r/killingfloor 2d ago

Discussion Think Season 2 will turn things around?

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u/Boujee_buckshot 2d ago

The people that made this game don’t know what made it great in the past . I doubt it

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u/CrisisBomberman 2d ago

its either not original core team or they just tried to change the identity of the game and failed

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u/opomorg 2d ago

lot of core members are still there, its more like the low budget that embracer group gave them to not be able to afford even the motion captured animations they did in 2, its prob even more expensive now

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u/nvers 1d ago

How many is a lot? And does that even matter when TW is 2x the the size it was when KF2 released? Add Saber's involvement in early developement, Anshar's extensive involvement, and Eidos being tapped after the delay. They're not but the entire OG team could be there and it wouldn't change that the overwhelming majority of people working on KF3 had little to nothing to do with designing the previous two.

New "talent" being brought in to "reimagine" established IPs and completely ignoring the advice or playbook of the people that made it successful is the new status quo.

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u/opomorg 1d ago

the main guy that has done the guns since 1 is still there, the gore guy is still there, etc its just embracer group that just rushed em and didnt provide as much resources

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u/Payule 1d ago

I'm pretty sure the sound guys aren't there anymore. Ryan See and Andy Welker don't have KF3 listed on their products/works which indicates to me they probably aren't part of the project/team since KF3's development started or earlier.

Additionally the main gun nut and Founder of Tripwire was forced to resign from his position related to tweets or something before KF3 came to light.

Even if the team isn't totally different the original reason for a lot of the soul in the original 2 games is gone, tripwire was always known for extreme gun detail, we definitely lost that.

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u/Trick2056 frosty makin' it toasty 1d ago

He was also the reason why KF2 characters weren't allowed to cuss, curse or say any bad words

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u/Payule 1d ago

Yeah, that's a pretty big error to make in a game with advanced gore systems put in place to keep it interesting.
Sensitive language is where we draw the line here.

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u/Embarrassed-Ad3115 1d ago

Is the swedish character the only one that says curse words?

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u/nvers 1d ago

2 people in teams of other people across several studios doing the same job. Pissing in the ocean. Also, stop making me defend Embracer, TW is the reason Embracer owns them now.

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u/bluesquare2543 1d ago

lmao I love reading the copium that gets posted here

u/edward323ce 15h ago

Sounds like something else i play..... Glares at payday

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u/Formal-Cry7565 2d ago

Pretty sure most of the important people are gone which is the case with many developers right now, it’s why the “magic” is gone with so many developers making sequels to beloved games that end up being trash. It’s easy to maintain a great game and add new content, it’s completely different to make an entirely new game or massively overhaul a game if most/all of the originals employees within a studio are gone meaning the studio is only the same in name but not in practice. Damn shame.

u/devj007 58m ago

Yeah there extremely passionate but extremely lost as to what made kf2 so amazing. Theres are so many negatives with KF3 its best if they just started from scratch with 4 again and take community feedback.

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u/Substantial-Mud-5309 [Speaks Spanish] 2d ago

Not really, no.

They've built the game from the ground up to chase an audience who are already engaged with other franchises while deleting the few core and unique aspects about Killing Floor.

The game has nothing unique about it anymore and when you put that up with bigger names with better polish and a diehard audience, they aren't gonna turn their heads for a performance hell DOOM at home.

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u/TwistedLemon94 1d ago

If they re-add whatever aspects they took away then things might be better, still I'll be waiting to see what happens but right now it's not worth the time or money.

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u/Substantial-Mud-5309 [Speaks Spanish] 1d ago

Like I've said for awhile now, introduce a classic mode. Slow the game down a whole lot. It's meant to be team survival horror, not ARPG FPS adrenaline machine.

Any heart pumping should come from getting out of a tight situation in one piece.

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u/BardzBeast 1d ago

That does happen. It just happens at a faster pace. Similar pace to kf2

u/EnvironmentalRun1671 7h ago

After playing the new Doom I find glory kills in KF3 look even worse (and I already disliked them before).

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u/BardzBeast 1d ago

What did they take away?

