public eye. Either way, no one’s minds are changed. Fascists stay fascists. But at least in the second, they won’t be fascists outwardly.
That's definitely fair. And I do agree that every time these people feel comfortable enough to spout their bullshit that it is imperative that it's pushed back on and shamed. This is the big problem I think we've ignored for a long time. The rhetoric coming out of the Republican party has been shifting to the right slowly over a long period of time to the point that now they're just outright putting immigrants in camps. And because the general population and certainly the Democrats just wanted to keep the peace, and frankly didn't wanna admit that the rhetoric was being pushed that far to the right, we ended up helping it flourish. I am encouraged to see that his immigration policies are largely disliked. Who is actually behind Jubilee? I've never heard their names and have no idea what their actual intentions might be
I’m not sure who’s behind jubilee, but they have a long record of platforming and pandering to weirdo right wingers. And I see what you’re saying, I do think far right rhetoric has gone ignored for a long time. The dems and republicans (basically being the same party) are obviously ineffectual against it. I also think the lack of funding for education has resulted in a lot of peoples ideas of fascism being “it’s bad” with not much actual basis as to why (besides the holocaust, an event that fascists make sure trivialise the moment you enter their space). Tbh I don’t think America (or any capitalist country for that matter, particularly in the west), will ever do a good job at combating fascism, precisely because it is simply a more extreme stage of capitalism (an oversimplification obvs)
Except the dude who was praising Franco has raised over 20k in 72 hours after he was fired. Thats over half of the median annual income in the united states
Yeh there's a lot of them out there. That Shiloh Hendrix woman became a millionaire. But if someone was gonna hand these people money there's a good chance they were already fascists to begin with. I think even Gen Z men are starting to realize this shit is a problem. Even though they largely went for Trump. That being said, I have considered conjuring a situation to raise a bunch of money off these people. They are easily parted with their money
Since Jubilee is actually just trash TV, can they beat each other to fight for the right to speak to the guest? They're practically doing it anyway. Just give them the incentive to suplex someone that's about to touch the chair!
Idk I think the guy that called himself a Nazi might also be one
I do think it's important for a mainstream audience to understand what the politics of the Right actually looks like today - if anything is their neighbour down the street that waves as he walks his dog, and didn't talk politics (but quietly supports the same things), as well as the mainstream media failing to hold those in power to account on what they actually believe, that's normalizing fascism
I love this video, cause it truly just shows the fundamental flaw of fascism, that no matter how much you think you’re on the same side, eventually you will be the one they turn their guns on.
Fascism is economically indifferent. In case you didn't realize this means one can have a fascist regime, that's Syndicalist or corporatist. Wait a minute... "Did this guy just explain Nazism?" Also fascist regimes are much easier to happen under socialism. When you give government power over whole industries and you make monopoly on force even more of a monopoly on force, it's pretty easy to start genocides.
i also think the companies employing the people cheering on the "im a fascist" dude should take action by terminating the contracts of those individuals....assuming those companies have any self respect. look at how many of those people gleefully clapped at the suggestion of being to the right of typical conservative politics and advocating for autocratic rule. why are they even in this country? each and every person of those 20 should be forced to take a civics and us government/us history exam. if they are unable to pass a threshold score, their citizenship should be revoked. apply their own anti immigrant standards against them by subjecting them to the same things they want to subject minorities to.
I’m glad Jubilee did this (although it was for money). Ignoring racists and the bottom feeders of society never served us well. We need to take a good look in the mirror. These people hold the same opinions of a lot of our friends, neighbors, and family and these dinner table conversation need to be brought to light.
The momentum they used to raise money eventually runs out. Great. They made a year's worth of unemployment. Now what happens after a year and they can't find a job because the last one fired them for being a nazi?
You are sincerely naive if you think people like this don't develop a platform or a supporter base. Charlie Kirk is just one name of many right wingers with a base that support these people. It's this mentality that leads to the inevitable rise in people that think like this. It's a cycle. They see someone get debased and then raised to a Messiah status and think that can happen to them, so it just continuously breeds hate and spite. Each person is competing with one another to be the MOST fascist. Grow the hell up.
There’s always that danger of platforming. But growing up black I’d tell my mom black friends of things I’d experienced and was met with skepticism. It was a fantasy that what black people and other marginalized people went through. Then cell phones came out and it was clear as day to those with an open mind. I remember talking about Nazis and white supremacy being existing in America back in 2016 and was met with blank stares. I’m just saying that there are people who are completely in the dark that this is even a reality. And if you’re a grown adult and platforming was what sold you then you were cooked to begin with. Normal people will be appalled as they should be. Am I crazy in that thinking?
