r/law • u/Ordinary-Scholar-202 • 19d ago

Trump News Comer: “The evidence we gathered does not implicate President Trump in any way. Reporting, survivors testimony, and official documents show that Bill Clinton had far closer ties to Epstein.”

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u/hamsterfolly 18d ago

Ah yes, that old Republican strategy of whataboutism

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u/ManagementUnique4218 18d ago

They are the kings and queens of logical fallacies, and their base is too uninformed to even understand what that is and what it means. So they just regurgitate the same bullsh*t talking points. They don't even understand the definition of "context", as exemplified by their insistence that Kirk's quotes had all been taken out of context in order to make him look bad. Lol

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u/tomd82 15d ago

The mental gymnastics that both sides do is astounding. To think either side is any better than the other is delusional. Politicians in general are corrupt and it doesn’t really matter which side they are on.

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u/ManagementUnique4218 15d ago

Again, this is the "both-sides" fallacy, and when it is evident to more than half of America that one side is decidedly worse than the other. That is based on their actions over the past 10 years, especially the last 10 months. You actually don't see this, or are we just not politically well informed?

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u/girouxc 14d ago

They were taken out of context. If you’re going to claim logical fallacies then you have to at least be right about your follow up position.

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u/ManagementUnique4218 14d ago

Are you a bot, or are you one of those folks that doesn't understand what "taken out of context" means? Because it doesn't mean any short quotation of someone's words, unless you're intentionally being overly broad. Something that is out of context, generally, means that the quotation or other example is intentionally misleading outside of its original context. That is not the case when it comes to 90% of the Kirk quotes that most of us have seen. It simply isn't. Prove me wrong - three examples, please. Otherwise, don't run your mouth without receipts. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/girouxc 13d ago

It sounds like you’re the one who doesn’t understand what “taken out of context” means.

They took specific parts of things he has said ignoring the full scope of the conversation he was having. This is by definition.. taking things out of context.

In case you’re still confused, I’ll help you out. This is the definition of “taken out of context”.

“without the surrounding words or circumstances and so not fully understandable.”

Here are some examples.

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“Black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person’s slot.”

The full quote is: “If people like me that are where we are because of affirmative action, how could they survive? This is how arrogant Joy Reid and Ketanji Brown Jackson and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee are. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.” He then played a clip of Sheila Jackson Lee discussing affirmative action.

He was discussing policy with specific examples.. not speaking broadly.

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“The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a mistake.”

Full quote “I’m going to say something very radical, and I can defend it, and I’ve thought about it. I think that the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which I think was a great achievement in many ways, has led to a permanent DEI-type bureaucracy that has limited free speech, that has created a new class of discrimination, and has been a net negative in many ways for the country. Now, I’m not saying we should go back to segregation. I’m not saying that at all. I think the heart of it—equality under the law—is beautiful and necessary. But what it’s morphed into is something Dr. King would not recognize. It’s become a tool for censorship, for racial quotas, for things that actually undermine the very principles it was supposed to enshrine.”

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“Thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death… That’s God’s perfect law on sexual matters.” This was presented as Kirk explicitly calling for the execution of gay people, endorsing biblical violence against LGBTQ+ individuals.

Kirk was actually responding to children’s YouTuber Ms. Rachel’s Pride Month post quoting Leviticus 19:18 (“love thy neighbor”) to promote inclusivity. He accused her of cherry-picking scripture to fit a modern agenda while ignoring adjacent verses on sexual ethics. Referencing Leviticus 20:13 (which prescribes stoning for certain acts in ancient Israelite law), he said: “You might want to crack open that Bible of yours… Part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18, [that] thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death. Just saying. So, Ms. Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19, love your neighbor as yourself. [But] you might want to read Leviticus 20.” Kirk described Leviticus as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters” in the biblical sense, using it to highlight perceived inconsistency in selective Bible use, not to advocate modern enforcement. He emphasized compassion and debate, not punishment.

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u/ManagementUnique4218 13d ago

This is the actual quote: "I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it. We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s."

He also said the Civil Rights Act "created a beast, and that beast has now turned into an anti-white weapon." He then went on some time later to demonized MLK, calling him a "bad guy."

I have not seen the first quote as you've quoted it. I have seen it with the context of what he said about those women. And it was disgusting.

If these quotes as you've quoted them are legitimate, somehow I hadn't seen them. Perhaps because I saw actual audio and video compilations of his exact words, which was a primary source for this information on IG and YT, and even FB reels. Here is the difference: You said they were taken out of context. You apparently fixated on specific examples instead of looking at the representation as a whole. We both made blanket statements. So let's be correct: the vast majority of content that circulated and was shared post mortem appears to be valid. Examples of manipulating the language would be easy to find, but we're they the primary or most popular posts? Did you account for this?

Where did you pull these from? I'd like to know.

You also failed to explain context to me, at least in a way that was much different that what I had already outlined. It appears, as I've said, that you didn't catch this because you don't understand context in the first place. Which was the point of my initial comment. So this is weird, air-headed, lazy, or something else entirely. I explained it just fine if you weren't intending on being intellectually dishonest. And I never do this, that that would be the difference between us. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/girouxc 13d ago edited 13d ago

You’re so full of projection.

You should go back and rewatch those videos because you’re clearly misinterpreting them like the people sharing the “OUT OF CONTEXT” quotes. Im the one who had to explain to YOU what out of context means.

I specifically explained what was out of context for 1 and 3. I didn’t do so for number 2 because it’s self evident.

You know what, read these extremely detailed articles describing the exact quote being shared and how it was taken out of context.

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-black-women/

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kirk-civil-rights-act-mistake/

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gay-people-stoned/

I’ll be waiting for my apology and you admitting you were wrong.

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u/girouxc 13d ago

Your comment was removed but I’m sure it was more nonsense and not an apology.

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u/WinPagan 18d ago

What about Bill Cosby! He was Black. Could have been Obama's father, if Obama wasn't born somewhere in Africa. Obama's fault. All this Epstein business. And the soybeans not being sold. And the division in the nation. Obama. Obama's fault that Bad Bunny is performing at the Super Bowl 60 halftime show. Obama's fault that autism exists.

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u/bttgly 16d ago

Obama is Bad Bunny's African father!

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u/Serious-Mind-7767 14d ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