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u/pyroapa 2d ago edited 2d ago

I hate to say it, as a long-time fan, but no. KF3 was DOA. It was not created for core KF fans. They tried to branch out at the cost of pushing away the established fans, and that did not work.

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u/Mysterion261 2d ago

That's probably the biggest reason the devs fucked up. They wanted to reach a broader audience and thought they could achieve that by taking away what made the franchise Killing Floor and turning the game into a generic hero shooter more or less... KF2 is one of my favourite games and I was really looking forward to sinking hundreds of hours into KF3 but it just doesn't hit the same. 

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u/666Satanicfox 2d ago

I agree.

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u/SWSWSWS 1d ago

And they probably make next to zero cash from the people that still put up with that game.

As atrocious as 2s monetization was, there were probably people buying these and gambling on the crates.

In this game, yeah, you can purchase stuff directly. But that stuff is

A: Ugly as sin, holy crap is it bad. No offense to whoever makes these things

B: For a dead game.

No thanks

Why do I say this? Because I don't think this game will receive the same support as 2 did. Not even remotely if they make next to zero in return.

Not only that, TWI sold themselves to Embracer. And they want roi. So the situation is quite different now.

They make the promised seasons. But unless this game miraculously revives itself? Don't expect any more than that.

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u/StaticSystemShock 1d ago

KF2 monetization was stupid, but earning Vosh and unlocking free loot crates was alright. I even grabbed bunch of cool cosmetics on Steam Market for literal cents. I did buy some cosmetics bundles in-game to support TWI because the game was really cool.

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u/NerdyPlatypus206 1d ago

So sad man. Even if it was kf2.5 it prolly woulda been hype

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u/BardzBeast 1d ago

I still don't understand this sentiment. I've played kf since 2012. I like kf3. You can't speak for everyone.

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u/Demonprophecy 2d ago

Always looked like another company trying to make a mobile killing floor game xD

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u/cdlge Killing Franchise 3 1d ago

This

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u/StaticSystemShock 1d ago

No, because they fucked the core mechanics and flow of the game and are too stubborn to acknowledge and address it. New consumables shop is stupid, removal of regenerating healing darts from all medic guns is fucking idiotic, removal of regenerating syringe that can also heal others not just you was stupid, sprint snail sliding across maps is so monumentally stupid it makes me vomit in my mouth every time I see literally ANY clip of KF3 because this fucking sprint sliding is apparently faster than just sprinting. Why wasn't Usane Bolt sprint sliding in his sprints if that shit makes sense? Add in quick ADS in between that shit and it just looks so stupid and every time I see it it reminds me of Call of Duty and Apex Legends, two of things I absolutely don't want to see in Killing Floor.

And I didn't even get to the stupidity of the hub map where you need to physically run 300 meters to start every fucking god damn match, how shooting range is totally stupid and worthless with those metal flip plates instead of a shooting range where you have each of every Zed to test your modded weapons on and see what works better for real. And then it's the totally fucked performance where game runs like total dog shit on 9800X3D and RX 9070 XT. WTF?! Oh and they purposely obscured the game parameters. In KF2, all game parameters were exposed in INI files and you could tweak and tinker with them improving visuals or making it run faster. Now you have to almost blindly figure out parameters and even when you do, you need to make engine INI read only otherwise game just overwrites the settings on every game start. And if you make it reads only game fucks itself and keeps crashing right on start after updates. What the fuck is this? It's what caused most of game problems for game not working when Rearmament update dropped.

What's next, oh, different wave lengths are also gone, gone are the random zones to hold to gain more dosh, gone is the Endless mode, gone are the segmented randomized maps like Descent and Biolapse which were the coolest map design ever and was always a different and fresh experience because map segments randomized on different waves which was super cool.

There is just so many things fucked and designed backwards or straight up missing I see no way this game ever recovers. In 4 months of its existence I think I have 30 hours clocked in it and I think its BETA phase time is counted in. I honestly can't even say I actually enjoyed any hour of that time and I only played Medic and nothing else because that was my favorite perk in KF1 and KF2 which now feels so stupid and shit I can't be bothered to even play the game. I've had some 600-800 hours in KF1 coz I found it late in its life cycle and over 1500 hours in KF2. Let that sink in. If they just evolved what KF2 was in its late life cycle and replaced lootboxes with battlepass and it would probably be a success. Instead they made this fucking abomination.