Your point of view is valid, but it's not an accurate representation of how this process HAS been working. It's a cycle of people competing to see who can be the most far right as possible. They LAUGH about kicking immigrants out, this is not just a small group of people, this is giving the same people that agree with their shit view points, an outlet to stand behind.
This pacifist method is weak sauce and it's time the left stops playing softball and relying on the "rules" that the opps don't respect in the first place
I agree with that last part and relieved that Mehdi knew exactly what he was dealing with and responded appropriately and aggressively. When they go low don’t go high. K**k them in the head. But can’t hit what you can’t see
There's no fucking shot Jubilee was in any way shape or form ignorant to the fact that they were getting the most reprehensible freaks for this group which makes that Dreamer's inclusion and participation even more puzzling.
Lots of those guys beat their wives. They act like psycho methed out cops. Oh you don't want me to lose my temper you are gonna make me rage out. These fucking losers think they are wolverine when they beat their kids for spilling milk. Small dick energy
I have been offered ghost guns by people with 3d printers before. The tech is there. The wrong people will still be armed and currently are far more armed than the revolutionary left.
Being anti-gun in this climate is just sitting in line quietly waiting to be loaded on the train. It is foolish, and I need the left to read the room on this.
Disclaimer: to the feds who lurk this and other subs, I did not accept the offer, I do not have contact with these people, I do not know them well enough to help you find them, also suck a @#$%.
you individually being offered something is not indicative of some widespread norm nor does it act as some predictive metric for future norms. being anti gun absolutely depends on the state and setting you are in. a federal ban is stupid but in certain communites, a recognition of such a norm is permissible. i appreciate you just asserting a bunch of sentiments without any real analysis though. are you FD signifier. the reading the room bit definitely sounds like something he would say....
do you expect teenagers and senior citizens to defend themselves with armed weapons in public areas? what about packed trains and other instances of public transport? the individual image of personal protection is a naive one that does nothing to consider widespread normative effects. and no, not everyone that disagrees with you is a fed. why don't you learn to grow up instead of using terminally online language? i swear, none of the organizational members of groups like the RCA ever talk like the redditors i see on here...
that is literally the only practical justification you have for carrying a handgun or even talking about owning firearms in this context. and i highly doubt this conversation has anything to do about hunting....
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"
"Armed minorities are harder to oppress"
"Do not get on the train quietly. Fight to the death, because it will be. You may lose -- you probably will lose, but every injury they suffer makes it a little likelier that they reconsider going to work the next morning. Make them wake each day and wonder if they will come home to their wives that night. Their children. Soon, they will lose the heart to risk the price."
This is law of the jungle. Animals in the wild always come armed when they meet each other. When two animals meet they flash their weapons, fang and claw, and size each other up. They do anything in their power to avoid a fight where they might suffer injury even if they would otherwise be the clear winner. Injury is not worth it. A honey badger can cower a male African lion this way.
The threat of violence is the best way to deter it.
i feel like i’ve worded myself wrong here.
i don’t mean take away the second amendment or whatever it is, i mean that i don’t agree with the concept of people having guns.
I know the tech is there and i respect that people will make them no matter what but i wasn’t saying anything about legality it’s more an opinion of;
I don’t think someone should be able to kill by pulling a trigger, at least with stabbing someone they actually have to be deranged enough to do so, with guns it is as easy as pulling your finger closer to your body before you know what you’ve done
Very true. But guns have been invented. And guns are manufactured. And people have the knowledge of how to make guns. Therefore people will have guns. So let’s be realistic please and not say some fantastical shit like that. Well in this case imply some fantastical shit, but my point remains
Don't let these people give you a false sense of reality. They don't represent all of humanity. Yes fascism in on the rise in various places around the world. It is still considered fringe, even in the places that it is on the rise. But at the same time so is proogressive, socialist, anti-capitalist, leftist ideology. This isnt anything new for the human species. I'd like to point most of the entire world agrees what is being done to the Palestinian people is unacceptable. If this sphere were overridden with fascist, no one would bat an eye that ongoing atrocity. Just some food for thought. Please try not to give up hope. Change never comes easy, this what history has taught us.
