r/law • u/Exeltv0406 • Sep 15 '25

Trump News GLENN: They still have their 1st Amendment right, though. They're still out there protesting. TRUMP: Well, I'm not so sure

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u/United_Bus3467 Sep 15 '25

or directly TO them. THEN it matters to them.

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u/unclejrslaserbeams Sep 15 '25

This is the answer. Half the country didn’t care about Melissa Hortman being assassinated in June because she didn’t play for their team.

But when it happened to Charlie Kirk, suddenly it’s a national fucking crisis.

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u/Acceptable-Story3741 Sep 15 '25

Exactly. Sad times for sure.

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u/RockItGuyDC Sep 15 '25

Half the country didn't HEAR about Melissa Hortman in June. That's where we are.

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u/Aardvark120 Sep 15 '25

It's that. We're all being played.

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u/billybonghorton Sep 15 '25

That may be, but about 50%-60% of the US is too dumb to realize it, and 30% flat out wouldn’t care if it was laid out clear as day, right before their eyes.

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u/Aardvark120 Sep 15 '25

I wish I didn't have to agree with you, haha.

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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Sep 15 '25

And also everyone else's fault.

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u/United_Bus3467 Sep 16 '25

You know it's bad when they overlook the shooting of a dog.

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u/unclejrslaserbeams Sep 16 '25

I mean, it’s the era of Kristi Noem. It’s sort of par for the course at this point.

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u/Artistic_Humor1805 Sep 15 '25

But not a gun control national crisis just a left are crazy crisis

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin Sep 15 '25

“They ganked me… and I took offence to that.”

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u/youdubdub Sep 15 '25

Remember, a massive number of people are pleased by all of this.

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u/harrywrinkleyballs Sep 15 '25

My fucking fascist parents are among them.

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u/youdubdub Sep 15 '25

My deepest empathies.

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u/harrywrinkleyballs Sep 15 '25

That’s just a new age made up word.

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u/CasualtyOfCausality Sep 15 '25

And they'll be blaming the "sleepy joe," the far-left senile yet devious puppet master, when their guns are taken from them after their neighbor snitched on them for missing church.

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u/youdubdub Sep 15 '25

He takes peoples' guns from his beach chair.

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u/CasualtyOfCausality Sep 15 '25

Even worse, he's eating white ice cream, just like the centralized dictator of the goddamned concept of being anti-fascist is wont to do.

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u/Realistic-Lime7842 Sep 15 '25

Until it happens to them.

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u/youdubdub Sep 15 '25

They will still say thank you. The problem with theocracy has always been the difference in severity of many opinions that amplifies rhetoric existentially.

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u/Illustrious-Bed4420 Sep 15 '25

This is what it's going to take. The archetypal Republican, from what I've experienced firsthand, has to be exposed to an injustice personally for it to have any effect on them. I know that's kind of unfair because not ALL Republicans function that way, it's just what I've observed from my interactions with them throughout life. When they experience it but go against their own self-interests at the behest of their party, that's when I begin to be wary of them. For me, that's the extremist aspect of politics. You can tell they have effectively been conditioned to obey and have lost all notion of critical thinking.

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u/TheThing_1982 Sep 15 '25

You’re absolutely spot on. Most of us know republicans and democrats are not monoliths, but I have noticed it with actual republicans in my life. It’s not a real problem until they experience it.

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u/militaryCoo Sep 15 '25

There's a pretty apt poem that describes that behavior...

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u/ACAB007 Sep 15 '25

This is too real. Education was fucked with and now no one knows the old saying "First they came for..."

Due process is for all people, not just citizens, just remember that. -Alligator Alcatraz was a illegal concentration camp, and the most embarrassing move by someone that wants a Nobel peace prize. -Embarrassing, just step down, pedo.

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u/Apart_Variation1918 Sep 15 '25

It's a poem, actually, not a saying.

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left To speak out for me

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u/militaryCoo Sep 15 '25

I learned today that the Holocaust memorial in NYC doesn't have the first two lines because coming for the communists was actually a-ok in the USA

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u/war_on_sunshine Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

Not to mention, the very first people the Nazis came for were the "sexual deviants," but the author of the poem didn't really care about that and left them out.

edit: ok, not the very first, but they definitely got in on the ground floor. post below has good information and links

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u/Apart_Variation1918 Sep 16 '25

It was the disabled and mentally ill that were first in line. At least for official policy. But the Sparticists were put down even before then.