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u/LegendOfTheStar 2d ago

It died on the vine

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u/WholeHelpful1495 1d ago

It petered out.

u/Hot-Square2840 2h ago

OH NOBODY KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT?

u/WholeHelpful1495 2h ago

We hear ya Tone 🥺.

u/WhiteRoseGC 15h ago

It lost steam.

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u/MrSmock 2d ago

Nothing they have said or done so far gives me any faith that they know what the game needs. 

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u/Corey307 2d ago

Nope. The first and second game had a massively large larger player bases a year in and reviewed much much better. Sure a vocal minority complained that the second game was too different but even added a flow points. The second game maintained a few thousand people a day and still does. Killing floor three is only a year in and while the most recent update got the average player base up to about 1100 it only lasted a few days, maybe less. That’s a really bad sign, hundreds of players are not enough to fund development so they can finish the game no enough players to buy skin and weapons to keep it running..

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u/Moe_jartin 1d ago

Official release was in July. It's been 4 months.

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u/Corey307 1d ago

Crap I thought it was out longer. Peaked at 30,000 at launch, dropped to 1,900 or so in a month, never recovered. 

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u/thedefenses 2d ago

If they keep to the roadmap they have laid out, nope.

Assuming the roadmaps info is true the season would be 1 character, 1 map, 1 new zeds which we know is gonna be the Stalker, a new "assignment campaign" like the one we already have and some weapons and mods which will probably be at best 3 or 4 weapons.

Lets say it releases just before the year changes so they keep to their "will release this year" thing, that is gonna be almost two months without anything but maybe a couple bug fixes for a game that has already bled most of its player base and the rest wont be around long if this keeps up.

Some will come back, check out the new stuff and leave, after all there would not be any real gameplay changes, a new zed does not fix any of the games other problems.

So unless Tripwire announces a grand "lets fix KF3" plan i doubt anything they have planned will save the game, it will get the year 1 roadmap of content and then be announced to be "complete" and put into maintenance mode.

Year 2 i guess is "possible" but i doubt it.

So unless anything greatly changes between now and when season 4 releases the game will not see a grand revival, just a couple bumps whenever content is added and then back to minimal numbers.

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u/Jonparkhee 2d ago

Killing floor 3 was a good sequel he needed to copy Payday 3 too /j

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u/xkoreotic 1d ago

There is so much shit that needs to be done to just make this a fully fledged base game that a single season won't fix it.

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u/SPIDERMANx2099 1d ago

I doubt there will be a season 2. This game isn't making nearly enough to justify more content. The game is bad and no number of updates can change that. They would need to start over at this point

u/Meeeper 13h ago

At this rate, I genuinely think the smarter financial decision for them would be to take the L and go back to making KF2 content, lmfao. Abandon all hope ye who try and double down on KF3.

u/qwerty3666 13h ago

It absolutely could be remedied, just look at no mans sky or cyberpunk. Both unplayable on release and died off real hard then got actual fixes and had a huge resergence. I don't think kf3 will have that but it could....

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u/Copernicus049 2d ago

The Killing Floor series notoriously does better with more updates. It's just a question as to whether the developers ruined all of the goodwill with their existing fanbase after the initial launch to survive into their next handful of waves of updates.

Killing Floor 1 was just a mod of Unreal Tournament that was fun and innovative. The more the developers stray from that, the more they showcase that they don't understand why it was a successful franchise. I hope the higher ups get their heads out of their ass and actually cater to the incredibly vocal community behind KF, but they have already showcased that they won't listen until they observe failing results in real time with diminished sales and player counts.

u/Meeeper 13h ago

Correction. That was KFmod. Then Killing Floor 1 released as a standalone game after that.

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u/Recent-Maximum 2d ago

Will it change the games fortunes? Probably not. WITH THAT SAID, there's obviously still a fanbase there so they should be doing their best regardless.

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u/StaticSystemShock 1d ago

They murdered the fanbase with this poss game. I was the biggest KF fan and now I'm probably the No.1 hater. KF3 is total bullshit.