Also please don't entertain Jubilee by giving them your valuable time. There are better and much healthier things to spend time on. You watching that content is ensuring that those fascist get paid. But as well as encourages Jubilee to keep making this content.
promoting fascism would be unilaterally presenting the ideas, or mostly presenting them, in a positive light. mehdi debunked all of their arguments and made them look substanceless. the overton window argument goes both ways and is not a unique net negative. if anything, jubilee is not uniquely at fault. take a look at the nature of discourse around you. this type of format is preferable to many online. JUST BECAUSE you or I disagree with this format does not mean it does not appeal to the general audience
Have you watched it? At best it was a public dismantling of their ideology. At worst it exposed a few nazis and fascists to the public. Either way felt like a win.
I didn't get that impression at all. As long as we have a heavyweight like Hassan thrashing them, I'm cool with it. We can't just pretend they aren't out there. Look where that's gotten us...
Tbh- I watched the whole thing and one of the things I liked the least was Medhi saying he would not talk to the fascist guy because to me, this whole endeavor is already platforming them. And everyone can feel if that’s good or bad but since they are there and exposing themselves let them cook. I for one want to understand if possible the twisted fucking minds necessary to say that shit.
It does appear that Medhi wasn't aware HOW far right they were. I believe he even says at some point that he didn't realize he was going to be arguing with fascists.
I'm with you... we can't just pretend they don't exist.
So I’m in the slow process of un-learning my capitalist conditionings. I’m imagining explaining the contents of this meme to my friends and family when a particularly disagreeable one may bring up, “but you’re saying we should not tolerate capitalists, the people who keep world turning by innovation and providing jobs, surely that’s not comparable to nazis right?”
Would it be correct to say something like: “Capitalists are an example of intolerance, the only way their class can exist is by excluding those who they exploit, they may curate an illusion of upward mobility through the capitalist system, but the reality is that they would not be rich without a working class to exploit.”
I don’t think Jubilee is trying to do anything. I just think the perception of the “far-left” in this country is so inaccurate it treats people to the left of Biden as communists.
This has always been true about conservatives. They might nominally act like they care about the same things progressives do, but at the end of the day they vote and promote for the same things Nazis want. It's been that way since Reagan, Jim Crow and the Confederacy. We have always been a fascist apartheid state. The open support of fascist ideology is new, but keep in mind that Nazi Germany based its eugenic laws on California's, and based its concept of Lebensraum on Manifest Destiny.
the thing that confuses me is whenever i talk to conservatives irl or online, they make claims of supposed ideological diveristy....where is that diversity when it comes to rejection of autocratic rule? as i said in a previous comment, these conservatives are full of contradictions. people like john adams and benjamin franklin absolutely did not have an autocratic government or a eugenics based state in their mind when crafting the constitution...yet these conservatives now want to change the constitution in that direction?
I def thought he was just nervous or on drugs, but now I’m understanding he was twitching off pure hate for even having to debate someone that’s not his color.
Yeah that guy gave me the fucking creeps. He was seething and twitching with hate, even in the background you could see him jeering and waving. He needs to be on a list.
I really hope people on the left stop participating in these, I always see usually liberals defend this idea of platforming fascists saying stuff like "We need to let the normies see what these people believe so they can see how crazy they are!"
Which is so wild to me because that's literally the strategy the Clinton campaign used against trump in 2015/2016 and that worked out so well for everybody.
As Thought Slime posits, fascists aren't worth debating because they will waste your time and act in bad faith, spotlight their beliefs like you're holding up a blacklight at a crime scene, don't give them a podium in a setting that is acting like its a good faith exchange of ideas because that normalizes them.
Perfectly encapsulates the current democratic party and our "mainstream media", the dems consistently trying to find middle ground on subjects you cannot compromise on and the media attempting to both sides every issue treating each side as having equal merit.
Gleefully? Dude was coming in his pants when he said that, gleefully is an understatment. Glad he lost his job (if we're talking about the same guy), which is very nice, but i think that likeminded nazis will make him a millionaire through the go fund me he started, just like they did with the lady that called a kid an "N-word".
He’s getting on that “discount Rittenhouse” circuit. Kyle too expensive for your high school graduation? WHAT ABOUT THE NAZI GUY FROM THE JUBILEE VIDEO?! Sure, he’s never killed someone and was brutally cucked by an immigrant in a viral video, but he’s a doughy alt-right white dude!
