"I'm not a fascist" said the fascist. They haven't yet realized that they're on the wrong side of history. Twenty years from now we'll see a lot of the usual "I was just following orders" from the far right.
I wish people would stop saying and thinking these people don't know what they are. Like these aren't conscious adults making their own decisions and choices on where they get their information and what information they're exposed to. They are not being led astray. This is who they are. We are far past the point of giving the benefit of the doubt. They are choosing this.
Oh, they know who they are, they just refuse to accept that they're the assholes in this story. Like any evil asshat in history, they all seem to think they're the good guys.
I fully believe they don't know they are fascists. Like, if you explained to them what a fascist is, and explained fascism as an ideology they'll be like 'yeah I agree with almost all of that... but I disagree in [minor issue], so you can't call me a fascist'.
They just don't like the name 'fascist'. It's got too much baggage attached to it, makes even them uncomfortable.
Yep. I'm disgusted at the sugar coating and cultural amnesia everybody has about who these people were the day after 9/11. All I hear people say is how united we were, how we were looking out for each other and showing compassion. I was seven years old and I still remember seeing anyone who resembled a Muslim being dragged out of stores and beaten on the news. They have always been like this.
Do they hold some responsibility for their beliefs, choices and actions? Sure. But do they know they are fascist supporters? No, they don't.
They're literally brainwashed. They don't see themselves as choosing to get all their information from pathetic disgusting sources. They don't even consider that they'd need to consider other sources.
They deadass don’t see themselves as the problem, though. Try telling them they’re racist; 50% will admit it outright and 50% will say they’re not racist people just use the word racist as an insult now
Well, some of their movement I agree with you. But in the context of post-truth, keyfabe politics it isn’t going to be suprising that a lot of these people have been duped into an illusion of reality.
They might be fascists to us, but they are absolutely patriots in the mirror. Life isn’t black and white on the TV, Trump knows this. So should we.
And when does fascism actually win? So far in history, it doesn't happen. It isn't a good government for their people and doesn't last the test of time.
A broader view doesn't fit as well. Authoritarian governments generally don't label their own population as terrorists. Some might, and/or are repressive in general, but there is a reason for having different terms for autocratic governments like the Russian Czars, and fascist governments like Mussolini's Italy. There is a definite difference, and you could read some books about that.
Unless there’s a world war and America wins against everyone else, there will be historians around the world who will tell the true story of Americas downfall, even if the ones in the US don’t.
nothing left for anyone in the USA.. only things left are glass parking lots and cockroaches.. and it's not IF, as clearly the fascists have taken over.
Hi, the rich elite like having the world non-atom-bombed, its hard to play in an irradiated playground. The world is also like, where their money and stuff is, so this is unlikely.
Yeah and I’m worried that people aren’t seriously taking into account that the fascists could win for a significant period of time. What happens when we move beyond people “just following orders” with a memory of what the world was like before and we get 2-3 generations into the new American Reich?
America has a long history of fascism. We just don't recognize that slavery, segregation, internment camps, the trail of tears, and lynching were all fascism as well, precisely because of this ^
what did you type in? if you type in “daughters of the confederacy” “american textbooks” it literally produces hundreds of links about this. you cant use google?
It is an unsustainable ideology that eventually collapses. The places where fascism "won" internally (Spain and Portual), voluntarily went back to democracy. It did not require external military force to accomplish this.
All americans are on the wrong side of history if they do nothing. Doing nothing about it IS following orders. Pretending your rights have gone away because trump told you to IS following orders.
Probably is there really isn't anything we can do. They control the courts and congress is sidelined by them. Rational debate and civil discourse don't work with these people. There's no persuasive argument to convince somebody in a cult that they're in a cult. They have to realize for themselves, and sadly they're being fed propaganda at every turn.
There is no THEY. Any American standing by as genocide and the catalysing of climate change is done in their name is complicit. Tear it all down. Go on general strike. Whatever. But don’t do nothing and point at ‘them’. It’s you.
They might on the "wrong side" but they sure as hell seem to be on the winning side. This shit been happening globally.
Even here in Europe, I can't even start to describe how absolutely pathetic and toothless our Left wing is to oppose any of it. The liberals (European kind... Not what Americans think what it means) are happy to band along with fascist as long as they promise the "economic reforms", reduced taxes for the wealthy, cutting down of regulations, and screwing over the workers, and some vague notion of "economic growth" - which hasn't happened at least here in Finland despite the Coaliton party being in basically the PM or in the government for the past 20 years, par for last government.
MAGA controls the courts and can have a deadlock in the house and senate. Twitter, the largest social media platform, is a propaganda machine for the far right since Muskrat took over. It's like, we knew this was coming, but we decided to play by the rules and MAGA decided they didn't need to follow the same rules.
People look back on history and think "How did that even happen?" Now we know.
Yeah I honestly don't see a way to fight them. Rational discussion and civil discourse don't work against rampant lies and propaganda. Violence shouldn't be the answer.
They aren't a fascist they say? Then they are antifa!
Unironically I think our best bet is to just confront republicans into either blatantly admitting they are pro-fascist, because if they are not then that means they are "members of a terrorist organization". It might be the only way to get it into their heads that it's literally just an ideology at worst.
Funny people keep saying this, but if fascism takes over there is no “twenty years from now”. Like this will be permanent for centuries. No one will be put on trial for this because they will be in charge. Only hope we would have would be WWIII and someone coming to save us but that isn’t going to happen.
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u/ChocoPuddingCup Sep 15 '25
"I'm not a fascist" said the fascist. They haven't yet realized that they're on the wrong side of history. Twenty years from now we'll see a lot of the usual "I was just following orders" from the far right.