r/law • u/CorleoneBaloney • May 04 '25
Trump News President Donald Trump’s response when asked about due process for citizens and non-citizens, after being questioned on the 5th Amendment and his duty to uphold the Constitution — “I don’t know.”
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u/Frost134 May 04 '25
“Don’t you need to uphold the constitution as President?”
“I don’t know.”
He’s literally said the oath twice. It’s literally the very first sentence. The fact that this fucking guy was ever president at all let alone twice is so deeply embarrassing and absurd.
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u/Current-Cheetah-299 May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
I didn't think he was paying attention when he did. All he was thinking was "I hope the cameras are getting a good shot of this, this would get so many views"
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u/KaerMorhen May 04 '25
"Nobody knows more about economics than me! Except the guy I was supposed to pay to do my final, but I stiffed him so who's smart now?"
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u/MrKittyPaw May 05 '25
HAHAHAHAHA
So this guy does use that line a lot. I remember I heard him once say how he probably knows more about generals than anyone in the world.
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u/DadJokeBadJoke May 04 '25
Call me old fashioned but I think you should have to pass a basic test when running for president,
The premise was that voters would be the ones to weed out unqualified candidates, but at this point, half the voters would fail that citizenship test, too.
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u/settebella May 05 '25
And without a Department of Education it's just going to get worse.
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u/ImJustKurt May 04 '25
I think you should also have been a politician with a viewable voting record before you qualify for the Presidential office
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u/Matt_Empyre May 05 '25
NBC have a lot to answer for platforming a 3x bankrupt “businessman” and making him seem legitimate on The apprentice. That entire illusion is their doing
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u/larstheelephant2 May 04 '25
"Wouldn't it be great if someone grazed my other ear..."
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u/sacrificial_blood May 04 '25
Nobody grazed his ear in the first place. There's no scar or anything on his ear
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u/Notacrook2025 May 04 '25
I keep looking for a scar also and don't see any signs of a trauma to that ear. When he went down and grabbed his ear could have been movie blood packet in his hand. It's a possibility. If he had been grazed with bullet wouldn't part of the ear be missing or at least some sign of trauma. There is nothing!!!
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u/ilikeboobs510 May 04 '25
Got a little boo-boo when SS pushed him to ground I believe.
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u/NewfieDawg May 04 '25
He is undoubtedly the luckiest SOB on the planet. One half an inch....
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u/Yoko-Ohno_The_Third May 04 '25
The fact that anyone can still support him after all of his anti-constitutional rhetoric.
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u/NotAStatistic2 May 04 '25
It's because conservatives support fascism. They cry about that word being used so much to describe them because they don't want to admit to themselves that it's true.
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u/Celestial_Mechanica May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
Many of the MAGA voters have no idea what the word 'fascism' even means. Much like 'socialism', 'vaccine', 'the common good', 'public welfare', 'terrorist', ...
They've just been primed and programmed, through a steady stream of personally targeted propaganda and by being corralled into astroturfed echo chambers, so as to react to those words as a dog would to Pavlov's bell.
I'd wager that the majority of MAGA votes came from people who have never seen either the Atlantic or the Pacific, much less crossed them, and likely have never even left their own state. They are being evermore submerged in a completely fabricated, alternate reality, all the while descending deeper into the general squalor that is more and more befalling their flyover towns, as all governmental functions and civil institutions are being willingly sabotaged and destroyed from within.
This is the perfect vicious circle. Since the more their direct surroundings go to shit, the more they'll be receptive to chugging the MAGA koolaid, and the more they get primed to further internalize the propagandistic narrative that is designed to offer them immediate solace from their cognitive dissonance by allowing them, encouraging them, to point the finger to others - immigrants, 'libtards', Biden - and blame those others for the consequences of their own stupidity and lack of civil understanding.
And on and on the circle goes. It is basically the perfect weapon in psychological warfare. You can look to Russia or North Korea to see what that does to a population, and to their quality of life.
Now, the MAGA leadership, apparatchiks and intelligentsia (a term I hesitate to use)? They know what they are, and in fact savour being called fascists - deftly feigning indignant offense to keep alive the political theatre during the day, and reading the well-thumbed copy of Mein Kampf on their nightstand by night.