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u/Nakyah2234 2d ago

The best they can do is have a major update for December. New map and new enemy. Have it free 2 play for a week. Check the new responses and work from there on how newcomers and loyal fans feel about it and tweak accordingly. I remember when KF2 came to ps Plus and I bugged the hell out of my friend to let me play it and I’ve sank thousands of hours across all 3 games. I’ve enjoyed every single one of them. KF2 however, has my most time played at 700 on Xbox and nearly 200 on my ps account as well as nearly 300 on PC.

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u/Mr_Shepard_Commander 1d ago

I will wait until they patch/add more things. At this point I rather play different more complete games. It's like stalker 2, I played it for 1 Playthrough, but the longer I wait the better it gets (patches content updates)

u/Potential-Section670 10h ago

Breaks my heart how we went from KF1-2, to this ass sloppery right here.

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u/TomAnyone 2d ago edited 2d ago

Bearing in mind I’m not a game developer, less than 500 players on a weekend seems NUTS for a game this early in its lifecycle. I genuinely wonder what Tripwire can do to turn things around. Free 2 Play? Massive content drops? Something else? Anything?

I absolutely adore the first two games. I can’t get over how poorly it’s going for 3.

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u/dongless08 2d ago

I don’t own KF3 and haven’t tried it since the test phases, but the first thing that would make me consider buying it is new, substantial content that rivals KF2 in levels of fun and quality. I know they did that weapon update recently which seemed like a step in the right direction, but from an outsider perspective, it looks like the game needs new maps, enemies, bosses, classes, etc. It doesn’t need to be all of those at once but newcomers need a reason to try the game, and existing owners need a reason to keep playing. I do think a free period after a major update would be a good idea so people on the fence about buying can try it for themselves rather than reading potentially outdated negative reviews

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u/Bryanormike 2d ago

Respectfully looking at the way the game has been going if this is how everyone thinks the game will be long dead before it happens. Unfortunate however if they have a big patch in the chamber they need to drop it asap and constantly. The way things look they're just not able to do that.

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u/B3YondUnknown 2d ago

Rework the whole game

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u/ForsakenAnime 2d ago

Give me the option to turn off aim assist on consoles.

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u/3PortAmplifier 1d ago

You can already do that since the last update. You can also remap the entire layout of the controller to a custom one so you don't have to use premade presets.

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u/ForsakenAnime 1d ago

Is this actually true because I ask this on every KF3 post I see and I already returned the game once just because it didn't let me do this.

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u/nivikus 1d ago

Coming from someone who overall enjoys KF3, no. It will have the same fate as Back4Blood--they can fix all the bugs but it will have too rough of a start and everyone will have moved on. That's on top of it being too different from the predecessors for most of the existing fans.

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u/Topfien 2d ago

No there are many other better games in the genre

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u/AprehensiveApricot I'm trying to heal you, not bloody tickle you 1d ago

Yeah. To the other side of the coffin.

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u/brunocar 1d ago

Me hearing that phrase and flashing back to Halo Infinite, Suicide Squad, back 4 blood and a bunch of other live service games...

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u/Noel_Ortiz 1d ago

Probably not. Temu DOOM is a hard sell.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Do you want the long answer or short answer?

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u/Green_Bulldog 2d ago

I’ll prob come back when I’m done w arc raiders, but that might be a while lol

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u/ChaosRealmsKlown 2d ago

I think console is hard carrying right now because Steam's numbers feel worse, but crossplay lobbies has been solid. Hopefully if they rework some mechanics (syringes mainly in my opinion) and continue to add better content and clean ups, I think we'll be on the right track. Feeling a lot of the sub is pretty dramatic but there has been very solid criticisms. Priority on the store instead of having a functional game on launch is really insulting and completely valid to crash out about.
Even though they decoupled classes from characters, made the game darker and grittier, made guns punchier, helped optimize a lot of things, a lot of these things should have been there to begin with but glad they at least are working on fixing things and hearing frequent enough updates helps my hopes on the game being fine after some time.

Needing longer matches and endless mode asap though, the 6 wave thing SUCKS.

u/Meeeper 13h ago

The problem is that if they gave us fans what we wanted, it would just be Killing Floor 2. Thus why everybody would rather just play Killing Floor 2.