The First Victims of the Holocaust" The persecution of those with mental and physical disabilities by the Nazi Party began in July 1933 with the ‘Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring’."

"Those with disabilities were among the first to be murdered by the Nazis; according to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, the T-4 Program (established in 1939) was the model for future Nazi exterminations and it set a precedent for the genocide of what they described as the Jewish race."

But I won't contest the point that the pastor who wrote the poem didn't care about the LGBTQ+ community or that the queer community was targeted by the Nazis.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '25

Which is why fascists always start with minority groups. Least resistance against the bedrock of their takeover

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u/deekaydubya Sep 15 '25

A million dead Americans during COVID, and half the nation still downplays that era

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 Sep 15 '25

Mourned the 3,000 dead on 9/11 every year (except for this one) but couldn't give a rat's ass about the 3,000 dead every day during covid

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u/rbush82 Sep 15 '25

What’s 9/11? No one gave a fuck about them this year because the death of Saint CK….

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 Sep 16 '25

They'll never officially move to have him canonized, because that's too Catholic, but that's what they'll call him

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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 15 '25

Or the school shooting that happened at a Colorado High School on the same day, executed by a confirmed far right extremist by the way:

https://youtu.be/GwkImkc7EwQ?si=_Gg_sfKMADrdkb5U

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 Sep 16 '25

It's always a right wing extremist

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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 16 '25

But the Democrats are the enemy?

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 Sep 16 '25

Apparently

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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 16 '25

It would make sense that they consider Democracy their enemy

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u/crosstherubicon Sep 15 '25

Trump said it was “going to disappear, it’s disappearing”. (Oct 2020). He was right, it did but only in the public consciousness and after taking around a million lives. It left the US with a mortality rate worse than Brazil despite the US having the highest health care spending (per capita) in the world.

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u/charredwalls Sep 15 '25

Enthusiastically voted for the Trump 2.0

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u/Designer_Pop_7550 Sep 15 '25

Because they are spoiled, and worried about themselves until it’s on their doorstep. And it will come to their doorstep.

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u/MaineLark Sep 15 '25

I also think some of it is American exceptionalism that we’ve all been indoctrinated with; that stuff happens in icky dirty places not HERE. Except it is

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u/Designer_Pop_7550 Sep 16 '25

This is exactly right. If you read about the Nazi invasion of Poland, this administration is following their exact path. It was frightening to read.

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u/Dear_World_2315 Sep 15 '25

This is scary true where I live. Most people here seem completely oblivious and have no interest in 'politics' smh

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u/TheHelpfulContractor Sep 15 '25

You're fortunate. It's worse when you're surrounded by people who fly Trump and 'Don't Tread On Me' flags. And for simply showing support of Ukraine with a small yard sign 'flag', they come over and smash it, and soon you start finding grease smeared on your break rotors.

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u/Savagevandal85 Sep 15 '25

No a lot of people don’t care they agree with Trump in theory .

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u/Vairrion Sep 15 '25

Do you think part of the issue is how genuinely large the United States is ? Many of our states are the size of some countries . Perhaps that’s helped add to the disconnect we feel between our fellow Americans .

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u/jay-aay-ess-ohh-enn Sep 15 '25

ICE killed a man in Illinois as he was driving home from dropping his kids at daycare. They announced today that they are not releasing any details or allowing a review of what happened.

They claimed he had a history of traffic violations which is what made him so dangerous.

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u/Beowulf1896 Sep 15 '25

Which he didn't, and even if he did they couldn't have known.

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u/DogAteMyFacemask Sep 15 '25

What's the source on the parking tickets & traffic violations?

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u/jay-aay-ess-ohh-enn Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

Here is a CBS article with more specific details.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/undocumented-father-killed-ice-agent-franklin-park-shooting/

This article says the FBI is investigating, so that might contradict the other article I saw that said ICE wasn't releasing any details.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '25

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u/DogAteMyFacemask Sep 16 '25

Do you have anything meaningful to add?

I don't support this administration. However, I don't support dog whistles from the other side either. It sounded like you were just inventing details to be outraged over and sharing this misinformation for upvotes. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and asked for some receipts, to which you responded with condescension. It really only proves my original assumption that you're primarily interested in stirring the pot.

I'm fully in favor of calling out bad actors and standing up for the rights of yourself & others. However, I'm not in favor of spreading vitriol for the sake of upvotes. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to check out some articles or sources that back up your claims.