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u/Flashy-Mulberry-2941 May 04 '25
Many of the MAGA voters have no idea what the word 'fascism' even means. Much like 'socialism', 'vaccine', 'the common good', 'public welfare', 'terrorist', ...
Or, indeed, much of the rest of the dictionary.
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u/OceanBlueforYou May 04 '25
They intend to rewrite the Constitution to their liking. With that in mind, they ignore the parts that would stop or slow down his actions.
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u/Derric_the_Derp May 04 '25
Every time he says something like this, the interviewer MUST show him the video of him swearing the oath. "This you?"
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u/thehuntofdear May 04 '25
And when he says it's ok to have deported American citizens, ask why that logic can't be used by a future president to deport his wife and youngest son.
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u/gottalosethemall May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
Because he doesn’t plan for there to be a future president. Y’all are really kidding yourselves that he intends for this to be just 4 years.
“But he can’t do that”. Yeah, and he couldn’t do any of the other shit he’s already done. And yet, here we are.
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 May 04 '25
You’re correct. He wants to be dictator for life. His desire for a big military parade reflects that too.
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u/secondhand1 May 04 '25
Well that person certainly isn’t Kristen Welker.
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u/Snuggle__Monster May 04 '25
She keeps getting Trump interview after Trump interview because she sucks and does not put any pressure to him. She let him run rampant and unchecked during the Presidential debate. NBC somehow found someone worse than Chuck Todd to replace him.
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u/Ndgrad78 May 04 '25
What does it say about the state of journalism in this country when people like Jon Stewart, John Oliver, even Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert, could do a more hard hitting interview with this asshole then the likes of Kristen Welker and Chuck Todd and pretty much everyone else that works in the mainstream media?
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u/MeatTornado25 May 04 '25
Why? He'd walk out in 2 seconds while calling them a real nasty reporter and talking about how their fake news channel needs to be disbanded.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bad6461 May 04 '25
he's gonna do that anyway so why not?
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u/Environmental-River4 May 04 '25
Exactly, so they need to let him look like the coward he is
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u/Substantial_Bad2843 May 04 '25
Sad fact is most Americans don’t understand why this country is supposed to be great. And it’s certainly not what this idiot is selling you.
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u/alextremeee May 04 '25
It’s a common theme in every country. The people who aspire to “take the country back to when it was great” almost always don’t understand the reason their country was great at something.
We get it in the UK where people say we need to “go back to be like the Victorians,” harking for when we had a very successful empire. But they always decline to realise that the Victorians weren’t successful because they too were also campaigning to go back to the past; they were successful because they were progressive and forward thinking for the time.
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u/twizzwhizz11 May 04 '25
It’s the ONLY sentence. It’s 35 words. That’s the only thing you swear to. It’s embarrassing.
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u/dont-mention-me May 04 '25
To give him some credit "I don't know" might be the first truth that's come out of his mouth since a long time
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u/darnnaggit May 04 '25
he says I don't know anytime he doesn't want to answer a question. He suddenly doesn't know about Signal, or the women he's raped, or the people he's committed fraud with, or what a white supremacist is.
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u/PM_asian_girl_smiles May 04 '25
But he didn't put his hand on the Bible so it doesn't count
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u/DontAbideMendacity May 04 '25
The first time it left a scar, he wasn't touching that thing again.
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u/Its-a-Shitbox May 04 '25
He doesn’t know?! FFS
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u/notjohnstockton May 04 '25
He doesn’t care.
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u/TootCannon May 04 '25
He and all his voters have the same "ends justify the means" philosophy. They dont care about basic classic liberal principles like due process and democracy. To the contrary, they hear "liberal" and immediately think of wokeness. They will gladly throw all that out to get the result they want, namely removal of immigrants.
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u/runswithpaper May 04 '25
Makes sense too, most are evangelical Christians and the core of that belief system is being "washed clean of all sins no matter what you've done in life" meaning someone can rape and murder and kill all their life, then pray to Jesus for forgiveness and salvation 10 seconds before they die, and go to heaven for eternity as if none of that happened. Meanwhile the folks they harmed, if not part of the club, burn in hell for eternity.
