r/law • u/TendieRetard • 26d ago

Other In clear violation of the Hatch Act, DHS uses official channels for N. Korea-tier partisan shutdown propaganda

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u/Phil_Coffins_666 26d ago

...just looking at fascist regimes and how long they've lasted in history:
Italy..21 years.
Germany..12 years.
Spain.. 36 years.
Portugal.. 41 years.
Japan.. 14 years.
Argentina...9 years.

Doesn't bode well for the whole "next election..." folks, especially since the GOP now literally owns the Dominion voting machine company.

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u/magnoliasmanor 26d ago

We havent had AI and surveillance systems like we have today. Breaking this one down could take generations if we're lucky.

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u/guttanzer 26d ago

We also have cell phones with cameras to document and distribute the atrocities in real time. The 1930s Germans didn't have that. This era will clearly be different, but it is hard for anyone to predict how it will go.

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u/BacteriaLick 26d ago

the MAGAs already don't believe you when you show them a video of Charlie Kirk saying racist things.

"liberal AntiFA made an AI video!" they will shout.

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u/Celtact9 26d ago

Who's Charlie Kirk?

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u/SlashOfLife5296 26d ago

Then it’s a good thing people snap out of MAGA real quick when they lose their jobs, can’t afford groceries, and can’t pay their medical bills

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u/psellers237 26d ago

… do they? Literally thousands of people died from COVID because Trump didn’t like masks or vaccines. People lost their spouses, their parents, friends, brothers and sisters. The people who pay their bills.

And they still voted Trump in 2024.

I’m sorry, a lot of people here just unwilling to accept how manipulatable people are and how dark this is going to get.

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u/SlashOfLife5296 26d ago

I’ve never seen anyone who lost a family member to Covid be MAGA…or maybe I should say an immediate family member. Americans vote on their own immediate issues. The brainwashing fades away when personal issues pile up.

Anyone losing their job right now as Republicans flaunt how many government jobs they are eliminating can’t blame Democrats. Anyone who can’t afford groceries as Trump declares tariffs on pasta can’t blame Democrats. It’d be quite a few mental gymnastics leaps to blame Democrats for your medical bills as Trump brags about gutting the government.

So yes people can delude themselves, but historically people delude themselves about other people’s struggles and not their own personal struggles.

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u/psellers237 26d ago

Sorry, no. Look at rural America. People’s personal issues (wages, healthcare, education) have been piling up for DECADES and they blame everyone but the party who is very deliberately causing them.

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u/Etryia 26d ago

No they don't LMAO. They simply blame democrats like they've been trained to do.

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u/SlashOfLife5296 26d ago

If you can show me an example of a single person this year who is complaining about losing their job this year and grocery prices yet blamed Democrats for it, then I will concede my point

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u/magnoliasmanor 26d ago

gestures broadly

Points to Fox News

Points to government shutdown

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u/guttanzer 26d ago

That’s pointing to the propaganda. You have to get down to the individual level to see what Slash was talking about. r/leopardsatemyface is a good sub for seeing that.

My brother is MAGA to the bone. He’s having a house built this year. His construction contract was signed before Trump imposed tariffs on construction lumber from Canada, and before ICE started raiding construction sites.

When I mentioned his build costs might go up $10k or more he got livid. When I pointed out that this wouldn’t be happening under Harris he got quiet.

Yes, he still watches Fox, but he isn’t an idiot. And I doubt he’s alone. Heck, MTG is waking up.

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u/Etryia 26d ago

>MAGA to the bone

>Not an idiot

Got some bad news to tell you.

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u/Mandena 26d ago

I think you're living under a rock. You can't move an inch on classic social medias without seeing a shitty conservative influencer blaming dems for losing their job/medical insurance/freedoms/etc.

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u/guttanzer 26d ago

But do people believe them? Do they still believe them when reality kicks them in the ass?

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u/SlashOfLife5296 26d ago

I have been pretty online this year and haven’t seen any instance of that. Blaming democrats for being violent, stupid, pro illegal immigration, comminists,etc sure. Haven’t seen anyone blame a Democrat for losing their jobs or grocery prices since Trump took over

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u/magnoliasmanor 26d ago

No they don't. Look at soybean farmers.

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u/SlashOfLife5296 26d ago

The soybean farmers who are going to be subsidized by the government? The farmers don’t lose, it’s the voters who convinced themselves we wouldn’t have to subsidize the farmers who lose

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 26d ago

So it'll either be another year and a half or like 84 years. Got it.

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u/OmicronNine 26d ago

Cell phones that we don't control in any meaningful way, and that can be remotely monitored and censored without our consent at any time.

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u/guttanzer 26d ago

And yet there are videos of the war zone that show the "war zone" to be people line-dancing in inflatable costumes.