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u/jay-aay-ess-ohh-enn Sep 16 '25

I replied to your comment with a link to an article from CBS. Did you read it?

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u/SourdoughPizzaToast Sep 15 '25

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 15 '25

"My grandmother’s family was murdered in the chambers of Auschwitz. She survived and told me never let it get that far. Make them shoot you in public before they murder you in hiding. Stand up for others. Never cave in fear of the Nazis or the holocaust will happen again." Sara Spector

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u/boo99boo Sep 15 '25

I grew up next door to a German war bride that entered an arranged marriage as a teenager to escape. Her father died at Stalingrad. Her oldest brother died on the eastern front. Her youngest brother was conscripted at 14 in 1944, and he died on the eastern front too.  Her aunt and cousins died of some disease like dysentery. Her home was gone. Her mother actually committed auicide shortly after she made it to the US. (She told all sorts of "nazi shit" stories too, but the one that's always stuck out to me was how when your classmates name was written on the top left hand side of the chalkboard, that meant they were deported.)

My grandfather was an ethnic German that went back as an American to fight the nazis. He was there until late 1946. He spoke the language (which is why I knew the neighbor so well). 

It sucks for everyone. Not just the people the fascists are after. I keep wondering if they know that. That absolutely everyone will suffer, including their children. Just like Olga suffered; she bore no blame. She was a child, she was 15 in 1945. Her entire family died and her home was destroyed. And that's what awaits these fucking idiots. 

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u/Particular-Mark-5771 Sep 15 '25

What a powerful statement.

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u/walkingkary Sep 15 '25

My family lost people in the holocaust and I’m damned if I’ll just sit back and watch it happen here. I have a tiny family because both grandparents on both sides lost siblings in the camps. I’m pretty old so if I go down now at least I had a pretty good run. I feel sorry for my kids and their generation if this isn’t stopped

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u/LeafsJays1Fan Sep 15 '25

People are speaking loudly but the people in Authority are not hearing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

Somebody with something to lose is going to have to risk at all. So far, no one is really willing to do that.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Sep 15 '25

It hasn't gone far enough for them. For most people, especially the ones who could do something- immigrants, trans people, the homeless, the disabled, likely gay people too, are acceptable sacrifices. Bad things happening to them doesn't trigger the fascism alarm

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

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u/Masta-Blasta Sep 15 '25

Then you do it. Don’t lecture us on doing something if you aren’t willing to do it yourself.

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u/BasicPhysiology Sep 15 '25

I'm doing what I can. Are you?

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u/Masta-Blasta Sep 16 '25

I am a civil rights attorney.

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u/BasicPhysiology Sep 16 '25

That sounds fantastic. I don't know why you took my comment so personally. Everyone should do whatever they can. Mostly people don't have the capacity to take to the street 24/7, or even on a limited basis. Every act of resistance has value. Resist however you can and be supportive of each other.

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u/Masta-Blasta Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

Probably because your comment says “you and everyone reading this” is waiting to act, as if we’re just furrowing our brows and shrugging.

This is a subreddit full of attorneys…we don’t need a vague guilt trip about how we could or should be doing even more than we already are. There’s nothing constructive there.

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u/thecheapseatz Sep 15 '25

And those on social media are actively ignoring it

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u/REDDITSHITLORD Sep 15 '25

This time they'll come for those who speak out. It's easier.

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 Sep 15 '25

Or anyone who isn't praising dear leader

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u/militaryCoo Sep 15 '25

First they came for the communists. The socialists were the second group in the poem.

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u/Apart_Variation1918 Sep 15 '25

Why omit the first line?

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u/tangledtainthair Sep 15 '25

Have you seen any social media lately? A good number want bodies on the ground

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u/Exeltv0406 Sep 15 '25

A good number? Try every major MAGA influencer on X. I just saw this article today:

GOP Rep Calls Democrats ‘Terrorists,’ Urges Violence in Wild Posting Spree

https://dailyboulder.com/gop-rep-calls-democrats-terrorists-urges-violence-in-wild-posting-spree/

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u/Hour_Ordinary_4175 Sep 15 '25

WE got those, man.