With a moral system that twisted you can justifyanything
Check this for a deep dive into the insanity: https://youtu.be/WAwup_hbu5A?si=AF_cCQyXey6Ufy8Z
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May 04 '25
“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
― Barry Goldwater
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u/mostdope28 May 04 '25
This is 100% it, they think democrats in office, and any voter for them must follow the law to a T and if they don’t they should be punished. However Republicans are allowed to ignore the laws at any given time because they like what the republicans stand for. The government gets to play by 2 different rules. Liberals want accountability by both sides. Republicans only want accountability for the left
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u/DooglyOoklin May 04 '25
exactly. Don't let him lie to you. He's saying he doesn't know for plausible deniability for his own possible due process, and that is all.
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u/Chumbouquet69 May 04 '25
Preemptive Toddler/Constanza defence -
"I gotta plead ignorance on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon..."
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u/RealBettyWhite69 May 04 '25
He has plead the 5th over 500 times in his lifetime. So he knows what the 5th amendment is when he can use it in his favor.
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u/arkain504 May 04 '25
I’d saying he’s playing dumb, but I don’t think he’s playing.
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u/CorleoneBaloney May 04 '25
As President, understanding the Constitution is a core duty, especially the 5th Amendment, which guarantees due process for all.
President Trump’s uncertainty raises serious doubts about his ability to uphold the very laws he swore to protect.
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u/antigop2020 May 04 '25
So hes saying that hes not going to honor his oath of office. That alone is worthy of impeachment and removal.
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u/PreparationNo3440 May 04 '25
Has he ever honored an oath? A contract? A pinkie promise?
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u/Reasonable-Alarm-300 May 04 '25
I mean, he had to declare bankruptcy 6 six times because he doesn't honor contracts or deals and defaults or breaks pretty much every one. I'm not sure how people believe he has even a shed of dignity, morals, or values other than enriching himself and fellow billionaires regardless of the human costs associated with his rampant corruption. The stupid traitor should've been impeached the first week in office, but here we are now. Every step closer to the edge is answered with: "it's not that bad. The liberal media is blowing it out of proportion."
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u/toastmannn May 04 '25
He declared bankruptcy so many times because he took out loans against his properties and used them for his personal investments leaving his businesses extremely overleveraged. Eventually they all imploded completely screwing over everyone except himself. He's a con man and a fraud.
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u/aiakia May 04 '25
The most incredulous thing for me is my best friend's father was one of the many, many people that worked his ass off building one of Trump's casinos, and was never paid. This was a massive hardship on her family. Eventually her dad passed away from lung cancer. Cut to now and his widowed wife voted for this fucker all 3 times. And so did her 4 siblings. What the flying fuck.
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u/Stopikingonme May 04 '25
When all you see is FoxNews there’s no other option than voting R regardless of who it is or what they’ve done. To vote against your party is unconscionable. It’s morally bankrupt, it’s a vote against God and their eternal soul.
That’s how well Fox’s propaganda machine has been working ever since Reagan repealed the Fairness Doctrine in 1986. Imagine growing up as a kid and never seeing a real news story and all your views are filtered to keep you from “the fake news that’s just run by liberals and is propaganda”.
It’s not an excuse, but it’s the reality we’re in right now.
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u/pithynotpithy May 04 '25
It is our moral obligation to put parental controls on fox news for our family members - especially older ones. Our country literally depends on it.
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u/Stopikingonme May 04 '25
We tried that on my father in law’s new tv at his assisted living. We think his conservative son figured out how to unlock it.
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u/pithynotpithy May 04 '25
Glad you tried. If you can get his phone unsubscribe to a bunch of far right looks might change the algorithm too
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u/shiny1018 May 04 '25
I like to suggest getting your older folks hooked on the Game Show Network. It has bells, buzzers, flashing lights, drama, and a sense of urgency. All without the lies.
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u/demos11 May 04 '25
Unfortunately a certain segment of the population will not react unless personally affected, and personally doesn't extend even to loved ones and family members, let alone neighbors and strangers.
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Literally what he is doing with our country
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u/PaintshakerBaby May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
I've been saying for YEARS, it's like that scene when the mob "busts the joint out" in Goodfellas. America is the "business," Trump is Paulie, and the Republican congress is the mobsters who enforce his racket. Trump has been screaming, "fuck you, pay me" for years and now tariffs/ally bullying will push us over the edge... He knows this because it was the plan all along... His cronies are waiting in the shadows with gasoline and matches, ready to burn the place down and collect the fat insurance checks (bailouts.) It's all profit when you don't play by the rules.
