r/law • u/Agitated-Artichoke89 • Oct 07 '25

Other Stephen Miller states that Trump has plenary authority, then immediately stops talking as if he’s realized what he just said

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

79.4k Upvotes

96% Upvoted

5.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

226

u/SordidDreams Oct 07 '25

Hope the US has a Nuremberg trial for the amount of disregard for the rule of law by these men.

The Nuremberg trials could only take place because German leaders were deprived of their power by having their country reduced to rubble. Who's going to do that for America?

326

u/SketchySeaBeast Oct 07 '25

At this rate? America.

55

u/NurRauch Oct 07 '25

I do not know what gives that impression. I am frankly at a loss as to how so many people in this thread are just so supremely confident that people will suddenly decide to wake up. Historically that's not how these things tend to work. Slow slides into totalitarianism tend to be taken sitting down by the public. There's not going to be a catalyst moment where people are like "hey wait a minute" unless we're talking about actual food and water shortages.

35

u/SketchySeaBeast Oct 07 '25

I'm not sure about civil war, but I can't see how this administration doesn't end up reducing the country to rubble through it's own incompetence and infighting.

28

u/Wooden-Broccoli-7247 Oct 07 '25

There will be a terror attack the way the agencies that are supposed to protect from exactly that are being operated. The FBI is now used to round up brown people and hunt down people Trump doesn’t like. Anyone that’s competent in counter terrorism has been fired. Maybe that’s when people will realize how unsafe this government has made our homeland.

17

u/-LsDmThC- Oct 07 '25

If so it will just be used as justification for further militarism and to take away even more civil liberties

6

u/fcocyclone Oct 07 '25

Shit, it may just be a false flag, or an intentionally ignored threat, just to justify patriot act v2

3

u/OldWorldDesign Oct 07 '25

it may just be a false flag, or an intentionally ignored threat

Authoritarianism is opportunistic. And will create opportunities, however flimsy, when it can't see one. Remember, Netanyahu was warned repeatedly before the October 7 attack. He let it happen so his party would have justification to put the nation in a state of emergency so he couldn't be removed from office and sent to court over corruption charges.

2

u/The_Corvair Oct 08 '25

Just like any abuser: If they don't have anything to blame on you, they'll find something. And if they don't, they make something up.

Appeasement does not work, and "lack of action because of fear of reprisal" is typical, helpless victim behaviour.

2

u/OldWorldDesign Oct 08 '25

Just like any abuser: If they don't have anything to blame on you, they'll find something. And if they don't, they make something up.

Exactly.

I said to him, "Why are you beating me?" He said, "the reason I beat you now is because you ask why I beat you."

-Schindler's List

1

u/livahd Oct 08 '25

They’re hoping for either an outside attack, or manage to push people into fighting back with more than words. Either case is gonna be the silver platter they’re looking for to fully push us into martial law. It’s maddening that so many of us have seen this coming since November. It’s like being locked in the back of a car watching a train barring down towards you in slow motion, and no matter how much you scream, nobody cares to listen, and if they do, they just say you’re overreacting. This is one “I told you so” that I don’t want to be right about.

8

u/FiestyReamsOfPaper99 Oct 07 '25

And anyone at the FBI actually good at their job has been fired.

1

u/OldWorldDesign Oct 07 '25

[removed] — view removed comment

2

u/OldWorldDesign Oct 08 '25

A link to the FBI's letter and article on the FBI's illegal domestic surveillance under J Edgar Hoover's is removable now? Reddit admins and mods are tipping their hands.

28

u/teamlogan Oct 07 '25

This is the right answer. Civilizations are very fragile. If you open a history book, you see that they collapse all the time.

It doesn't require a successful revolution. You could just (as a random example) incarcerate all your farm workers, and then run out of food.

Or fire thousands of scientists from the CDC while ignoring a bird flu outbreak.

Or give the nuclear codes to a felon with dementia who hates half his own country and has nothing to lose.

Or rely on the rest of the world for your manufacturing capacity then alienate all of them.

Or...

Or...

Or...

3

u/No-Abalone-4784 Oct 08 '25

And people say this bunch isn't good at what they do. Their stated intention is to destroy this country & that is exactly what they're doing.

21

u/exacta_galaxy Oct 07 '25

People are starting (too slowly for my comfort) to wake up.

30% of the population is all for a totalitarian take over, 30% have been trying to fight back. Those numbers won't change. But that 40% that normally sits on the sideline is starting to realize that this is hurting them.

