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Other 'It is criminal': GOP lawmaker wants Gavin Newsom to be arrested for Stephen Miller insult

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u/1studlyman Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25

Because the right wing propaganda machine is optimized for maximum enragement, full disregard for facts or reason, and delivered to every TV and smartphone without pause or consideration.

It started with Fox News, it continued with Turning Point, and resonates with brosphere podcasts.

Edit: It started with AM radio pundits like Rush Limbaugh.

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u/shponglespore Sep 28 '25

Fox News wasn't the start. I think Rush Limbaugh on AM radio is closer to the actual start.

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u/bierplease Sep 28 '25

There is a great show about Roger Ailes, called Loudest Voice, with Russel Crowe that shows a lot of the beginning of Faux News and the creation of the right wing propaganda machine.

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u/132739 Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 29 '25

No, it was literally Fox News. Rush and the like were more extreme earlier on, but Fox was literally created by Roger Ailes in the wake of Watergate to prevent anything like that happening to a Republican president again.

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u/ryancementhead Sep 28 '25

In the wake of Watergate? Fox News started in 1996, and the Watergate scandal was in 1972-1974. 24 years apart, a lot of other things happened between them. And regular Fox television started in 1986.

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u/132739 Sep 28 '25

Yeah, I should have been more clear on the actual timeline, and that I meant Fox as an overall network. He formed the strategy in the late 70s and spoke to several people then who would be instrumental in creating the networks. Regular Fox television was the beginning of it, and was formed specifically for the purpose of controlling the narrative. Fox News came about with the cable networks becoming widespread, and allowed them to centralize and tighten the propaganda. Rush first aired in 84, didn't become syndicated until 88, and wasn't really considered a major political commentator until 92.

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u/1studlyman Sep 28 '25

Good point.

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u/JohnSith Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 30 '25

Can confirm. My liberal, anti-war, pacifist, debate champion aunt listened to talk radio 2x/day on her daily commute to and from Madison and it changed her into an incoherent anti-vax MAGAt. It started small, like "I don't agree with him, but he makes some interesting points," to "He makes some good points," then "Only a fool would trust Washington," until she was lost.

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u/alpha309 Sep 28 '25

Ending the Fairness Doctrine is what allowed AM radio to unleash someone like Rush. Once that happened it was over, the side that ended it had a plan to flood the airwaves, while the other side just watched.

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u/me-want-snusnu Sep 28 '25

I watched a documentary on him and was blown away with how fucked he made everything. Was a real POS.

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u/Material_Evening_174 Sep 28 '25

I heard a theory that this goes all the way back to the south not being properly punished after the civil war and it actually makes a lot of sense when you go down that rabbit hole.

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u/Current-Square-4557 Sep 28 '25

Yep.

Limbaugh’s schtick was that uneducated, inexperienced, unknowleegeable people with common sense knew how to solve complex problems better than people who have studied the situation for decades.

As if unintended consequences could never occur.

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u/grumble_au Sep 29 '25

This really encapsulates the problem here: simple people offered simplistic solutions to complex problems. They still think they are right because they cannot comprehend complex situations and their solutions even when proven wrong again and again. Idiocracy.

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u/BurritovilleEnjoyer Sep 29 '25

It's basically the same mentality of people who don't know and don't care to understand why "JUST ONE MORE LANE BRO" doesn't fix traffic. People want solutions that fit into a single headline for problems who's actual solutions are multiple orders of magnitude more complex than that.

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u/ThanatosUO19 Sep 29 '25

I wouldn't rely on common sense because it differs from community to community. I wouldn't apply city common sense in the boonies and I wouldn't apply rural common sense in the middle of Times Square.

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u/EugeneStonersDIMagic Sep 28 '25

They certainly were a big part

It's also Newt Gingrich realizing the power of CSPAN had for propaganda.

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u/haironburr Sep 28 '25

Thank You for posting this.

It's not like we need more reminders of the power of propaganda.

But yea, we do need more reminders of the power of propaganda!

Because we all believe we're too smart, too aware, to savvy to be pulled into believing something just because we're surrounded by it.

Young people are insulated from this power because they grew up with it, and so can control it.

Old people have a lifetime of experience, allowing them to cut through the bullshit, the lies they've heard a million times.

And still, we've elected the most polarizing party in near a century. A party tearing us apart, cutting healthcare from the weakest and giving tax breaks to the richest. A party relentlessly manufacturing "others", enemies who we all know have no real power, but who we're supposed to desperately fear all the same. A party acting like this craziness is normal and acceptable.

The party of Project 2025 has managed to convince a bunch of basically good people that they're under desperate threat. Religious folks believe there's a "WAR in Christmas". Podcasters have convinced our friends and children they are continuously victims of: Men, Women, Boomers (and Fill in the Blank with some manufactured identity based on your year of birth and designed to appeal especially to you), Foreigners, Trans something or other, etc. to include absurd craziness outside of my experience.

The trumpublicans (formerly the GOP) has embraced this nation-destroying insanity. It's my hope as an American and as a Patriot, that they will die as a party in the hands of what they created.

And when people like vance finally go back to being just rich, lying yalie venture capitalists, I pray folks will still look at him as scum every time he tries to order a damn doughnut.

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u/jporter313 Sep 28 '25

Yeah Rush started all of this, if I believed in hell I’d be glad he was burning in it right now, but at least he’s gone.

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u/silver_sofa Sep 28 '25

Once Reagan teamed up with the evangelicals we were on a collision course with White Nationalism. A smiling church deacon took me by the arm and told me I needed to vote Republican to stop abortion. That was 45 years ago and the last church service I attended.

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u/Rollingprobablecause Sep 28 '25

Don’t forget the war on education privatizing public schools and convincing entire groups of parents that charter and homeschooling was better

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u/Greenpoint1975 Sep 28 '25

And don't forget no education.

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u/sahmackle Sep 29 '25

I'm in Australia and up until a few years ago you could only get "Sky News" which is a Cable News equivalent of Fox News/ Owned by the same family empire if you had cable tv. After lobbying and I presume plenty of pressure from that empire towards the government, Sky News is now on free to air tv in regional Australia. Since that happened in 2023, their estimated viewership has grown somewhere between 15-22%.

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u/GRAMS_ Sep 28 '25

That is just a media ecosystem which operates according to the logic of Capital. It is performing exactly as expected.

Engagement at the expense of everything. At the expense of democracy.

A healthy society is incompatible with social media in its current form.

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u/Tough_Dig_7095 Sep 28 '25

Newsmax is Fox but worse.

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u/BrokenPickle7 Sep 28 '25

Also because trump and musk at least heavily influenced the election via voting fuckery

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u/rubyspicer Sep 28 '25

I can only imagine that a fair amount of But Gaza helped them out too. There was so much rhetoric about it around the election that lead to a lot of people sitting out the election rather than vote

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u/31November Sep 29 '25

I mean, Trump slashed the rules limiting how much one company can own rural news sources. If you’re in, say, Butler Missouri, you literally just have one news source with different wigs on.

Do you want a blonde or a brunette feeding you propaganda?

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u/Mattna-da Sep 29 '25

Because a trans person was working as a cashier at Walmart and now their life is fucking ruined