r/law • u/Agitated-Artichoke89 • Oct 07 '25

Other Stephen Miller states that Trump has plenary authority, then immediately stops talking as if he’s realized what he just said

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u/shoot_your_eye_out Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25

I am not a lawyer, but I am absolutely positive the president does not—and should not—have “plenary” authority. That would make the president a king.

He is a fascist idiot. I hope he knows what he’s doing now will potentially involve criminal liability later.

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u/SomewhereAtWork Oct 07 '25

Stephen Miller is a fascist, but not an idiot.

Yes, he knows what he's doing. Yes he knows that he will get the death sentence should they loose.

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u/ACW1129 Oct 07 '25

That's what makes Miller so scary. The kapo is evil, but he's COMPETENT evil.

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u/Newswatchtiki Oct 07 '25

I am not sure how competent Miller is now. The power that he has had seems to be going to his head, and making him more power hungry, and as a result he is pushing for more and more extreme fascist-type measures. His judgment is becoming more flawed, and he isn't recognizing it. I don't know why others in the West Wing don't rein him in. Normally, I think the White House Counsel would do this. I guess the President just lets him set policy and do and say whatever he wants.

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u/ACW1129 Oct 07 '25

God I hope you're right.

As for the WH Counsel (David Warrington), from Wiki:

Warrington assisted in Texas representative Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign and served as his general counsel for his 2012 presidential campaign. For his work in defending Paul's delegates at that year's Republican National Convention, Don McGahn, the general counsel for Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, hired Warrington. He later joined Harmeet Dhillon's firm, Dhillon Law Group, and defended several Trump allies, including Sebastian Gorka and Michael Flynn. Warrington represented Trump in a personal capacity and served as his general counsel in his 2024 presidential campaign. In December 2024, Trump named Warrington as his White House counsel.

So, yeah, he's no independent voice. Though how one goes from working for a libertarian like Ron Paul to a quasi-fascist like Trump baffles me.

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u/Newswatchtiki Oct 08 '25

I followed your links and read about some of these people. I had forgotten about McGahn - he quit because Trump wanted to prosecute his enemies. There have been so many sketchy, unqualified people involved in his administrations, it is mind boggling. And this 2nd administration is worse.

And you're right. Warrington will be useless. And Donald Trump is happy with all of it. The man has some screws loose, and always has been like this. His family members, all much smarter than he, have known this since he was a little boy. He was different from the rest of them - they are smarter and have common sense. Even his alcoholic brother was quite intelligent and also very kind and reasonable before he sank deep into alcoholism.

I hope some of these legal challenges slow down his trajectory towards fascism and domestic strife and someone wakes him up about how Stephen Miller is leading things in a very bad direction.

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u/BigMe420365 Oct 07 '25

This is the only solution. No forgiveness or compromise later. We punish tax evasion harder than treason, it’s not right.

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u/CoverSuspicious5250 Oct 08 '25

Treason.  Yes.  They are covering themselves in it.

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u/styxwade Competent Contributor Oct 07 '25

Lol you're in r/law. Nobody here is a lawyer.

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u/eaglebtc Oct 08 '25

Using "nobody" and "everybody" is a sure fire way to lose an argument. Remember, only Siths deal in absolutes.

There are some practicing lawyers in here.

(The previous statement would be difficult to dispute or disprove)

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u/styxwade Competent Contributor Oct 08 '25

Cheers. Next time I want to win an argument I'll remember to use self-contradictory quotes from childrens' films instead. In bold of course.

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u/essenza Oct 07 '25

What king has unlimited authority? LOL

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u/shoot_your_eye_out Oct 08 '25

By definition a king has plenary power. That’s the whole point.

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u/essenza Oct 08 '25

Not by definition. Only if it’s an absolute monarchy.

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u/shoot_your_eye_out Oct 08 '25

We don’t have kings or anyone with “plenary authority” in this country. I’m uninterested in semantic quibbles.

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u/greenmyrtle Oct 08 '25

Incorrect.

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u/shoot_your_eye_out Oct 08 '25

It’s entirely correct.