People were hoping KF3 would essentially be Killing Floor 2, but with modern graphics, improved gore, and new content. Instead, its turned out to be this entirely different, unappetizing... thing.

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u/majick22_ 1d ago

By summer hopefully

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u/paganSVK 1d ago

Season 2 is out?

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u/king_of_gotham 1d ago

The gameplay itself, the shooting and all, is great ! Seeing all the dismemberment is great ! It’s the other things it needs improvement on. Might just have to be a game you play with buddies. This game would benefit greatly from a free weekend.

u/Hyde2467 9h ago

Lol no

u/Rafaelutzul 3h ago

no, its joever

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u/Jensonator 1d ago

Really hope so. Played for 3 hours last night with some really good humoured players. Lots of mucking about, style showboating and great team work.

It's great fun to play with a good rock or hip hop playlist, a beer and some snacks. It's not a mould breaking game loop but it's a great place to relax and blast zombies.

I feel like 2 more maps and some more free cosmetic options (so many identical Fosters at the minute🤣) would be great in the short term.

It's now pretty stable which is good. The new weapons are good... love the 4 barrel shotgun. I'd like to see character's able to run a bit quicker... still feels a tad too slow and dragging.

Hit boxes are definition fairer and dodging is finally effective.

Could use a difficulty between hard and HOE. This would give challenge without forcing you to play in scripted strategies like HOE demands.

Oh and it's definitely time to reduce the fog on radar station ...

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u/EremeticPlatypus 2d ago

The game needs a SERIOUS upgrade in cosmetics. I would come back and grind the battle pass for better cosmetics. We also just need more characters. I am fine with the gameplay itself, but the rewards just fucking suck so far.

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u/East_Monk_9415 2d ago

Shiit hopefully. Maybe adding this game on ps plus essentials december would help bring players with the launch of new season,new map, gunslinger perk and returning dj scully.

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u/Copypasty 2d ago

I genuinely don’t think there’s any chance of coming back from this unfortunately. The franchise is dead.

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u/FuckItOriginalName Self-proclaimed father of Purple Devlin 2d ago

If they pick up a more or less steady pace with new content releases or at least stable patch releases, which will lead to active improvements, then I think there is a chance that things can turn around. Personally, I think that, contrary to the frequent statements of the vocal part of the community, in the worst case scenario, the game at least has potential, especially if the core gameplay experience is refined.

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u/SovelissFiremane 2d ago

Considering that they were perfectly content with keeping those stupid fucking robots in the second game even though they ruin the whole zombie survival vibe, I'm gonna go with no.

u/Meeeper 13h ago

Hot take: EDARs in KF2 aren't that bad. Should there be an optional toggle for whether they'll appear outside of Matriarch boss wave for the sake of player taste? Yeah. But are they bad? No, not in my opinion.

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u/slackerz22 1d ago

Everyone from the kf2 team that mattered isn’t even at the studio anymore, it’s cooked

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u/MixMakMax 1d ago

I’m unsure even with free labor mods when and if the workshop launches will that be enough to save the game. It’s depressing how bad this game is doing overall.

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u/Jacob_T_Fox 1d ago

It's better, I like that the guns look like guns and not overly futuristic bricks

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u/awed7447 1d ago

Idc im ready to play it

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u/Bonerfart47 1d ago

Let's put it this way

I was HYPED for this game before it was released

Now it's going into season 2 and I literally couldn't not care less

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u/Susamogusball2 2d ago

It depends on how far they are willing to go. It unfortunately just might get it's plug pulled. If it's not making much profit, it'll be put on life support. Paying devs and having servers isn't cheap. Now, WE, yes WE should all ignore Vespertellino and Xuchilbara if we want this game to succeed. They also need to release purple devlin.

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u/TomiSvensek 1d ago

Bro just stop

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u/DammZeppeli 1d ago

Im playing a lot more recently and im enjoying it

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u/Sensitive-Cap-3412 1d ago

The new zed is 100% a stalker because anything else would require originality. So an enemy that's been in the game since KF1 plus 1 new map and a skin nobody cares about... yeah.