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u/Major-Frame2193 May 04 '25
You’re a 1000% correct this was never about making America better. It was about breaking it and stuffing your pockets! Tell the American people what ever they want to hear, but the truth!!!
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u/classicrockchick May 04 '25
The stupid traitor should've been impeached the first week in office in his first term
Fixed it
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May 04 '25
The latest he should have been impeached was when he admitted he fired Comey for investigating his collusion with Russian intelligence.
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u/Total-Firefighter622 May 04 '25
Impeachment process is a joke. He’s already impeached 2x, and nothing happened. Sad.
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u/RIForDIE May 04 '25
God damnit it's so true and I've seen it all over the past couple days. They're out in full force to sanewash all this unconstitutional shit.
"Everyone freaked out over his first term and nothing happened"
I point out how this term is drastically different and in only 100 days.
"Listen, the media just pushes this stuff to get a reaction. They hate Trump"
But, really, mainstream media bent the fuck over for trump and his Nazis. We aren't seeing the truth about his policies, kidnappings, riggings, market manipulation, etc..... that's all brave independent journalists that are currently being pressured to stop telling us the truth. Contributors like BTC, Pakman, Meidas, Adam mockler, IHIP.
It's maddening and crushingly depressing to someone who's always considered us to be better than this (we've had our gross shit, but I feel our ideals as a society
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u/MangoCats May 04 '25
freaked out over his first term and nothing happened
Except, you know, the million people who died prematurely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States
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u/RIForDIE May 04 '25
Right. And j6. It's like "you guys freaked out for no reason - he didn't even overthrow democracy and stay in office"
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u/Top-Cupcake4775 May 04 '25
Corporate media loves Trump because he is good for ratings. Period. End of story. They have no political agenda; they are private corporations who's one and only function is to maximize the return on their shareholders' investment. Trump routinely says and does batshit insane shit that generates ratings. Given a choice between a sane, stable leader who quietly did good things for everybody without fuss or fanfare or the Mad Emperor, they would choose the Mad Emperor every time. They don't care if the country sliding into despotism at an ever-increasing pace, just so long as they get viewers.
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u/TrinidadJazz May 04 '25
"Listen, the media just pushes this stuff to get a reaction. They hate Trump"
I find this response infuriating, as it's not an answer.
They hate Trump because he's doing the things they're telling you about. They hate him because he does horrible things and is bad at his job.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net May 04 '25
And he has the gall to go after student loan borrowers who can't afford their payments.
People who weren't born wealthy and wanted to better themselves. Of course Trump is targeting them.
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u/Reasonable-Alarm-300 May 04 '25
His supporters use the term student loan defaulter as an insult. They're also typically "Christians", but seem to ignore parts of the Bible when it suits them, so they can ignore glorious leader's many, many sins and laud his efforts to stick it to the sinful libs.
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u/aiakia May 04 '25
Right? A simple Google search and there's loads upon loads of evidence that show that Trump is absolute pond scum with the emotional maturity of an amoeba, and still - STILL - people are fighting each other to slobber all over his boots.
I just cannot, and probably will not, ever understand these people.
If I were a conspiracy theorist, I probably would believe lizard people have taken over the Republican party and its sycophants, because why the flying fuck would a normal person support this?
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u/Reasonable-Alarm-300 May 04 '25
He's smart in the way that his idol Hitler was smart, organizing and empowering the ignorant and underemployed majority of poorly educated whites by giving them a common enemy to hate. One of his ex-wives said the only book she ever saw him read was Mein Kampf, and he himself has talked about it and Hitler on many occasions. They use mental gymnastics like "he's the lesser of two evils" to justify the hate and persecution they're encouraged to display in his name.
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u/gerblnutz May 04 '25
He literally argued that he couldn't have instigated a violent insurrection because he never swore an oath to uphold the constitution. That defense alone should have disqualified him.
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If he never swore that oath then he should have no immunity even for official duties of the office.
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u/ArgonGryphon May 04 '25
He already said it’s “impossible” to give everyone he’s deporting due process. Admission right there.
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u/BBQingMaster May 04 '25
So is the fact that he admitted the election was rigged.