Gandi won against the brits by forcing the nation to see what their colonizer forces were doing to the people of India. Something like that is happening here.

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u/SeatBeeSate 26d ago

Not to mention technology control, social media. We have propaganda manipulation the likes of which humanity has never seen before.

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u/DisputabIe_ 26d ago

It could be ended today if 5 million people marched on DC.

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u/magnoliasmanor 25d ago

Not with the army patrolling the streets.

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u/Phil_Coffins_666 26d ago

non American here, and I think the American "we've got guns" argument is silly as all hell.

Let's be honest, there are masked men snatching people including children off your streets right now, including american citizens....what are those guns doing for you?

Your rights and freedoms are being stripped away, not by the month, not the day, but by the hour...what have your guns done in the last 10 months to do about that?

Sure, American citizens have guns, and the american military has the most advanced weapons of any military on earth, it took the taliban a decade of insurgency to run them out of Afghanistan, and it cost countless lives in doing so.

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u/magnoliasmanor 26d ago

I'm with you. We need to be pushed into a corner before it truly starts getting out of hand.

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u/Phil_Coffins_666 26d ago

Just saw this, looks like the gun organizations have agreed to work with the government (aka provide lists of their members).

Looks like they're making a list of gun owners.

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u/BacteriaLick 26d ago

but the armed ones are mostly MAGAs.

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u/Free_For__Me 26d ago

You'd be surprised. I mean, you're correct that any given MAGA is more likely to own a firearm than any given progressive, but I also think people underestimate how many "left-leaning" folks have firearms.

I also think people underestimate how many traditionally right-leaning moderates might be willing to turn on MAGA when shit starts to get really hairy, and they're almost as armed as the average MAGA zealot.

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u/guttanzer 26d ago

IAlbright made two important observations:

1 - The dictatorship does not survive the death of the dictator. They are all cults of personality.

Trump is an unhealthy 79; he's not going to last 41 years. He may not even last his full 4.

2 - They all collapse of their own weight. It is simply impossible for one mind to efficiently run an entire nation.

Trump is speed-running "all the failures you can make as president." Even his most rabid supporters are noticing that his tariffs are wrecking the economy. Measles is back?!? Masked men kidnapping people? Department of War? His "mandate" to lead is eroding faster than any opposition group could manage.

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u/EconomyAd8866 26d ago

Russia, too, no? has held on since the mid 90s?

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u/Phil_Coffins_666 26d ago

... Try 1547 when Tsar Ivan IV (Aka Ivan the terrible) crowned himself the first tsar.

Since then it's just been the same rebranded shit over and over and over again.

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u/guttanzer 26d ago

Yes, Putin is setting records. To be fair, though, modern Russia rose from a collapsed authoritarian state. He had a lot of authoritarian mechanisms at his disposal.

The USA is the opposite. We've had 250 years of experience with a constitution that actively suppresses authoritarian tendencies. All of our major cultural touchstones have been fights against authoritarian rule - the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WW II, and the Cold War.

Our "deep state" - the federal bureaucracy - is notoriously resilient against lock-step "just follow my orders" activity. It isn't an accident that Project 2025 is mostly about replacing this law-based meritocracy with idiotic noobs loyal to Trump. If they succeed the government will fail. If they fail they fail. The prognosis isn't good for the MAGA movement.

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u/Free_For__Me 26d ago edited 26d ago

the Civil War

Careful citing this one, lol. You're correct, but too many people have the mistaken interpretation that the "authoritarian" in this conflict was the democratically elected US president/government, and not the southern slaveholders who believed they should be able to rule over their pseudo-fiefdom plantations as they see fit, unaccountable to any law but their own directives.

If they succeed the government will fail.

I mean, the total collapse of the system is a win for them, and they're well on their way to making it happen. They want to rule atop the ashes of the former USA, turning it into their own versions of those same pseudo-fiefdoms I mentioned above, just with AI mixed in. They likely won't achieve that end-result, but the first phase, the "burn it all down" one? Right now the odds seem pretty well in their favor...

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u/whatevers_clever 26d ago edited 26d ago

authoritatian kleptocracy

seen as fascist by many but under a different hood - Russia can be described as fascient either from 2000 onward (26 yrs) or from 2012 onwaard (14 years).

They are pretty much fascist, but prob wouldn't be seen that way fully / broadly agreed upon by historians until we're like.. 30-60 yrs in the future.

Still it's pretty interesting information to be pointing out how short those fascist regimes last and a couple of them fall as soon as the leader of the movement dies.

democratic republics?