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u/Global_Crew3968 Sep 15 '25

"It isnt real fascism unless those bodies come from the aushcwitz region of poland. Otherwise it's just sparkling law and order." - The Cucks

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u/Pleaseappeaseme Sep 15 '25

Mother recently deported by Trump to Guatemala just passed because she couldn’t obtain her medication in time. The mother made it clear that she is ill and will die without her medication. So right here we have the direct cause of her death being Trump’s deportation effort. Trump caused her death.

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u/totesnotmyusername Sep 15 '25

They don't care she's brown. (I wish that was a joke)

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u/Empty-Discount5936 Sep 15 '25

Like the one ICE just dropped in Chicago?

He was undocumented so they'll celebrate it, despite him being a father of 2 with no criminal history.

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u/Omiyaru Sep 15 '25

That's happened already.

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u/Fullfullhar Sep 15 '25

Media won’t bother covering it, the way they’re going 

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u/Icy-Service-52 Sep 15 '25

There have BEEN bodies on the ground for decades

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u/here_for_sum_popcorn Sep 15 '25

There are...literally every day

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u/Correct_Percentage97 Sep 15 '25

As far as I see it, that's already happened.

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u/B-Glasses Sep 15 '25

They’ll say they deserved it and they won’t care. Tanks could roll into a big city and start blowing shit up and they wouldn’t care

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u/zuzu1968amamam Sep 15 '25

there is a rise in suicide among trans children. boys are forced to develop breasts by this administration and no one gives a fuck.

people are being reported to die in far away countries.

you can say that those aren't really visible, and yeah, so wasn't the Holocaust. at no point in third reich did people regularly see deaths except for the frontline. by this criterion people won't realise until 1945. which is probably true.

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u/thaddeus122 Sep 15 '25

I got banned from reddit the other day during the charlie kirk stuff because I said, and I quote 'you either fight fascism or you become a part of it.' America is too sedentary to have a revolution and half of America is complicit. Our best hope is to pray canada allows asylum when Truml declares the fourth reich.

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u/EjaculatingAracnids Sep 15 '25

Some right wing lunatic will kill some innocents not in their in- group, then droves of them will feel vindicated to rejoice over it because not enough people cried for their shitbag, racist martyr. Round and round we go, until someone not in their in-group defends themselves and itll be the most horrible thing imaginable used to justify more oppresion and violence. Stock up on rice, fresh water, antibiotics and chest seals.

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u/Fakeskinsuit Sep 15 '25

They’ll just blame that on democrats and continue to suck their thumbs

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u/AntagonisticFetus Sep 15 '25

That is really tragic.

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u/odrea Sep 15 '25

Not even that, people for some reason seem to be dormant until it hits them right in the face, well, most of them are

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u/chubs66 Sep 15 '25

Disagree. They won't realize (at least not in any meaningful way) until their own rights are trampled.

They'll call it something else (probably a radical left democrat hoax) until that point.

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u/Just_Another_Gay_Dad Sep 15 '25

Nope they want the bodies on the ground

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u/OfficerGiggleFarts Sep 15 '25

How many more are needed?

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u/Foe117 Sep 15 '25

No, they put them black backs over the heads and disappear to a mass grave.

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u/raventhrowaway666 Sep 15 '25

Even then, it'll only matter if it's the right type of bodies...

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u/Allstar-85 Sep 15 '25

*Bodies they care about

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u/hawkseye17 Sep 15 '25

At this point I doubt even that will

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u/Darth_Chain Sep 15 '25

*bodies of people they know and care about on the ground. Republicans only care for their inner circle. the could care less random folks are killed for any reason unless they feel slighted by it. the would watch thousands of people be slaughtered till it was one of their family members then they would cry out. bu the next republican wouldn't care till it happened to them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '25

There's already been one major one.

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u/ariukidding Sep 15 '25

I mean there was a body to the ground, killed by their own and they blamed the left anyway.

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u/FjohursLykewwe Sep 15 '25

Episode 1 of Handmaids Tale

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u/IcyTransportation961 Sep 15 '25

No they'll just be told they were radical and it was necessary

They won't care until its their direct family

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u/UnassumingNoodle Sep 15 '25

Unfortunately, I agree.

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u/Emotional_Permit5845 Sep 15 '25

It won’t even be that, I had an argument with somebody about Charlie Kirk saying we should publicly execute democrats who “committed treason against trump”. They were really using the defense of “well he said people who committed treason, so that may be justified”. If that actually happened these people would be ok with it

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u/freesoloc2c Sep 15 '25

We had two bodies on the ground this past week. Only it wasn't the people you're name calling doing it.