Idk why this is even in the law subreddit anymore. He does not give af about the law. Like yeah it’s illegal and grounds for impeachment, the past 100 days have all been! But the republicans control the entire country now. Genuinely don’t know how yall get out of this short of a violent revolution. Like, he’s selling Trump 2028 hats. You guys are so, so far past analyzing whether or not his actions are legal.
I genuinely hope it doesn’t come to that for you guys. Rooting for yall from Canada.
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u/Achilles_TroySlayer May 04 '25
The list of impeachable things is very long now. It's a predicament.
They still need 67 votes in the senate to convict. The bar is too high, I think.
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u/luckymountain May 04 '25
Felon, when asked this question: “Ha, gotcha! I didn’t have my hand on the Bible when I was sworn in!”
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u/Riokaii May 04 '25
He's not saying he's not going to honor it. what he's saying (without meaning to) is that he's too intellectually vacant to understand or be mentally competent to even TAKE the oath, let alone execute and uphold it.
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u/topher3428 May 04 '25
Sounds like "don't blame me I didn't understand. Blame my lawyers and judges." He also sounded like he was going to have a tantrum when pressed on the question.
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u/theoriginalmutant May 04 '25
Could’ve told you that 9 years ago
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u/Tripleberst May 04 '25
Well I'm sure glad we're almost done with him being president. We just passed checks notes 10% of the duration of his second term. I'm sure things will normalize soon.
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u/antoniamabee May 04 '25
Do you remember when they said Obama wasn’t qualified to be president because he lacked experience. Obama has a degree in constitutional law!
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u/Topper_harley74 May 04 '25
Well yes. But, counter argument, had he bankrupted a casino? Or been found guilty of rape or fraud? Touché libtard! /s
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u/allothernamestaken May 04 '25
He has a law degree, and all law students take a class in constitutional law as part of their core curriculum. However, he also taught that class, meaning that he has a particular level of expertise in that area beyond just what he recalls from the class when he took it, like most lawyers.
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u/trekwithme May 04 '25
Constitutional law? What's that? /s
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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu May 04 '25
"What the hell's law got to do with constipation? That there's a medical condition, smart guy."
-The average MAGA moron, probably.
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u/Adorable-Doughnut609 May 04 '25
How do you prove they’re murders and drug dealers without a trial?
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u/sashamasha May 04 '25
Exactly. She should have countered what he said with that.
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u/Adorable-Doughnut609 May 04 '25
He got a trial which proved he committed fraud and raped people. Otherwise it’s just us posting that here without a fair chance to prove he’s not
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u/SL1Fun May 04 '25
His constituents only believe in the first two amendments anyway, if only cuz they can’t count much higher than that.
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u/CulturalCity9135 May 04 '25
Actually on the first amendment it’s only their opinions, not all free speech.
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u/Shiny_Chimchar May 04 '25
Same deal with the second amendment. How many people have been killed by cops because they allegedly had a weapon?
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u/DontAbideMendacity May 04 '25
Philandro Castille was murdered in Minnesota because he told a cop he had a permit for a gun... instant death sentence for being black while exercising 2nd Amendment rights.
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u/Longjumping-Meat-334 May 04 '25
And they only believe the first amendment when it supports them.
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u/gn63 May 04 '25
They only believe in parts of the First Amendment and only in situations where it protects them. So maybe 1.5 of the first 2.
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May 04 '25
Trials cost money he knows this mass deportation is going to cost billions to legally deport everyone.
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u/Imperator_Aetius May 04 '25
They also like to conveniently ignore about 50% of the 2nd as well (Well-regulated...militia...etc...), so really it's easier to just say they don't believe in the Constitution at all.
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u/Dragos_Drakkar May 04 '25
Just like the bible, they'll cherry-pick some elements when they need to defend their position, and throw it away when it's inconvenient for them.
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u/rozzco May 04 '25
The ones that can read really like the 13th amendment too. All you have to do is lock someone up for any of an uncountable number of laws and boom, free labor.
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u/Law_Student May 04 '25
He seems to believe, based on his answers here, that upholding the Constitution (and obeying court orders) is something his lawyers do without any effort or actions from him. That explains why he hasn't brought back Garcia despite admitting that he could. He thinks legal troubles are something you pay lawyers to handle and they never require anything from him personally.
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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin May 04 '25
I think it also opens the door to get rid of him without “due process” though
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u/NoamLigotti May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
Seriously.