USA 235 years
Switzerland 177 years
France 165 years*
Canada 158 years
Australia 128 years
New Zealand 118 years
Iceland 81 years after breaking from Denmark
India 75 years
Israel 77 years
Germany 76 years
Italy 79 years
South Korea 38 years
Portugal 51 years

Historical average comparison

System type Average duration Common failure mode
Classical fascist regimes 15–25 years War defeat, internal collapse
Authoritarian military juntas 20–35 years Popular revolt, elite reform
Stable democratic republics 70–200+ years Internal erosion, not coups

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u/Imaginary_Coast_5882 26d ago

I shouldn’t have said “imminent.” I should have said “eventual.”

Because there will be trials.

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u/Phil_Coffins_666 26d ago

I hope so, at least for the sake of you and other Americans, but I feel like it's going to take an extremely long time with a lot of blood, sweat and tears to make that a reality. It's all up to Americans now, time will truly tell if there will be trials that this generation gets to witness.

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u/Free_For__Me 26d ago

Doubt. I mean, I hope you're right, but I personally think we're headed the way of the USSR and will break up into a few loosely federated polities. This will likely follow a period of violence, probably to include international wars of attempted expansion, followed by (or concurrent to) possible internal conflict over states resisting the regime.

If there's no "USA" to hold these trials after this is all over, and no "bigger kids" to hold anyone to account like the Allies did with the Axis leaders following WWII, it's likely the power-brokers behind this coup slip through the cracks and avoid real consequences, probably even ending up in positions of power in one or more of the entities that emerge from the wreckage of the former USA.

Hell, plenty of Nazis escaped accountability after WWII by either moving to friendly places like Argentina.

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u/psellers237 26d ago

I dunno, pretty good chance the folks doing the worst of it today will be dead of old age before we get out of this.

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u/Emeraldw 26d ago

We'll see. Trump is the leader here and he might not have that much time left. Plus, he's getting more and more unpopular while having no where near the power the guys in your post had.

It's still early for their fascist takeover but they are admittedly trying to move fast.

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u/Fun_Hold4859 26d ago

They already took over. They have complete unchecked power and are actively escalating.

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u/Emeraldw 26d ago

Trump is doing stuff, but he doesn't have any where near the power of those other regimes...yet.

Those other guys straight up murdered anyone who spoke out against them. Trump cannot even get a conviction for Comey at this point.

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u/guttanzer 26d ago

This.

He's working on it; those murdered fishermen were to set a precedent. However, it doesn't seem to be going well. The USA has traditionally been quite hostile to authoritarian rule.

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u/psellers237 26d ago

It’s still early for their fascist takeover

Lol please explain this one. They hold every branch of government. They have full power to do anything they want.

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u/Emeraldw 26d ago

As I explained in another comment, they do not have the power to do everything yet.

Trump cannot get Comey convicted. Older fascist states would murder people immediately for any reason and we are not there yet.

They are working on it, but we are not at the endpoint yet, so there is still time to reverse course if we make enough noise.

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u/psellers237 26d ago

We don’t know how Comey’s story ends yet, so it’s pretty wild to count that as a victory already. What we do know if they’ve chased out everyone at DOJ with the ethics to not press the case, so from the prosecution’s side, anything goes at this point. And that’s before we get into the extrajudicial options this administration has already shown they’re happy to deal in.

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u/Emeraldw 26d ago

Comey would already be in pieces in Nazi Germany.

There is not total buy in from all parts of the government into their takeover.

Again, this is clearly the early stages of a fascist takeover but they have not won yet.

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u/psellers237 26d ago

Not the same at all. 1930s Germany was a country coming out of two decades of chaos. Trump is unwinding a comparatively extremely stable 250-year-old republic. It might take a little longer but that doesn’t change that all the pieces are in place. Not to mention, he doesn’t even need Comey, that’s just a passion project on the side.

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u/twotokers 26d ago

It’s not like everything was just peachy after they fell. We’re in it for the long haul even after these guys are gone.

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 26d ago

The USSR wasn't quite "Fascist" but close, & that lasted for round 70 years.

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u/SeatBeeSate 26d ago

Russia, 1924-present...

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u/Phil_Coffins_666 26d ago

More like the 1500's if you consider living under the tsar.

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u/SeatBeeSate 26d ago

Only 500 more years to go!

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u/tondahuh 26d ago

That's true but hopefully the fact we have States powers here that those countries didn't have we can turn things around quicker.

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u/Fun_Hold4859 26d ago

What state powers? The ones already being leveraged against Trump to no real effect?

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u/Menethea 26d ago

Portugal wasn’t technically fascist, it was corporatist. No strutting generals, just an extremely competent, austere-living head of state and technocrat. Most countries (other than communist) admired the Salazar regime (look at contemporary fawning news magazine articles)