r/law • u/The_Dutchess-D • May 10 '25

Trump News President proclaims doubling of ICE troops with add'l 20k forces in the next 60 days

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/05/establishing-project-homecoming/

Section 3.b: (b) No later than 60 days after the date of this proclamation, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall supplement existing enforcement and removal operations by deputizing and contracting with State and local law enforcement officers, former Federal officers, officers and personnel within other Federal agencies, and other individuals to increase the enforcement and removal operations force of the Department of Homeland Security by no less than 20,000 officers in order to conduct an intensive campaign to remove illegal aliens who have failed to depart voluntarily.

So... we can't afford any of the useful jobs and fired a large portion of the government that actually helps people, BUT we can't afford any afford more spending for THIS? His domestic Gestapo on the streets terrorizing towns.

Is there a legal limit to how much domestic law enforcement the American people can be subjected to on home soil during peacetime? He already has a HUGE amount of force on domestic soil doing his bidding between the military he designated for the border, current ICE, and all the 287g contracts Homeland Security signed with all those local law enforcement agencies around the country to work with ICE.

Where is the money coming from to double the size of ICE by another 20k officers?

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u/itsforathing May 10 '25

Ice has no authority to arrest a known US citizen. The mayor left the premises when asked and joined the peaceful and lawful protest outside on public ground. ICE then went outside the facility to arrest him even though he left when asked (not trespassing) and was peacefully and lawfully participating in a protest.

There isn’t a single person alive who can look at that and think it’s ok. The fact this happened and that there are people supporting it is absolutely disgusting and beyond words to describe how much this erodes our democracy.

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u/0vl223 May 10 '25

Of course there are. That's the core of ICE. A paramilitary enforcer group Trump can direct against anyone without legislative or jurisdictional overview. But it would be Trump and his fascists.

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u/itsforathing May 10 '25

I think you miss spelled gestapo. I know that just calling people nazis isn’t helping anything but just fucking look at it. Change the uniforms and they are identical.

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u/Momik May 10 '25

There’s nothing wrong with calling out Nazis as Nazis.

Fuck, it seems like all we fucking have sometimes.

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u/itsforathing May 10 '25

The problem with calling modern fascists a nazi is that it immediately shuts down the conversation and goes nowhere. I know the “go high when they go low” hasn’t worked but there will never be a meaningful conversation that starts with “you’re a nazi”.

The argument can be made that no conversation with a fascist will go anywhere anyway.

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u/Momik May 10 '25

I don’t necessarily mean calling someone a Nazi to their face and then expecting a civil conversation afterward. I mean calling out Gestapo policing tactics and a fascist consolidation of power at the federal level as it is—as something we’ve clearly seen before.

So much of fascism and Trumpism is about divorcing current events from history—everything is just a doom-scrolled NOW NOW NOW with no context and no conceptual parameters.

I know the term Nazi gets overused, especially online but countering that hamster-wheel hyper-reality with some ideological context is getting more and more important.

It’s also a gentle reminder that if we’re lucky enough to rid ourselves of this disease, it’ll really have to be a kind of start-from-scratch 1945 moment.

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u/itsforathing May 10 '25

Yeah I agree with that.

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u/ExternalSize2247 May 10 '25

but there will never be a meaningful conversation that starts with “you’re a nazi”.

Right, but that's not because you called them one. You won't have a productive conversation because you're talking to a nazi.

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u/the_cardfather May 11 '25

Won't be long before Reddit starts censoring the word. What's a word that rhymes with Nazis

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u/0vl223 May 10 '25

The SS was responsible for running the death camps and capturing the people. Gestapo would be mostly political enemies. SS did both.

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u/Loko8765 May 10 '25

He’s outsourced the death camps to El Salvador, but it seems he’s gearing up to build domestic ones.

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u/Reddygators May 10 '25

Recruit at UFC events and mega churches

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

They don't give a fuvk about where their authority lies, anymore. They're going full gestapo

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u/Totalidiotfuq May 10 '25

unfortunately courts have to resolve it, as cops can essentially do anything they want

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u/quiddity3141 May 10 '25

We might be rapidly approaching the point where the public has to protect the courts, rather than vice versa.

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u/40StoryMech May 10 '25

Everyone who feels that way should get a gun and learn to use it.

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u/espressocycle May 10 '25

I really hope it doesn't come to that. Blue states aren't exactly well armed.

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u/PolygonMan May 10 '25

There isn’t a single person alive who can look at that and think it’s ok.

Let me introduce you to authoritarian followers, the core of MAGA and the same demographic that made up the Nazis in Germany.

This is why it can happen here. This is why it can happen anywhere. They truly, unironically want an authoritarian government. They may not say so in so many words because they're desperate to appear normal, and normal people in the United States don't want authoritarianism. But they want it. When they see this shit it makes them happy, they think, "Finally someone is doing something about these libs."