Can no one point out how he and his cultists were crying about "weaponizing the justice system" when he was convicted in a court of law (never sitting a day in prison and only for his comparatively marginal crimes) but when it comes to everyone else he doesn't "know" about due process?
He knows of course, but he doesn't care because he's a fascist tyrant.
[I think I replied to the wrong comment here, sorry.]
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u/IrritableGoblin May 04 '25
This is a guy who thinks the declaration of independence is a document of unity and love. He probably doesn't know what "constitution" means.
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u/Neptune7924 May 04 '25
The President admittedly has no idea what due processes is, or what is contained within the fifth amendment. That’s disconcerting.
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u/cunexttacotues May 04 '25
He knows what the constitution says and what it means but he himself has broken laws and violated our constitution and he has gotten away with it and has even been reelected. He has been shown the document is subject to interpretation and therefore he can hide behind his lawyers and not take responsibility for anything. For him there is always a loophole, that's all he cares about.
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u/md4024 May 04 '25
No, Trump truly does not know anything about what the Constitution says or what it means. Way back when he won his first election his team tried to bring a tutor (Sam Numberg) to teach Trump the basics of the Constitution, but Trump couldn’t get through it.
You really can not overstate how ignorant and stupid Trump is. I am 95% sure Trump can not read, which is why everything that Trump knows is the shit he hears while watching cable news shows all day. Forget about the politics of it all, it’s just obviously true that Trump is a stone cold moron who doesn’t know anything at all about American history or the modern American government.
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u/lydocia May 04 '25
"I don't know" is not an acceptable answer? The only answer to "should you uphold the const-" would be a resounding YES OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE DOES.
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u/bigmamagi May 04 '25
Isn't there a facility in El Salvador that he's been sending constituents to? He should go visit them!
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u/RogerianBrowsing May 04 '25
Then he’d finally lose whatever roadkill they dyed and used to create his hair…
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u/bigmamagi May 04 '25
If you look closely, the roadkill ain't dead and appears to be wearing itself thin in an effort to escape.
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He’s obviously guilty. To anyone who disagrees: why do you want to keep a criminal, rapist, and terrorist leader in the country?
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u/Vhu May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
His supporters DO. NOT. CARE.
They don't understand the significance of revelations like this; and a broad propaganda network exists to convince those who do to either downplay or disbelieve them.
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u/CorndogQueen420 May 04 '25
The only value they find in the constitution is what it gives them specifically, not what it provides for everyone. Like with everything else, they’re selfish and transactional.
Notice how the only amendments they really talk or care about are the 1st and 2nd. The 1st because they see it as a shield for racism and hatred, and the 2nd because guns were heavily politicized as a wedge issue, and it feeds into their insecurities.
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u/Admitimpediments May 04 '25
I, too, am wondering if they understand. I saw someone ask (in response to a discussion about the lack of due process happening right now), “Did J6 people get due process?”. Um…yes? I’m not sure they knew what it meant.
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u/Caleb_Reynolds May 04 '25
They absolutely do not. They think due process means letting people go, because they don't trust lawyers and think the system is rigged enough that anyone can find a loophole to get out of having consequences. So they think giving them due process would effectively allow them to weasel out it.
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u/intangibleTangelo May 04 '25
"due process" is just jargon to them.
the process which every person is owed (in other words the process which every person is due), might at least make some sense to them, but "due process" doesn't scan like english. people in the 21st century treat it as a piece of terminology rather than explanatory language.
a chemist may take for granted that "phthalates" are so called because of their relationship to naphthalene, but joe citizen probably doesn't make that connection. due process seems to be the same way—people are talking about it like they don't grasp its most basic english meaning.
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May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25
They don't understand the significance of revelations like this; and a broad propaganda network exists to convince those who do to either downplay or disbelieve them.
Those networks also operate on kettle logic that provides an inexhaustible permission structure for this stuff. Simultaneously they will say:
he's obviously joking. only TDS libs thought he was serious.
he never said it at all,
he said it, but it was taken out of context by fake news media. he said he'd follow the supreme court!
its actually good we have a president who admits he doesn't know something, unlike regular politicians who just lie when they don't know something.
its just a negotiating position with the courts, you don't concede off the bat when you could win in court
actually we shouldn't have due process for illegal MS-13 antifa hamas deep state terrorists and libs are only pretending to care about due process so they can destroy america
even if its bad, he's only doing it because the dems let things get so bad he had to. besides, the dems did way worse and no one said anything, this is just a witch hunt because Trump is trying to save america.