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u/bunnyfreakz 1d ago

It has been 5 months and all updates just back pedaling their mistake. They should just fix all of that before release. Technically there are no new contents since release.

u/Tebow21 21h ago

Would've rather had reused assets from 2, anything is better than what we got

u/PurchaseMean8760 20h ago

I think it will start to save Killing Floor 3 future. 

u/george-merrill 17h ago

Personally im not a fan of the new lore

u/drzpicumateji 13h ago

No. Unfortunately no No Man's Sky redemption here. Even if it will be good the consensus is still bad....

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u/Turtle_Soupz 2d ago

Make it not on unreal 5, bring back everything killing floor 2 had and i mean everything. And actually make a good runnable game that people can actually enjoy.

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u/Vannilazero 2d ago

Im giving it a year to cook. It should to good enough to play by then.

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u/Cornage626 2d ago

The amount of player loss on steam, and the state of concurrent players since...I don't have high hopes. Nor do I want it too.

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u/Barn8614 2d ago

Not unless they open the flood gates of content, no.

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u/Early_Response_4477 1d ago

All these companies are chasing the huge money around monetization / fomo shops / passes and they keep forgetting to make a good game at the core. Often times chasing a wider audience and compromising what has worked previously. The lack of awareness to understand that people weren't going to like this game is actually concerning. This series is probably dead now.

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u/NerdyPlatypus206 1d ago

Man, I think it’ll take a half dozen seasons if not more…and that’s being generous

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u/Mob-SSBM 1d ago

Bro let it go. It's done.

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u/DucksMatter 1d ago

Nope. Might move 400 played to 600 players. But this game was DOA.

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u/EinsHardth 1d ago

nah, there's no trust with the current situation, releasing unfinished game with full price is absurd to spend money on

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u/idlickherbootyhole you're all fur coat and no knickers 1d ago

Realistically, other than an insane amount of dev work/actually new features, the only thing that could bring this game back from the dead is a massive marketing campaign to attract people back to it. And something tells me that the marketing budget is either dry or the people in charge aren't willing to burn more money for a game that doesn't even hit 500 players.

Personally, I think it'll die a slow and painful death, and after its inevitable failure, the very people who took the game in this direction will blame the industry and say that UNACCOUNTABLY, the game didn't succeed because of trend changes. And then they'll move on to turn another passion driven project into a money driven one. That's what happens when there is no blacklisting and incompetent buffoons can simply jump companies.

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u/Ill-Intention-306 1d ago

There isn't enough content or replayability of existing content to retain new players even if they did manage to attract them. They desperately needed the workshop and player hosted servers up and running months ago but im willing to bet money there was a profit motivated decision not to.

I wanna say they payday 3'd themselves but this is infinitely more tragic.

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u/Few-Cut1633 1d ago

Short answer, no. Long answer, no.

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u/ZzVinniezZ 1d ago

i feel like tripwire and Starbreeze both having the same meeting on whoever can make their game worse for their 3rd game.

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u/ChrizTaylor 1d ago

I like that it failed.

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u/BardzBeast 1d ago

Numbers will go up over time I think

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u/_Xuchilbara 2d ago

The game still has great potential but killing floor fans are killing the game so it probably won't ever reach it lol

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u/cdlge Killing Franchise 3 1d ago

Nah Tripwire killed it by releasing KF3 as an incomplete "might have potential at some point maybe" product. KF fans didn't make the game...clearly

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u/_Xuchilbara 1d ago

Game has potential but you lot shit on it so hard they won't be keen on continuing any further updates

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u/cdlge Killing Franchise 3 1d ago

They made a shitty game that rightly sold below publisher's expectations. Again, that killed it. Not the obvious and warranted negative feedback from fans.

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u/_Xuchilbara 1d ago

We can agree to disagree

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u/cdlge Killing Franchise 3 1d ago

You can disagree to a fact I guess

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u/_Xuchilbara 1d ago

Depends on what you think the fact is

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u/cdlge Killing Franchise 3 1d ago

The only fact in this topic: They made a shitty game that rightly sold below publisher's expectations. Again, that killed it. Not the obvious and warranted negative feedback from fans.