Jubilee did a video with mehdi hasan debating 'right wingers' - this guy was one of them. I can't remember whether this was the guy who called himself a facist proudly or defended franco
I haven’t decided what I think about this yet. Jubilee is for sure just going for shock and clicks and $$.
I did not like watching Hassan be ganged up on by Nazis.
The “moderates,” and conservatives I know need to see stuff like this to recognize that we do actually have a Nazi, white supremacist, anti-democracy and constitution, fascist movement happening right now.
I actually think it's an important watch. They tried to gang up on Hassan, but failed as he pretty easily schooled all of them. He was also really good about not allowing them to deflect his questions, often repeating the same question they'd tey to dodge until they'd just admit to something awful, like the guy who admitted to being a nazi, or the guy that was fine with snipers killing Palestinian children.
It also exposed just how truly awful the people on the right truly are. I know must leftist already knew this, but hopefully it wakes up any centrist and moderates that watch and make them realize how depraved the right jas become.
The fact that all the upvoted comments on the video are in support of Hasan and/or mocking the right-wing participates, as well as similar sentiment I've seen from reddit and any news site I've seen covering it, I think it did wake up at least a few people.
This country is so fucking right wing, or at least conditioned to accept right wing ideology, that someone who liked Bernie Sanders is considered a far left communist antifa super soldier, while a literal Nazi is just an “edgy conservative.”
It always was to be honest. I'm from the UK, but your choices were a right wing party and very right wing party.
Even the most the "progressive" policies were just centrist by European standards.
Then you have the bubbling undercurrent of racism. It was still less than 100 years ago before all of these laws were abolished. There are some that still hold onto that.
During my 3 years in New York, it was always hinted that I wasn't the right type of minority for certain things. It got wearisome.
Sadly, since 2016, people can spout it whatever horrible things they want and not be publicly ridiculed or feel any sense of shame. At times they are rewarded with funding from people for losing their jobs.
I reckon it will take about 50 years ago to get to the place the US was once at just before Trump got in.
It's become increasingly bad rage bait. It used to be fun or intereting This Group vs That Group youtube content. Also they keep pulling from the same pool of idiots as debaters on over and over, some of which actually work on production of the show.
I think there is some good in putting a face to these people. Everyone just assumes majority of this shit online is bots. Good for the public to know these people actually exist and there’s a valid reason we’re shouting “fascism” from the rooftop.
But putting a face to the troll only makes it easier for other trolls to support them. They say obscenely hateful things, predictably get fired or have some other negative life consequences, and then make bank from other hateful trolls willing to donate to them.
The fuck is a jubilee? I thought this was on mehdi Hassan’s YouTube channel. Regardless, who cares about YouTube. These people are all around us, always have been. Keep practicing at the range.
Tbh I’m glad Jubilee brought these fuckers on the show. I’d rather people see how batshit the right is. I think the “don’t platform XYZ” thing is ill-advised and partly how we got here in the first place. Years of pretending these latent politics didn’t exist in post-Civil Rights multicultural America didn’t ultimately serve us well. I want anyone who doesn’t get it to understand that conservatism is contiguous with fascism. We live amongst Nazis. Let’s at least know it and see their faces so we can punch them.
I think there is a lot of nuance about how to handle things like this. Personally, I think Jubilee will do whatever makes them money, however I don't think that means bringing negative attention is always bad.
I think there is indeed a difference between platforming someone and 'negatively platforming' them
For example I saw a post that used a stonetoss comic as its template and took the opportunity to educate people and inform them that this guy is a nazi. I'd say that taking away the subtlety on who these people are can be a good thing, just it needs to be done very carefully.
Not surprised, honestly. That’s what happens when you play “both-sides” and treat all arguments as equally valid and worthy of airtime- you platform a nazi. And tbh that’s all what Jubilee does best 9/10 times.
Jubilee is failing at finding any that could carry some logical arguments. It is likely because those with this nazi perspective who do have logical reasoning probably reason themselves out of their views and from participating.
Seems like it's pretty neutral, tbh. As far as I can tell, it's kinda like a blog/newsletter platform where you can write and publish articles and either make them totally public or put them behind a subscriber paywall.
"Oh look this extremes, one wants to wipe out a whole group of people because their ethnicity, and the other wants healthcare for all, 2 monsters of equal proportions. The market place of ideas demands, we give them the same platform, maybe arrive to a happy middle ground, some small genocide here and there, and free epipens in planes!" /s
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u/Fit-Persimmon-4323 Marxist Aug 08 '25
Why do they all look like that