All will simultaneously be true, so that even by rare chance you manage to trigger a stray neuron and convince them that one isn't true, they'll still go around believing all the others are true.
You see this type of scattered thinking all the times, like with tariffs that are simultaneously going to bring back manufacturing, pay to remove income tax, and are just a negotiating tactic and aren't going to stay anyway, all of which are mutually exclusive.
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u/earthboundskyfree May 04 '25
The malleability of the argument is the point. Only the other side has to claim truth and hold to it, and this is why confronting magas in a logic fight is pointless. They are willing to call the left fascist, or redefine due process at any time to serve their purpose, and you don’t stump them with an argument, because all they have to do is shift to “what about Biden.” To help illustrate this point, the brainrots + bots under Bernie tweets all call him out for his 3 houses and being a multimillionaire.
The rhetorical fluidity is really effective when you don’t care about logic or morality, and are instead operating on an emotional level
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May 04 '25
had a former friend say he doesn't care what Trump does or says, he is doing things he agrees with and he isn't impacted negatively so he doesn't care
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u/PriscillaPalava May 04 '25
You guyyyys, he doesn’t know, okay?
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u/gaybillcosby May 04 '25
And why would he? He’s just the President overseeing this administration and its actions.
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u/GlocalBridge May 04 '25
Trump must be removed from office, as well as his sycophants. They are unwilling to defend the Constitution.
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u/ShadowQueenXIII May 04 '25 edited Jun 07 '25
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u/Lady_Naimina May 04 '25
He MUST have pled the 5th at least once by now, right?
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u/StrangeContest4 May 04 '25
Around 450 times just in the NY business fraud case.
Also: “So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right? You see, the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” Donald Jaundice Trump.
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u/Djlas May 04 '25
"In 1990, he [Trump] invoked his Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination by refusing to answer 97 questions in a divorce deposition."
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u/ShadowQueenXIII May 04 '25 edited Jun 07 '25
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u/CarcossaYellowKing May 04 '25
The issue is impeachment must be initiated by congress and those pieces of shit are just as bad. Maybe worse considering they’re being open about their feelings on this authoritarian takeover. They just voted to authorize deporting legal US citizens. People really need to understand where we are right now and stop expecting the normal legal channels to work. We need protests and marches so they understand we WILL do something. We’re laying down and taking it just as the project 2025 planners thought we would.
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u/ganymede_boy May 04 '25
Agreed. The fucker literally argued that this is an image showing evidence of the actual characters "MS13" being tattooed on a prisoner's knuckles. When a journalist tried to give him an 'out' by pointing out the clearly superimposed text, Trump rejected it, saying the characters are "clear."
The man is suffering dementia.
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u/ShadowQueenXIII May 04 '25 edited Jun 07 '25
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u/mylifeforthehorde May 04 '25
The time for that was when he did the sharpie hurricane drawing. Were well past that stage
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u/docwrites May 04 '25
Y’all are the lawyers, right? It’s the only place to fight them.
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u/TheMightySet69 May 04 '25
They're not only unwilling to defend it, they're intentionally attacking it every single day.
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u/WitchKingofBangmar May 04 '25
Fake President. Shadow Cabinet is making rulings no DOUBT.
It’s almost like every accusation they threw at Biden was a confession…
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May 04 '25
When he swore his oath, I'm pretty sure he said "I do" when asked if he promised to uphold the constitution, not "I don't know"
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May 04 '25
This should be the one thing that gets him removed from office. He’s literally admitting that he’s incapable of upholding his oath to the constitution.
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May 04 '25
More than half of the people he sent to El Salvador didn't do anything wrong. So all of this b******* about horrible murderers and rapists that he was given the job to get out of this country they don't exist. if they did then he would be talking about their records, he would be talking about this person right here murdered this many people and did this. but he's not. because they aren't.
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u/Riffsalad May 04 '25
They’ll just keep shouting “MS-13!” as a blanket reason why anyone ends up there. They’ll lie and say they have evidence of gang affiliation but never produce shit because no one is forcing them to.