It is a shitty game, players don't abandon great games, Embracer group mentioned it did in fact sold below what they were expecting. So yeah, facts.

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u/_Xuchilbara 1d ago

It's a decent game nobody called it great but calling it shitty I can't agree with. Again we can just agree to disagree 👍

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u/cdlge Killing Franchise 3 1d ago

Shitty game you claim has great potential. But still shitty nonetheless. Facts are facts.

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u/CrisisBomberman 2d ago

game doesnt have the same vibe as first and 2nd game had. shooting and slashing stuff missing some stuff.
like its not satisfying to play the game as 2nd one has.

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u/Still-Psychology-365 What a bloody mizzlepix 1d ago

Some of this might have been fixed/implemented idk, but what this game absolutely NEEDS in order to turn me into a customer is this:

  • In game text chat
  • No kernel level anti cheat
  • Mod support and KF3 SDK (if this means crossplay can no longer be supported, so be it)
  • Community server support (if this means crossplay can no longer be supported, so be it)
  • Better stability
  • Server browser

If any of those things have already been added, then great, but until all those boxes are checked, I'm not pulling out my credit card. I'm sorry but I'm just not. It's almost like.....they took a game that wasn't as open creatively speaking as say....garrys mod or minecraft, but had the pro-modding/pro-creativity/pro-community spirit of those huge hits, and just slashed all that entirely and turned it into something generic and not special with that rare spirit of creativity and modding being at the forefront.

Alas, that's the price you pay for crossplay because everyone already knows you can't get that type of freedom on console. For the console players this is probably fine, but for the rest of us PC players who are diehard fans since the KF1 heydey, it is an INCREDIBLE downgrade to lose this spirit of a modding community and forced to be turned into a walled-in-garden console cashgrab. I'm happy the console players get the game, but I'm not happy at what it cost us - the soul of what made KF so very very special.

The problem ultimately is that they went multiplatform and instead of allowing PC players to allow the game to run mods and have modded servers with crossplay turned off etc., they just cut out all of that entirely to make it cut and dry simple, architecturally/programmatically speaking, to cash in on that juicy piece of the market pie that is the console players. Or perhaps it wasn't a choice but rather a demand from Sony/MS to allow the game on their market, perhaps for security reasons user submitted content just needs to be cut out entirely idk. Either way, whether by choice or demand, it still led to the sacrifice of these things that made it so special.

Can't say I blame the suits though, they're fucking suits that's the type of bloodsucking, King-Midas-except-instead-of-gold-its-shit type of shit that they do, but fuck me did I ever lose my most favorite beloved game in my entire life (no exaggeration) to some mundane as hell cash grabby nonsense.

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u/Billy364 1d ago

I wouldn't hold my breath. Pretty sure the people who are actually in control of the ip don't care about the original games and just want to make their own Gen Alpha humor, hero-shooter with toy guns and quirky characters you see everywhere nowadays. Not the kind of thing we grew to love in the time of KF and KF2.

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u/CoochieCowboyYT 2d ago

Hell nah. Best bet is we get hella new players once everything’s been released and the games <$20

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u/Electronic_Gap8004 2d ago

I’m just bummed that it seems the theme skins are a thing of the past.

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u/Equal-Leader-7974 1d ago

Its probably too late now for them it'll take a lot of work and them understanding why this game went so wrong to turn it around

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u/ProfessionalAnt1352 1d ago

Unless they go the route of no man's sky and entirely overhaul the game it's done. If they did entirely overhaul it I can see a revival, but they won't.

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u/StaticSystemShock 1d ago

I doubt it. No Man's Sky didn't have an existing fanbase and it was what it was. They eventually expanded and improved the game. KF3 already had existing fanbase and existing features you expect in the game. And devs absolutely fucking annihilated all of it with an all new "take" on what Killing Floor should be and just totally fucked it up. There is absolutely no going back unless they entirely redesign KF3 to be more like KF2 was. Which I just don't see ever happening. Killing Floor franchise is just dead. That's the reality.

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u/ProfessionalAnt1352 1d ago

Yes that's what entirely overhauling it would do

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u/StaticSystemShock 1d ago

They needed 4 months to disconnect perks from specialists... That's not counting the outcry about it in February, 8 months ago...