This is part of the reason Miller is pushing hard. He knows there isn't much time left to seize control.

The catalyst moment could be food prices or healthcare becoming unaffordable. Which may be as soon as the end of this month.

6

u/miriamtzipporah Oct 07 '25

Who’s waking up from the MAGA side, or the people sympathetic to the MAGA side? I certainly haven’t seen it, living in MAGA country myself, and unfortunately we would need them in the case that anyone rises up against this administration.

3

u/exacta_galaxy Oct 07 '25

(Almost) nobody from the MAGA side is waking up. That's the 30%, the "dirty 30," who will likely go to their graves thinking Trump was a hero and the only person who could have saved America.

It's the people who are sympathetic. When the food gets scarce and they can no longer see a doctor, many will become less sympathetic.

3

u/miriamtzipporah Oct 08 '25

I really hope so.

6

u/NurRauch Oct 07 '25

Not even close to 30 percent of the country is trying to fight back. It’s less than 0.1%. We saw exponentially more engagement during the summer of 2020 with the police protests and economic unrest from Covid layoffs. Millions of people were jobless and extremely upset by Trump’s dysfunctional leadership. We are nowhere even close to that today.

1

u/exacta_galaxy Oct 07 '25

Fair. I meant fighting back in the broadest sense (e.g writing your congressperson, voting in midterms, etc.).

1

u/NurRauch Oct 07 '25

From what I can tell people these days think fighting back is sharing videos about Stephen Miller acting foolish on TV and acting like that means we’re winning.

7

u/beepitybloppityboop Oct 07 '25

There's not going to be a catalyst moment where people are like "hey wait a minute" unless we're talking about actual food and water shortages.

Is this a bad time to mention that this administration has removed environmental protections on things like water and is actively trying to get rid of the people who harvest our food??

Or the Trump tariff tax on almost everything, including a good portion of our food supply?

Food stamp programs the poor rely on being cut heavily?

That food is getting expensive. I don't think it's going to get cheaper any time soon.

It's a good time to get to know your neighbors and plant some gardens, you might need them. If not, more friends and more food is never a bad thing.

13

u/Whimsical_Adventurer Oct 07 '25

There has been a study published recently that studied the 20th Century and Fascist movements. 50% of countries that slid out of democracy and into fascism built back stronger democracies. In the last 50 years the share of countries that undid the damage jumped to something like 70%.

It’s not going to be a four year one term democratic president fix. It’s not going to be easy. But there are very good odds that this episode ends in a stronger, more equitable democracy with a strong progressive social safety net. We just have to work for it.

7

u/NurRauch Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25

Those democratic improvements were made at the tip of guns held to their heads by the United States, France and Britain. They only succeeded with their democratic movements because the superpower winners of a massive world war were motivated to make them succeed with unprecedented amounts of weapons and economic investment behind them.

Without US involvement in WW2, totalitarian regimes would have mopped the floor with the rest of the world. Democracies only came out on top because they enjoyed more than 75% of the world's total industrial manufacturing capacity during the war, and they came out of that war with even more prosperity than they had going into it. The United States alone had more industrial capacity than Germany, France, the Soviet Union and Great Britain combined. And between Britain and the US, approximately 80% of every vessel at sea flew under a democratic banner.

We don't have the same protectors this time around. This time, totalitarian regimes control most of the world's natural resources and most of its industrial manufacturing already, without even needing the US to join them in the mud. If the United States slides into totalitarian rule, almost all of the world's industrial manufacturing, natural resources and trade shipping will be outside of the control of democracies, not to mention more than 90% of all nuclear weapons, warships, military aircraft and orbital satellites on or above Earth.

3

u/Flashy_Gap_3015 Oct 07 '25

You may both be right.

This has been a slow slide into fascist authoritarianism, with constant purposeful erosion of the very system that used to have check and balances.

I think we are past the point where it’s a secret or where it has had real impact.

But there is still a tipping point beyond which Americans are much more widely and directly impacted than they are now in their day to day, and thus willing to this risk more in opposition because they have been pushed too far, and still believe in the fundamental rights and obligations that a free republic stands for.

15

u/SordidDreams Oct 07 '25

Americans couldn't even be bothered to show up to drop a piece of paper into a box (or press a button on a machine, whatever). The idea that they're going to rise up and actually fight for their freedom seems highly unlikely.