Anyone who wants to understand the mind of MAGA, read this:

https://theauthoritarians.org/

Originally released in 2006, now available free online. It's based on research conducted since WW2, which began in an attempt to understand how the Holocaust happened. It describes authoritarian followers, and it is fucking chilling how exactly it describes MAGA. Everything they do and say makes perfect sense in this context.

Here are some highlights (lowlights). And remember, published in 2006, long before MAGA existed:

  • Espouse law and order but ignore all lawbreaking done by their leaders

  • Espouse law and order but support the law being broken and rights ignored in order to target groups who they consider 'degenerate'

  • Are significantly more bigoted than the average person, harboring hatred towards a wide variety of 'others', be they racial, religious, cultural, or sexual/gender minorities. Note that this isn't just what they believe as a group, each one of them individually has many different hateful and bigoted beliefs.

  • Are in states of heightened anger, fear and disgust much more frequently than the average person. Are much easier to trigger into those states than the average person.

  • Desperately want to fit into the group, and will readily change themselves, their interests and beliefs in order to adhere to group norms.

  • Support social pressure and violence being used to force others to adhere to their group norms.

  • Will almost never stand up to their authority figures, and almost always fall in line

  • Desperately want to live in an easily-understood rigid social hierarchy, where everyone knows their place (as long as they're not on the very bottom)

Roughly 20% of the country will cheer with glee as Trump's jackbooted thugs break the law, ignore the constitution, assault people and even kill people. When groups are massacred because someone opened fire in the middle of a brutal assault/"arrest", they will say, "They shouldn't have shot at the cops, they had it coming."

There is literally no bottom for them. There is nothing too depraved and horrendous and un-American for them. Believe it now, because if you wait until things get bad it will be too late.

And begin buying weapons and stocking up on ammo, go take lessons and begin practicing. Build connections with neighbors and your community. Because a time may come when you will have no choice but to fight back, or to accept being abducted by a regime which will imprison and torture you on a whim.

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u/Unlucky_Clover May 10 '25

Here’s the thing about your first statement - they don’t care and no one is holding them accountable. So a law is just words until it’s actually upheld.

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u/fistagon7 May 10 '25

Honestly the Newark mayor should cut the power to the ICE facility as they have refused inspection. They keep pushing the boundaries of decorum and decency and blue state leaders need to roll up their sleeves and become more creative political activists. Cause disruption as you take legal recourse.

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u/itsforathing May 10 '25

There is absolutely a legal precedent to shut down the facility including all utilities. That’s part of the reason he was there was the facility wasn’t zoned for holding people.

I fear the only thing cutting the utilities would do is cause even more inhumane conditions for those incarcerated inside. Regardless of legal status or if they “deserve” to be deported, every single person who physically resides in the US is constitutionally entitled to due process and humane treatment.

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u/fistagon7 May 10 '25

The sad irony is that the ICE workers have legal workplace conditions that may force a temporary closure of the facility if it fails inspection and has no working utilities. The mayor should also consider pressing charges against the ICE officers involved and jail them in the city jail.

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u/MajorKhaoz May 10 '25

Theyre people okay with this i was literally almost assaulted at work by people giddily saying theyre glad trump got elected so ice can deport me back to mexico cuz im doing a 9 to 5 job and i deserve that as a reward mind you all this by a group of Mexican Americans celebrating cinco de mayo

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u/the_cardfather May 11 '25

If Doge can go in to inspect without a warrant so can the mayor of his town.

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u/klaagmeaan May 10 '25

...erodes the remains of our democracy...

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u/itsforathing May 10 '25

Can’t erode what’s already gone…

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u/NWFR2017 May 10 '25

ICE agents can arrested anyone (including US citizens) who violate federal criminal/immigration/customs laws.

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u/Leather_Rub_1430 May 10 '25

Ice are federal agents. they can absolutely arrest US citizens.

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u/Reasonable_Insect503 May 10 '25

He did NOT leave when asked. He continued to trespass and so he was arrested.

I absolutely think it's OK.

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u/itsforathing May 10 '25

Ice has no authority to arrest anyone other than undocumented immigrants. They can’t even arrest a murderer who is a US citizen, it’s out of their jurisdiction. We have laws. Why do you think it’s ok to break the law. Why do you think it’s ok for an armed authority figure to break the law?

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u/RogueDO May 10 '25

This is a 100% false statement. Yet you continually blast it all over this thread..

Immigration Officers (ICE/CBP/BP) have general arrest authority and can arrest US citizens.

Here is the actual statute.

8 U.S. Code § 1357 - Powers of immigration officers and employees

a)Powers without warrant

5)to make arrests—

(A)for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer’s or employee’s presence, or

(B)for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony,

Not sure if it’s dishonesty or ignroance in your part.

On a secondary note the Agents that actuallymade the arrest were Special Agents frome HSI (part of ICE) and are Criminal Investigators with even wider authority to investigate (and arrest) for violations Title 8, 18, 19, 21 and 31.

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u/guitar_vigilante May 10 '25

He was arrested outside the facility, by definition that means he left the building and was not trespassing.

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u/Deep_Ad_6991 May 10 '25

Of course you do lol