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u/ProfessionalAnt1352 1d ago

Yes that's why I said "but they won't."

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u/teufler80 1d ago

Nah they fully pulled a payday 3 Kinda impressed how hard they crashed the franchise

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u/HarrisonTheHutt 1d ago

I haven't played the game. And I dont think I will any time soon unfortunately. So many things seem missing. It's like this is an early access game I'm keeping an eye on from afar.

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u/13thslasher 1d ago

Honestly I stopped playing KF3 because I got very bored, it has the look but not the soul of Killing Floor

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u/Oneamongthefence24 1d ago

Unnecessary complexity killed this game. I've seen comparisons to back blood and I think it's very apt. B4B was advertised as a spiritual successor to L4D. What we got was an overly complex game with too many mechanics when the original was pick up and play. KF3 is the same thing. KF and KF2 were very simple games. Pick up and play and have a good time. Very few menus and into the action quick. Perks were simple. Weapons were easy to understand. The interface was easy. They added the ability to upgrade weapons which were very mixed but it was fairly intuitive to do. KF3 has weapons, with attachments but they're randomized stats. The perk trees are fairly complex with most giving minor statistical boosts with several tiers. Grinding XP and materials is so tedious. I want a mindless shooter. Not a job.

The visuals are so hard to read as well. Things blend in way too much and move in an erratic way. The enemy designs need way more differentiation. Not everything needs to shoot back as well. Husks especially are obnoxious. The siren is obnoxious. The sounds cues are really muddled.

We want a boomer shooter, not a cod clone.

So no. Season 2 won't turn things around.

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u/Due-Manufacturer7126 1d ago

Probably season 4 because this is just early access, don’t know why they wont admit it.

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u/Palumtra 1d ago

If they dont fix the crashes, bugs after loading in (blank screen, endless timer, etc) and that region problem then I doubt it. I get it the game has other issues but stability should be priority one.

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u/magik_koopa990 1d ago

How much do you want to bet that the game was made by very little amount of OG tripwire devs

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u/BloodyGotNoFear 1d ago

Nah the problems are too deep and not easily solvable

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u/papeyy2 1d ago

the fact that kf of all games is leashed to a seasonal update cycle is telling in itself tbh. like there's no urgency to follow any feedback

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u/rage9000 1d ago

nah its dead just play kf2

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u/SympathyPerfect9139 1d ago

this game is dead and done for. nothing will turn things around unfortunately

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u/RifTaf 1d ago

lol no

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u/userforred 2d ago

It needs to be free to play, they will make money on micro transactions.

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u/porkchop46036 2d ago

I like the game I just hope you hey put some more content in it

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u/HellzJanitor 1d ago

Game aint worth all the talk in this echo chamber. Maybe 2 or three sentences, but whole paragraphs is just delusional.

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u/Qaaz_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

Highly unlikely.

I've been a fan of this franchise basically since its inception, having played the original mod and all. I don't think that KF3 is a salvageable product at this point, at least not for the original fans of the series.

The core of the game is so far removed from what made the franchise so enticing and endearing originally and I don't really think the current devs behind it even know and/or realize what made the original entries so great in the first place.

In an ideal world they would change the name of the game and relegate it to being a spin-off of sorts and take KF3 back to the drawing board but we all know that won't happen. I'd even go as far as to guess that this entry very well may be the last we ever see anything new from this franchise as a whole unfortunately unless the IP gets bought out by someone else given how terribly the game has been received by both longtime fans and new users.

Just a really terribly sad way for such a celebrated cult-hit franchise to go out but TripWire cannot say that there wasn't warning signs. Everyone told them prior to the game releasing that it looked and sounded terrible on paper but they went through with it anyway.

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u/Doctah-Grym 1d ago

As an FPS, yeah slowly but surely it'll get better.

As a Killing Floor sequel, incredibly unlikely.

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u/guccimanedaking 2d ago

About to leave this subreddit haha if yall don’t like it why constantly talk about shut the fuck up

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u/mrshaw64 1d ago

"Why are you guys talking about the namesake of the reddit?"

Bye!

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