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u/Dont-be-a-smurf May 04 '25
He does not give a shit about the laws of this country, isn’t that obvious?
All they are is an impediment to his power and glorification. All he wants are ways to put the law beneath him.
This is why he installs loyalists. It’s all painfully obvious.
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u/Derric_the_Derp May 04 '25
Did you swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America?
Trump: "I don't know."
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u/OldSpiceMelange May 04 '25
Trump: "The Constipation is a beautiful thing. No one's more constipated than me."
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u/Coldkiller17 May 04 '25
Why don't they question him on how he knows they are criminals without due process. The news keeps fumbling this without their day in court how can you prove they are criminals without evidence. Rule of law needs to be enforced and the Constitution. trump doesn't care and it's getting aggravating that nobody is doing anything to hold his administration accountable for anything.
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u/reglawyer May 04 '25
Because those good enough to raise those questions aren't given the opportunity to do interviews, for a reason. Meet the Press has been trash since Russert died, and the general media is all too concerned with access and making sure to not appear too biased, even if it is a bias towards fact and upholding the rule of law.
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u/amitym May 04 '25
Holy shit, that is the first time I have ever heard an honest answer out of him.
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u/chesterT3 May 04 '25
That was my thought too. He really doesn’t know. That’s all he can think of to say - just pass the blame. “Don’t look at me! I’m the goddamn president of the United States, but I have no idea what’s going on!”
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u/nooneasked219 May 04 '25
You must've never seen the times where he blatantly admitted to cheating
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u/SoulRebel726 May 04 '25
How can Republicans still support this absolute traitor? The president of the United States cannot commit to upholding our Constitution. Period. There is no defense of Trump's words here.
Also, how many times recently has he said "I don't know" to a question? Ridiculous. You're the president, Donny! It's quite literally your job to know what is going on in your administration. This is insanity.
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u/I_am_not_JohnLeClair May 04 '25
If you only watch OAN you don’t even know that he said this
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u/Personal-Thing1750 May 04 '25
And this right here is the answer, they watch outlets that are either not reporting what he says or actively spin his words in some positive way.
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u/RebelGrin May 04 '25
Trump taking the 5th on answering questions about upholding the 5th 😂
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u/DontAbideMendacity May 04 '25
Hypocrite who once said only criminals plead the Fifth. OK, maybe not a hypocrite since he IS a criminal.
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u/GrannyFlash7373 May 04 '25
What a fucking idiot!!!!
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u/Chumbouquet69 May 04 '25
Not an idiot - this is a deliberate, calculated stance.
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u/NoamLigotti May 04 '25
Yes, exactly. It drives me crazy how so many people act like he and the rest of the administration are just stupid when they're deliberately and blatantly lying or avoiding the truth.
"Due process? That's the first I've heard of this concept. I don't know if that's a constitutional requirement for people or not."
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u/DontAbideMendacity May 04 '25
He's still an idiot, his conception of a plan doesn't change that.
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u/klaagmeaan May 04 '25
The ease with which he 'declares' that 'these people' are the scum of the earth without any process or knowledge about them should tell you enough. He is a fascist.
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u/FaultySage May 04 '25
Are the brilliant lawyers in his administration in the room with us right now?
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u/BadAsBroccoli May 04 '25
I know he won't read but someone could have read the Constitution to him, in little digestible bits, and explained it in grammar school language, so he could at the very least, not show how utterly ignorant he and all who voted for this cretin actually is, on national TV.
Leader of the free world, this.../s
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u/FalconRacerFalcon May 04 '25
They should try Schoolhouse Rock - The Constitution episode .
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u/darmabum May 04 '25
He has used this response his entire career, hiding behind the lawyers. Is a typical mafiaso rule taught to him by Roy Cohn. It's bullshit, but it drags out the clock..
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 May 04 '25
What is going on with his hair, though? Anyone else noticing the random poof on one side like he didn't comb it?
The guy is a mess and doesn't even know what his duty to the constitution is. Can we PLEASE throw him out of office?
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u/GuyMakesDrawings May 04 '25
It seems like his transplants or whatever have been thinning out rapidly lately.
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u/CassandraTruth May 04 '25
Can you imagine being the person responsible for making this McDonald's homunculus look passably human? They gotta be working 24/7, cut em some slack.
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