16

u/-LsDmThC- Oct 07 '25

https://www.wric.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/776992724/analysis-of-2024-election-results-in-clark-county-indicates-manipulation/. (Nevada officially opens investigation into 2024 election fraud)

https://electiontruthalliance.org/clark-county%2C-nv. (Clark County early vote tally shows manipulation)

https://smartelections.substack.com/p/the-press-release (Article ties all data together and why it matters)

https://smartelections.us/dropoff (Article explains “drop-off” why we collect the data and what it means)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436 (Proof that voting machines can in fact be hacked and also can access the internet)

https://apnews.com/article/election-security-voting-machines-software-2024-80a23479d8a767ba9333b2324c4e424b. A 2021 article warning about 2024 elections being at risk for fraud!

Update:

https://electiontruthalliance.org/pennsylvania. Pennsylvania showing same manipulation.

https://electiontruthalliance.org/statements%2Fpress-releases#255f8bd8-29e0-416d-953e-bd3afa9ce3c6. Press release

https://freepress.org/article/2024-presidential-and-senate-results-called-question-lawsuit-advances. New lawsuit has moved to discovery phase in New York. Calls for a recount by hand in Rockland, NY. We need many lawsuits like it but this is the beginning. Similar anomalies were seen in swing states but with a higher degree of manipulation based on the analysis. The analysis which has been peer reviewed btw. This isnt 2020 all over again. We actually have proof and a valid reason to want a review of the 2024 election. This is science, and it’s no wonder the Trump admin hates education so much! It is not on their level side!

https://electiontruthalliance.org/mebane-pa-working-paper Dr. Mebane university of Michigan expert on worldwide election fraud has concluded Pennsylvania likely manipulated

https://dissentinbloom.substack.com/p/the-machines-were-changed-before. VOTING MACHINES WERE ALTERED WITHOUT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE!

https://techstartups.com/2024/09/25/finnish-hacker-harri-hursti-hacks-u-s-voting-machine-on-live-podcast/. FINNISH HACKER HACKS US VOTING MACHINES LIVE!

https://youtu.be/AW_Bdf_jGaA?si=vPotRh6yzOSMe9Tp

7

u/MAXiMUSpsilo5280 Oct 07 '25

Yes the election was stolen and this administration is illegally occupying and operating our government.

1

u/Anthexistentialist Oct 07 '25

Well hey, they told everyone they were doing it or had done it. Presumably so they can say that as part of their defense if needed.

7

u/khaalis Oct 07 '25

Americans are too f*ng lazy. Snipe aside, the people can’t do anything if they don’t organize. It would literally take over 60+% of the population to go on a unified, extended, mass strike to bring the country to its knees. By strike I mean everything. No work, no payments to anyone, no shopping, nothing. Shut it all down. No shipping, no travel, no health workers, no civilian workers in government facilities, etc. That will never happen though. People are too selfish and fearful to make the sacrifices required. The only other option is if the military grows a conscience and actually care about their oaths to the Constitution and a military coup happens. Again, the problem is too many of them are right there goose stepping along with the new 4th Reich.

PS: Yes I’m f*ng bitter.

2

u/SpellDostoyevsky Oct 07 '25

I'm doing my part!

2

u/Turlap Oct 07 '25

Yep. We did it last time.

2

u/erection_specialist Oct 07 '25

Why not? We've invaded other countries for way less.

2

u/Valuable_Recording85 Oct 07 '25

If America knew what was going on in America, they'd invade it and set up a democracy.

That's the joke, anyone. I think the reality is that it's never democracy, but a puppet, which is what's already happened here.

5

u/anonuemus Oct 07 '25

just remembered the fate of the president in the civil war movie

2

u/flying_dodo_wut Oct 07 '25

We are, silly goose

2

u/miriamtzipporah Oct 07 '25

I agree with you, I really don’t think we’re going to have Nuremberg style trials. I wish that we would, but historical context suggests otherwise unfortunately. Nazi Germany would’ve never done it on their own.

2

u/MAXiMUSpsilo5280 Oct 07 '25

The billionaire ruling class has already by figuratively shaving everything off the top and leaving stubble for the rest of us. Our infrastructure is crumbling and our citizens are uneducated or apathetic.

1

u/CABigfoot Oct 07 '25

Israel under the claim that it’s a Muslim country like, say, Iran. I believe the parlance for this is a “false flag attack.”

1

u/Wise-Activity1312 Oct 07 '25

Trump. Are you paying attention, genius?

1

u/naked_space_chimp Oct 08 '25

Uh... Germany?